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Old 7th December 2018, 08:53 AM   #1441
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Originally Posted by Crawtator View Post
The amount of pure assertions made in that "paper" makes me classify it as fiction instead of real science. Even the tone in the "paper" is off-putting, possibly more than the terrible science that is involved.
The science isn't terrible, it's nonexistent.

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Old 7th December 2018, 09:16 AM   #1442
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Well, this "paper" is much better (?) than the others he has linked in this thread for one reason...

It does contain an actual source of information: the geologic map of Alaska from the US Geological Survey. That alone makes it closer to a real paper than the others.

However, he then distorts that information to try and backup up the lunacy that is his theory. Even reading his assertions about the relevancy makes me nauseous. But at least this paper had a link to an outside source. I believe that is the first outside source he has linked in a paper in the last year.
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Old 7th December 2018, 10:15 AM   #1443
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Originally Posted by Crawtator View Post
backup up the lunacy that is his theory.


Earth is an ancient star.

All the stars in the night sky are possible young Earth's given the conditions for evolution are met. I have outlined it in the book here:

http://vixra.org/pdf/1711.0206v4.pdf

This means we can see Earth's past history by studying stars that are hotter and more massive. They are right there, in literally all astronomical observations.

Planet=star. They are the same objects, and always have been. Delineating the two is like saying human babies and adults are different species of human. The mainstream's beliefs do not make any sense.
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Old 7th December 2018, 11:10 AM   #1444
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Originally Posted by jeffreyw View Post
You don't understand the theory then.

Here is a paper for clarification. http://vixra.org/pdf/1811.0398v1.pdf

It is called, "How to Destroy Dead Stars So They Can Be Recycled".

I see what you are saying though, it is moot. Even if the object ended up the size of a jawbreaker it would be recycled. Stars are recycled down to the last atom. So using your logic, yes, there are atoms floating about that are the separated remains of an entire star, in which case, of course there are. That's what the universe does, it breaks stars apart and recycles them, why not recycle them all the way to the atomic level (which they do).

No, you don't see what I'm saying at all. It seems there is no point in trying again to explain myself.

I felt obliged to read your link, although I knew ahead of time it would just be another collection of unsupported assertions. Your original idea was based on the assumption that a superficial similarity between two diagrams implied they are two stages of stellar evolution. Everything you wrote subsequently is based on this not-even-wrong assumption, so all that followed was necessarily wrong; GIGO.
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Old 7th December 2018, 12:34 PM   #1445
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Using the word "science " gives it way to much credence. He deals in fantasy only.
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This thread is another example of blatant spamming of unscientific nonsense, along with the electric comet thread. Neither of the main spammers are interested in discussing the obvious failures of their models. IMHO ISF should rethink its rules re allowing this sort of junk to be spammed.
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We should allow the free exchange of ideas.

Even those of Jeffreyw
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Old 9th December 2018, 09:55 AM   #1448
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Originally Posted by bobdroege7 View Post
We should allow the free exchange of ideas.

Even those of Jeffreyw
His delusions should be shared freely, just not in this subforum. CT would be a better fit.
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Thumbs down Spams his deluded and lying cartoon and delusions yet again

Originally Posted by jeffreyw View Post
Earth is an ancient star.
10 December 2018 jeffreyw: Spams his deluded and lying cartoon and delusions yet again.

27 September 2018 jeffreyw: His insane and lying cartoon, e.g. a 70 million year old Sun, 10 billon year old Earth, moons older than the universe, etc.!

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You don't understand the theory then.
10 December 2018 jeffreyw: An obvious "You don't understand the theory then" lie.

He has no theory. High school students understand how insanely ignorant his delusions are. Stars are massive amounts of hydrogen, helium and trace elements with essentially no elements heavier than iron. Rocky planets are small amounts of not hydrogen, helium and trace elements and do have plenty of elements heavier than iron !
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Here is a paper for clarification.
10 December 2018 jeffreyw: An insanely deluded "How to Destroy Dead Stars So They Can Be Recycled" PDF

Starts with his usual insanity that planets are dead stars.
Stupidity of science by cartoons.
Stupidity of planets magically colliding with each other as he did not know any orbital mechanics !
Usual dogma insanity.
Insane ignorance of terrestrial geology.
Insane delusion that Alaska has always looked like modern Alaska + idiotic fantasies about "accretion".
Insane delusions and lies about the rock and ice moon Callisto.
Insane delusion that the hydrogen in Callisto's "rocks and minerals" would escape into space. He has never heard of molecules containing hydrogen !
An insane lie that the ~800,000 catalogued small bodies will all collide.
Insanity of comparing ~800,000 catalogued small bodies to the "200,000,000,000" stars in the Milky Way. The Solar System contains trillions of small objects with asteroids outnumbered by over a 1000 to 1 by comets made of ices and dust.
The fundamental insanity of a need to "recycle".
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10 December 2018 jeffreyw: An obvious "You don't understand the theory then" lie.

10 December 2018 jeffreyw: An insanely deluded "How to Destroy Dead Stars So They Can Be Recycled" PDF
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Could there be anywhere more full of cranks than Graham Hancock's forum?

http://grahamhancock.com/phorum/list.php?3

Guess what happened, even on there, to Jeffrey's long running lunacy?

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From Science & Space to Paranormal & Supernatural

This Topic has been moved to the more relevant Paranormal & Supernatural Forum.

Please refer to the GHMB Rules of Engagement; specifically, ”Messages should be appropriate and relevant to the board on which they are posted. This includes a restriction on severe “hobby horsing” a single topic again and again.
Paranormal & Supernatural: For discussions of everything that might be classed as ‘paranormal‘ – i.e. not currently accepted by our modern scientific paradigm.”
http://grahamhancock.com/phorum/read...13#msg-1183813

Lol.
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Old 29th March 2019, 10:01 AM   #1455
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Originally Posted by jonesdave116 View Post
Could there be anywhere more full of cranks than Graham Hancock's forum?

http://grahamhancock.com/phorum/list.php?3

Guess what happened, even on there, to Jeffrey's long running lunacy?



http://grahamhancock.com/phorum/read...13#msg-1183813

Lol.
It has been getting more views because of it as well. So far the book has 1,180 Unique I.p. downloads. I'd say that's pretty good. That specific thread has over 9,000 views, so it was massively successful, given the circumstances.

This newer paper is drawing similarities between Locard's Exchange Principle and hydrogen during stellar evolution (planet formation).

http://vixra.org/pdf/1903.0427v1.pdf

This paper is different. It draws up the need to use counter-deception with reference to the claims made by the academics, who have been deceived the entire time with false assumptions. It overviews simulation and dissimulation (showing the false/hiding the real) respectively. It is a technique used in magic tricks and being that this is the formerly James Randi forum, it should be quite familiar.

http://vixra.org/pdf/1903.0165v1.pdf
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Originally Posted by jeffreyw View Post
It has been getting more views because of it as well. So far the book has 1,180 Unique I.p. downloads. I'd say that's pretty good. That specific thread has over 9,000 views, so it was massively successful, given the circumstances.

This newer paper is drawing similarities between Locard's Exchange Principle and hydrogen during stellar evolution (planet formation).

http://vixra.org/pdf/1903.0427v1.pdf

This paper is different. It draws up the need to use counter-deception with reference to the claims made by the academics, who have been deceived the entire time with false assumptions. It overviews simulation and dissimulation (showing the false/hiding the real) respectively. It is a technique used in magic tricks and being that this is the formerly James Randi forum, it should be quite familiar.

http://vixra.org/pdf/1903.0165v1.pdf
Those are not papers. They are just a bunch of pseudoscientific nonsense dumped on vixra.
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Originally Posted by jeffreyw View Post
It has been getting more views because of it as well. So far the book has 1,180 Unique I.p. downloads. I'd say that's pretty good. That specific thread has over 9,000 views, so it was massively successful, given the circumstances.

This newer paper is drawing similarities between Locard's Exchange Principle and hydrogen during stellar evolution (planet formation).

http://vixra.org/pdf/1903.0427v1.pdf

This paper is different. It draws up the need to use counter-deception with reference to the claims made by the academics, who have been deceived the entire time with false assumptions. It overviews simulation and dissimulation (showing the false/hiding the real) respectively. It is a technique used in magic tricks and being that this is the formerly James Randi forum, it should be quite familiar.

http://vixra.org/pdf/1903.0165v1.pdf
So in spite of the latter assertions of self deception you still seem unwilling to accept that it is just simply you deceiving yourself. So much so that you now merely ascribe nature itself as the deceptor of everyone else.

Still no red giants on your chart, whose, apparently deliberate, deception is that?
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It has been getting more views ...
A "views" of his crank PDFs delusion.
People accidently coming across his delusions and either laughing at them or being appalled at their craziness does not make them less deluded.

1 April 2019: Locard's Exchange Principle (forensic science) insanity.

1 April 2019: Paranoid ranting, lies and actual insanity about academics.
For example, "zero data on exoplanets before the 1990's" insanity. Of course we had no data on exoplanets before we went looking for them!

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For example, "zero data on exoplanets before the 1990's" insanity. Of course we had no data on exoplanets before we went looking for them!
Right. That is a most bizarre claim. Somehow, "science" should have been gathering data on exoplanets before the technology existed to do so.

The only valid answer to that is

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Those are not papers. They are just a bunch of pseudoscientific nonsense dumped on vixra.
They establish priority for the ideas, including a paper like this which shows why volatiles are absent the inner "planets".

http://vixra.org/pdf/1904.0409v1.pdf

The volatiles are depleted from the star as it evolves, which means the youngest stars are the ones with the most volatiles (hydrogen/oxygen/helium/neon), and the oldest have the least.

Stars that have almost no volatiles on the surface such as water, ammonia are extremely old, dead, or fall on a transformation curve much lower than the ideal.

This is in line with the general theory.

Here is the new diagram, which shows what happens to dead stars and the ones that evolve too fast.

https://stellar-metamorphosis.blogsp...agram-for.html
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establishing priority for volatile ideas

Originally Posted by jonesdave116 View Post
Those are not papers. They are just a bunch of pseudoscientific nonsense dumped on vixra.
Originally Posted by jeffreyw View Post
They establish priority for the ideas, including a paper like this which shows why volatiles are absent the inner "planets".

http://vixra.org/pdf/1904.0409v1.pdf

The volatiles are depleted from the star as it evolves, which means the youngest stars are the ones with the most volatiles (hydrogen/oxygen/helium/neon), and the oldest have the least.

Stars that have almost no volatiles on the surface such as water, ammonia are extremely old, dead, or fall on a transformation curve much lower than the ideal.
Your three-page speculation, "Reinterpreting Why Volatile Compounds are Mostly Missing From the Inner Planets", is dated 21 April 2019. It took only a few minutes to locate a much earlier publication that presents a more plausible explanation for why volatile compounds are more common on earth:
Mel Brooks et al. Blazing Saddles. Crossbow Productions, Warner Brothers. February, 1974.

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Your three-page speculation, "Reinterpreting Why Volatile Compounds are Mostly Missing From the Inner Planets", is dated 21 April 2019. It took only a few minutes to locate a much earlier publication that presents a more plausible explanation for why volatile compounds are more common on earth:
Mel Brooks et al. Blazing Saddles. Crossbow Productions, Warner Brothers. February, 1974.
Here's a video that explains why Crossbow Productions is outdated.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CM0Hi0YwAJA
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Good thing Jupiter and Saturn don't have any hydrogen in their atmospheres.
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They establish priority for the ideas...
Piling garbage on garbage merely results in a pile of garbage !

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10 December 2018 jeffreyw: Spams his deluded and lying cartoon and delusions yet again.

10 December 2018 jeffreyw: An obvious "You don't understand the theory then" lie.

10 December 2018 jeffreyw: An insanely deluded "How to Destroy Dead Stars So They Can Be Recycled" PDF

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1 April 2019: Paranoid ranting, lies and actual insanity about academics.

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Here's a video...
That's an insane propaganda video irrelevant to the movie Blazing Saddles.
W.D.Clinger is probably referring to the famous beans creating "volatiles" scene which is more scientific than the stupidity in the PDFs and jeffreyw's idea.

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If our solar system is in any way representative of solar systems thoughout the universe, there are more young planets than old stars.
Yep, and I trust the real Astronomers over silliness. As you note.

Nothing from real science that I am aware of shows any evidence that stars turn into planets.
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That's an insane propaganda video irrelevant to the movie Blazing Saddles.
W.D.Clinger is probably referring to the famous beans creating "volatiles" scene which is more scientific than the stupidity in the PDFs and jeffreyw's idea.

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They establish priority for the ideas, including a paper like this which shows why volatiles are absent the inner "planets".
29 April 2019: Usual lie about a 'paper" when it is a deluded vixra PDF.

29 April 2019: "Reinterpreting Why Volatile Compounds are Mostly Missing From the Inner Planets" insanity.

Read "Atmospheric Science (Second Edition), 2006, 2.5.1 Formation and Evolution of the Earth System" by John M. Wallace, Peter V. Hobbs and the PDF shows he is still abysmally deluded about astronomy and physics.

His quotes from that book:
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The sun and the planets are believed to have formed 4.5 billion years ago from the gravitational collapse of a cold cloud of interstellar gas and dust."
This is a statement about stellar system formation.
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The absence of the noble gases neon, xenon, and krypton in the atmospheres of the Earth and the other planets, relative to their cosmic abundance, is evidence that the planets formed from the coalescence of the dust into chunks of solid materials called planetesimals that were drawn together by gravitation.
This is a statement of physical evidence behind the formation of planets.
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Present within the condensing cloud were volatile compounds (i.e., water, methane, ammonia, and other substances with low boiling points), mainly in the form of ices.
That is basic astronomy. We observe clouds of gas that include water, methane, ammonia, and other substances with low boiling points. We observe the stages of formation of stellar systems. We apply working physics and those volatile compounds from ices. Then we see moons, comets, and dwarf planets made of those ices !
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When the sun formed, the inner part of the cloud should have warmed, driving out most of the volatiles: hence the relatively low concentrations of these substances in the atmospheres of the inner planets.
Basic physics. The solar wind and radiation pressure from a central star will drive volatiles outwards.


Lies about mainstream science and his personal delusions. [list=1][*]Persistent delusion that objects in the solar system being different ages and compositions means they are independent objects.[*]An insane "gravitational collapse requires that the star already be formed" lie.
The chapter he read should have stated that it is over and under density in the gas cloud that starts the collapse of the gas cloud.[*]An insane lie that the cold cloud did not possess a gravitational field.
All objects with mass have a gravitational field. Gas has mass ![*]An insane "Cold gas in outer space dissipates" lie.
Cold gas form clouds through a balance between their gravitational field and thermal pressure.[*]His total insanity of planets being old stars.[*]Utter stupidity that real stars having stars including noble gases says that they are young planets.[*]Irrelevant stupidity about noble gases not reacting.[*]Madness of stars losing noble gases as they "evolve".
The mass of stars do not change greatly during their lifetime and this retains their volatiles including noble gases. It is fusion that removes them.[*]Utter madness of noble gases perhaps combining into molecules.
Stars such as the Sun have and keep temperatures of 1000's of degrees - there are no molecules! [*]Utter "coalescence of dust and matter is done by younger stars" insanity.[*]Insane lies about the "condensing clouds are the stars themselves,".
The condensing clouds are cold gases and dust.[*]An insane lie that the Sun is a young nebula.
The Sun is a 4.6 billion year old star.[*]Usual insanity about planetary ages and basic physics.
The Earth is 4.5 billion years old. There is no physical evidence that any planet is older. Mercury has less oxygen and water because it is smaller and hotter ![*]An insane lie that the Genesis mission confirms that planets did not form out of the Sun's material.
The planets formed out of the leftovers of the Sun's formation as in the what he has quoted.
The Genesis mission returned samples of particles from the modern solar wind. Sample extraction and results.
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Originally Posted by jeffreyw View Post
Here's a video that explains why Crossbow Productions is outdated.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CM0Hi0YwAJA
Blazing Saddles will never be outdated - nor will the cartoons from which it sprang, nor even moreso the gaseous nature of Governor LePetomane!!!
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Thumbs down Updates his insane cartoon to be even more insane

Originally Posted by jeffreyw View Post
Here is the new diagram...
29 April 2019: Updates his insane cartoon to be even more insane.

The usual utter insanity of objects older than the age of the universe, e.g. "Venuses" that are 25 billion years old .
The insane lie that the Earth is 10 billion years old when we measured the oldest rocks as 4.5 billion years.
The insane lie that the Moon is 65 billion years old.
The insane lie that asteroids, etc. are > a trillion years old .
The insane lie that blue giants shrink into other types of stars.
The insane delusion that white dwarfs (the endpoint of some stars such as the Sun) become yellow stars.
Insanity that gas giants become imaginary grey dwarfs and eventually rocky planets.
A total delusion of "water worlds" between "Neptune's" and "Earths"
A insane "Taylor Threshold" of stars taking more than 5 billion years to form (stars take a few million years to form,,planets a little longer).
Utter insanity that stars take < 1 billion years to turn from plasma to "gaseous".

New insanity of blue dwarfs becoming white dwarfs becoming planetary nebula
New? insanity of "Phase Curves".
New insanity of "Disintegration Curves".
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Blazing Saddles is still funny, whereas the OP was funny for a month or two and quickly became sad.
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