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Old Yesterday, 11:58 PM   #961
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Originally Posted by The Don View Post
The things he apparently likes about a Norway style solution is that they don't have to abide by all the rules and they have control over their fishing rights. We know this because he kept mentioning it.

The fact that he doesn't mention the four freedoms, claims (erroneously) that Norway's contributions go directly to poorer EU countries without Brussels being involved and doesn't mention the vast range of EU rules that Norway does have to abide by means that deliberately, or through ignorance, or a combination of both he is still promoting an "all the advantages and none of the responsibilities" relationship with the EU.
Of course this is deliberate, otherwise he'd clear his position to something more tangable by now. That doesn't mean we shouldn't use every opportunity we're given to support a feather Brexit using direct quotes of Nigel Farage.

Irony is my favorite type of humor. If it's also useful in humiliating someone, be it Farage or a wannabe Brexiteer 'pundit', then even better.

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Also, those comments were made a couple of years ago, the equivalent to several lifetimes ago in human years.
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Old Today, 12:43 AM   #962
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
So will the Brexit Party and LibDem MEP's have to forfeit their comfortable salaries and expenses?

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Originally Posted by McHrozni View Post
If they pay for their own healthcare?



Sure, why not?



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Because they won't be able to afford it.
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Old Today, 02:02 AM   #964
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Because they won't be able to afford it.
I'm sure that in the eyes of Boris Johnson, Jacob Rees-Mogg and the other exceptionally well-heeled Brexit supporters, the inability of most ex-pats to suddenly be able to afford to pay hundreds or even thousands of euro a month for private healthcare is a regrettable oversight on their part and an unfortunate side-effect of their being unable to build up a multi-million euro retirement nest-egg.
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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
And here people said there were no check points on the Irish border. Or is this yet another "The Irish don't count as being EU members" thing?
The Irish count as British in legal terms - and vice versa - for almost a century. The issue isn't Irish citizens, but other EU citizens in Ireland.
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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
Yep Boris is pulling a Blazing Saddles holding a gun to the head of the country and saying "do what we want or the limies get it!"
Yep, as the EU stands watching him walk backwards to the cliff edge....
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
It should do. All passports are scanned at the UK border for everybody who comes and goes.
No they aren't. You may have missed this as it is really obscure and no one really mentions it but there is a border between the UK and Ireland on the island of Ireland that allows free travel with no border checks of any kind.
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Originally Posted by The Don View Post
Why single out the LibDems ?
Especially since they got there campaigning to stay in the EU.
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I think it also just shows the utter contempt England still has for Ireland in some areas of the political spectrum. They will take a massive risk in Ireland for the sake having complete control over what is left of their Empire. MEGA.
Wait... what?!
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Originally Posted by Information Analyst View Post
Wait... what?!
It seems that almost all of the impetus for Brexit is coming from politicians who are English, the concerns relate to England and the attitudes expressed towards Ireland are English rather than British.
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Originally Posted by The Don View Post
It seems that almost all of the impetus for Brexit is coming from politicians who are English, the concerns relate to England and the attitudes expressed towards Ireland are English rather than British.
To be fair, Wales seems to have been as much pro-Brexit as England.

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Originally Posted by Information Analyst View Post
The Irish count as British in legal terms - and vice versa - for almost a century. The issue isn't Irish citizens, but other EU citizens in Ireland.
Except of course that the border is an EU border and needs to be treated as an EU border like with France. As for how tenable that is with them not being in the EU time will tell, America had issues only letting Visa free travel for some of the EU nations and not all.
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Originally Posted by Dave Rogers View Post
To be fair, Wales seems to have been as much pro-Brexit as England.

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In terms of the referendum result, you're right, but the prime movers behind the Brexit movement are overwhelmingly English and the patronising attitude adopted by Conservative politicians towards the Irish seems peculiarly English to me.
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Originally Posted by The Don View Post
It seems that almost all of the impetus for Brexit is coming from politicians who are English, the concerns relate to England and the attitudes expressed towards Ireland are English rather than British.
Don't forget* the Secretary for the No deal Brexit; Michael Gove.


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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
Except of course that the border is an EU border and needs to be treated as an EU border like with France. As for how tenable that is with them not being in the EU time will tell, America had issues only letting Visa free travel for some of the EU nations and not all.
You seem to have completely missed the point of why you were wrong in referring to, "The Irish don't count as being EU members." The reality is that the Irish enjoy a special status in the UK that other EU citizens don't. In fact, in that context it's more the case that, "the Irish count as being more than EU members."
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Originally Posted by Information Analyst View Post
You seem to have completely missed the point in why you were wrong in referring to "The Irish don't count as being EU members." The reality is that the Irish enjoy a special status in the UK that other EU citizens don't. In fact, in that context it's more the case that "the Irish count for being more than EU members."
And that is a somewhat problematic thing for the EU to agree to. But why should those laws be any safer than all the ones about open borders that the vote was against? How separable are individual nations with regards to deals with other nations from the EU as a whole?
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I think it also just shows the utter contempt England still has for Ireland in some areas of the political spectrum. They will take a massive risk in Ireland for the sake having complete control over what is left of their Empire. MEGA.
Taking Ireland for granted will end badly for the UK. Ireland is an EU nation and will have EU backing if a non-EU nation tries to put political/economic pressure on them. Ireland is also a fairly wealthy country at this point with per capital GDP close to double that of the UK. That could grow even further post Brexit as itís a possible landing spot for many of the financial services likely to leave the UK post Brexit.
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Taking Ireland for granted will end badly for the UK. Ireland is an EU nation and will have EU backing if a non-EU nation tries to put political/economic pressure on them. Ireland is also a fairly wealthy country at this point with per capital GDP close to double that of the UK. That could grow even further post Brexit as itís a possible landing spot for many of the financial services likely to leave the UK post Brexit.
I was surprised by that bit and so had a quick look - and I should never have doubted lomiller

2018 Ireland per capita GDP: $75k (up over 10% on previous year)
2018 UK per capita GDP: $42k (up over 5% on previous year)

Source: http://statisticstimes.com/economy/e...per-capita.php

Those increases seem awfully high in both cases given the modest total GDP growth in the year.
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Has DUP had anything to say on the current course of action?
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No they aren't. You may have missed this as it is really obscure and no one really mentions it but there is a border between the UK and Ireland on the island of Ireland that allows free travel with no border checks of any kind.
I drove over it a few weeks ago by mistake.
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Originally Posted by The Don View Post
I was surprised by that bit and so had a quick look - and I should never have doubted lomiller

2018 Ireland per capita GDP: $75k (up over 10% on previous year)
2018 UK per capita GDP: $42k (up over 5% on previous year)

Source: http://statisticstimes.com/economy/e...per-capita.php

Those increases seem awfully high in both cases given the modest total GDP growth in the year.
We're also happier, freer, less violent, live longer, enjoy a freer press and less inequality and have higher Social Progress and Human Development Indices. Feel free to visit sometime.
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Those increases seem awfully high in both cases given the modest total GDP growth in the year.
Itís being reported in USD so currency value can add year to year volatility.
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We're also happier, freer, less violent, live longer, enjoy a freer press and less inequality and have higher Social Progress and Human Development Indices. Feel free to visit sometime.
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Income in Ireland is high, but taxes and other costs of living are also high. In terms of disposable income, they don't do so well.

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/tgm/ta...pcode=tec00113

Latest year available at that site seems to be 2017 for most countries. Ireland was still trailing the UK in average disposable income terms then. Maybe they've passed us since then due to slump in the value of the pound?
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Mercosur has freedom of movement. ASEAN is working towards it.

You havent explained why any of the things you complained about are bad things though.

All you seem to have highlighted is that the EU has been more successful than others in integrating more fully. This would be a positive thing.

ETA: Mercosur has a court as well. Having been shown to be wrong again ceptimus will now bluster, change topic, disappear for a couple of days and then come back to be completely wrong about something else.
Is that million dollar challenge still going?
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Income in Ireland is high, but taxes and other costs of living are also high. In terms of disposable income, they don't do so well.

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/tgm/ta...pcode=tec00113
Adjusting for purchasing power tells a different story. Purchasing power adjusted OECD numbers for median disposable income has Ireland at $25.4K and the UK at $22.6K.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dispos..._income#Median

Ireland is still quite a bit behind countries like The US, Australia or Canada but it’s ahead of the UK.
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That old joke about a airliners about to land at Belfast Airport.

"Welcome to Ulster.Please set your watch back 300 years."

I wonder how they deal with the fact that the new Tory Leader in the House of Commons is a Papist.,
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Income in Ireland is high, but taxes and other costs of living are also high. In terms of disposable income, they don't do so well.

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/tgm/ta...pcode=tec00113

Latest year available at that site seems to be 2017 for most countries. Ireland was still trailing the UK in average disposable income terms then. Maybe they've passed us since then due to slump in the value of the pound?

I knew out resident Bresiter would turn on Ireland.....after all, they are bunch of croppies, not real Englishmen.
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I ran into someone today who espoused not only the 'its all scaremongering' line about potential economic catastrophe of Brexit but also trotted out 'we were fine before we went in' Leaving aside the fact that was 40 years ago before we had integrated our economy with the EU there's the not so small point that the UK was anything but fine in the 1970's. The three day week, industrial unrest, economic depression, heck we even had to be bailed by the IMF in 1976. It's amazing how even people who are old enough to remember all of that seem to have filtered it out and all recall is the Bay City Rollers and one particularly warm summer.
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And it rains.
It's doing so at the moment. However Worldcon had generally excellent weather.
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Really? I've entered and left the UK without a passport.
Hell, I did it 4 times the weekend before last. I don't know where Vixen gets these notions.
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That old joke about a airliners about to land at Belfast Airport.

"Welcome to Ulster.Please set your watch back 300 years."

I wonder how they deal with the fact that the new Tory Leader in the House of Commons is a Papist.,
Well, the DUP have first class minds in one respect

Principles are so... restrictive.
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They must have some opinion on what should happen with the border now that Boris is committed to no deal.
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After Johnson suggested he had been quite clear about his “alternative arrangements” to the backstop so loathed by Brexiteers, he was gently corrected by Merkel.
“Britain should tell us what sort of ideas it has because it is not a core task of a German chancellor to understand the relationship between Northern Ireland and the Irish Republic in such detail . . . though I have learned a lot about this,” she said.

Just for the slow learners here Boris, maybe you could spell it out again.

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Elroy Cahill, who works as a head teacher in London school, tweeted: “(They) told me they ‘couldn’t wait for Boris and Brexit Party to make Brexit happen and send me and my lot back to f***ing Ireland,” he wrote.
“Told me to tell my lot to stop trying to stop Brexit with their f***ing border’... have never ever felt so shocked or unwelcome in this country! How has this kind of abuse become acceptable?”

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