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Old 16th August 2019, 05:22 AM   #41
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Originally Posted by CORed View Post
Country of origin labeling is required in the US. Has been since 1960, IIRC.
Yes but no such is required in Europe for imports from other disputed territories, with much worse abuses. The abnormal fixation on this particular area is the smoke.
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Old 16th August 2019, 06:48 AM   #42
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
You can say that about every freaking country in the Mideast...but the left loves to single out Isreal. Not that Israel policies do not deserve criticism ..they often do...but I don't like Double standards.


Still want to know what happens to the Six plus million Jews living in Israel when the "Zionist Enitty" is eliminated...something the Left always try to dodge.
I could point out that the hard line anti Zionism prevailent here just helps Bibi whom I despise... to say in power and undermines his opponents. but I doubt that will do any good.
So, all countries in the middle east suspected of possessing or developing nuclear weapons should be hit with sanctions like Iran's?
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Old 16th August 2019, 07:46 AM   #43
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Originally Posted by Lukraak_Sisser View Post
So, all countries in the middle east suspected of possessing or developing nuclear weapons should be hit with sanctions like Iran's?
Itís not just possessing (or attempting to possess) nukes. Itís the behavior of the state in question. Places like Israel, France etc are seen as pretty responsible custodians. Iran has gone out of its way to sponsor terrorism, holocaust denial, inflammatory language (ďIsrael will be erased from historyĒ)
That kind of behavior makes folks nervous about Iran having the bomb... and thatís down to Iran.
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Old 16th August 2019, 08:16 AM   #44
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Originally Posted by Beerina View Post
Yes but no such is required in Europe for imports from other disputed territories, with much worse abuses. The abnormal fixation on this particular area is the smoke.
Such as?
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Old 18th August 2019, 12:02 AM   #45
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Originally Posted by webfusion View Post
Not "all" Israeli products.
Just those from areas that were liberated from Syrian and Jordanian occupations.
Funny, I don't recall the Golan heights ever being part of Palestine or Israel prior to the Israeli attack in 1967.
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Old 18th August 2019, 12:12 AM   #46
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Originally Posted by Lukraak_Sisser View Post
So, all countries in the middle east suspected of possessing or developing nuclear weapons should be hit with sanctions like Iran's?

Indeed, it seems like the right "loves to single out Isreal" too - for preferential treatment.
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Old 18th August 2019, 04:16 AM   #47
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Originally Posted by Giz View Post
Itís not just possessing (or attempting to possess) nukes. Itís the behavior of the state in question. Places like Israel, France etc are seen as pretty responsible custodians. Iran has gone out of its way to sponsor terrorism, holocaust denial, inflammatory language (ďIsrael will be erased from historyĒ)
That kind of behavior makes folks nervous about Iran having the bomb... and thatís down to Iran.
The behaviour of Israel is highly questionable in many regards. That they are seen in your eyes as responsible custodians just shows your double standards.
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Old 18th August 2019, 03:08 PM   #48
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Originally Posted by Archie Gemmill Goal View Post
The behaviour of Israel is highly questionable in many regards. That they are seen in your eyes as responsible custodians just shows your double standards.
Sigh.

Ok, baby steps here:

1) Israel does do some bad stuff (settlements etc). It doesnít do as much as itís neighbors, itís by far the best behaved Mideast state.

2) the bad stuff that Israel does is not stuff that makes [sane] people worry about them being trigger happy with nukes. The bad stuff that Iran does, is the kind of behavior that makes people wonder if they will be responsible custodians.
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Old 18th August 2019, 11:15 PM   #49
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Originally Posted by Giz View Post
1) Israel does do some bad stuff (settlements etc). It doesnít do as much as itís neighbors, itís by far the best behaved Mideast state.

Some bad stuff doesn't concern us. We are not the victims. Its neighbors are.

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2) the bad stuff that Israel does is not stuff that makes [sane] people worry about them being trigger happy with nukes. The bad stuff that Iran does, is the kind of behavior that makes people wonder if they will be responsible custodians.

So far, the bad stuff that Israel does didn't require nukes, which kind of proves how nice they are. The bad stuff that other countries in the region do might threaten our interests, so they are the ones to worry about even when they don't have nukes.

Much like us, actually: We have plenty of nukes, everybody knows that we do and that we could use them if we found reason to do so (We did a long time ago!), but since we don't usually do so, all our conventional wars just prove how basically decent we are.
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Old 18th August 2019, 11:49 PM   #50
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Originally Posted by Giz View Post
Sigh.

Ok, baby steps here:

1) Israel does do some bad stuff (settlements etc). It doesnít do as much as itís neighbors, itís by far the best behaved Mideast state.

2) the bad stuff that Israel does is not stuff that makes [sane] people worry about them being trigger happy with nukes. The bad stuff that Iran does, is the kind of behavior that makes people wonder if they will be responsible custodians.
2 assertions without evidence. Great stuff. Both of them are wrong.

Just be honest and say that Israel is considered an ally and therefore we dont mind what they do, while Iran isn't.
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Old 19th August 2019, 02:01 AM   #51
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Originally Posted by Archie Gemmill Goal View Post
Just be honest and say that Israel is considered an ally and therefore we dont mind what they do, while Iran isn't.

c.f. Saudi Arabia.
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Old 19th August 2019, 02:28 AM   #52
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Originally Posted by Wudang View Post
c.f. Saudi Arabia.
Another country that there are calls to boycott. That's probably anti-semitism too, right?
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I was thinking more of SA's contributions to the lack of stability in the area and its general support of Wahabist groups but that was well.
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Why would anyone want to buy products that were made in an apartheid state?
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Originally Posted by Lambchops View Post
Why would anyone want to buy products that were made in an apartheid state?
You could ask Thatcher[1], she continually refused to impose sanctions on apartheid South Africa back in the eighties, when most of the world avoiding engaging with the racist state. She referred to her policy as "constructive engagement".


[1] This might be complicated by her being dead.
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Why would anyone want to buy products that were made in an apartheid state?
Well Israel did a lot of business and military support of apartheid south africa. We should ask them.
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Ask the city of Detroit, while you're at it, run by Democrats, African American at that, and they bought iron railings from SA for their People Mover.
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News story from last month about Canadian court ruling that wine from the West Bank can't be labelled as a product of Israel that relates to this topic:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/wes...ourt-1.5229202

Let's say a food product comes from Crimea, and is labelled "product of Russia". If someone protested that that label was misleading, and that consumers should have accurate information, I'd be sympathetic to that view. Or Indian products from Kashmir. Regardless of my personal views, I want those who agree or disagree to get information. In the Crimean example it would not be saying all Russian products need to be marked as coming from disputed territory, only those from Crimea. And if the products from Crimea said they were from Russia, then it would be appropriate to require warning labels on them.

Similarly OP's story wasn't about all Israeli products, but only those coming from certain areas that are disputed.
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Originally Posted by Archie Gemmill Goal View Post
Another country that there are calls to boycott. That's probably anti-semitism too, right?
Sure. Arabs are a semitic race. For reasons unknown, people forget that.
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