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Old 22nd November 2020, 12:27 AM   #2401
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Originally Posted by dirtywick View Post
I would describe their behavior as treasonous. Anyone trying to overturn the rightful winner of a democratic election in bad faith is a traitor to the US.

The real shame is there isn’t a way to hold them accountable
Trump suggested a solution based on one of the Amendments to the Constitutions.
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Old 22nd November 2020, 12:29 AM   #2402
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Originally Posted by dirtywick View Post
I would describe their behavior as treasonous. Anyone trying to overturn the rightful winner of a democratic election in bad faith is a traitor to the US.

The real shame is there isn’t a way to hold them accountable
More like sedition than treason.
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Old 22nd November 2020, 12:31 AM   #2403
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Originally Posted by dirtywick View Post
I would describe their behavior as treasonous. Anyone trying to overturn the rightful winner of a democratic election in bad faith is a traitor to the US.

The real shame is there isn’t a way to hold them accountable
It's not treasonous by consitutional standards even though it can rightly be called a betrayal of democratic norms.
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Old 22nd November 2020, 12:38 AM   #2404
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America is being subjected to a stress test – and Republicans are failing

I particularly like the description of Team Trump as "a Star Wars cantina of lackeys, grifters, sycophants and fruitcakes".
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Old 22nd November 2020, 01:28 AM   #2405
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
Donald, Rudy and Sidney fully expect the Election Officials and Judges to do what is in the interest of The President, or at least their Party's interest instead of the law.
They are literally privileged, in that they think that there should be a private law for them, and the "common law" for everyone else.
No, Trump knows full well he isn't going to change the election outcome. He might have believed the outcome would change for the first week or so. He probably was in denial for a while given he saw winning numbers on election night that slowly shifted to a Biden win.

But recently he told at least one person who leaked it to CNN that it was all about revenge now. I posted about this in the Coup thread.
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Old 22nd November 2020, 01:39 AM   #2406
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Originally Posted by Pixel42 View Post
America is being subjected to a stress test – and Republicans are failing

I particularly like the description of Team Trump as "a Star Wars cantina of lackeys, grifters, sycophants and fruitcakes".
Excellent article and one with which I agree 100%. History will not look kindly on Trump and his "Star Wars cantina of lackeys, grifters, sycophants and fruitcakes."
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Old 22nd November 2020, 01:49 AM   #2407
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It's not treasonous by consitutional standards even though it can rightly be called a betrayal of democratic norms.
I’d call it treason by the definition of the word treason. The constitutional definition is weirdly narrow
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Old 22nd November 2020, 01:54 AM   #2408
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I’d call it treason by the definition of the word treason. The constitutional definition is weirdly narrow
What is your definition of treason, that is distinct from sedition? When people use it in a manner other than the constitutional definition, they usually mean sedition in the end.
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Old 22nd November 2020, 02:32 AM   #2409
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Old 22nd November 2020, 02:45 AM   #2410
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....and laughing its arse off at us. Well, part of it's laughing its arse off while another part is watching with dismay at how far we've fallen while watching Putin with a wary eye.
To be honest watching the US over the past couple of years has been something of an antidote to the problems here in the UK.

"Well at least it's not as bad as America yet"

Trouble is, that's no longer true. You guys had an election and booted the crazy out. It's mildly amusing watching all of the desperate flailing, but it'll end soon and then you get grown ups running the show again.

That's not an option in the UK. We had an election and the crazy won a huge majority, mostly based on the back of people "voting for change" by choosing the same crowd that had already been in power for the past decade.

So in 2 weeks time I am moving with the missus to Germany, where I am very much looking forward to not caring about politics at all again, and I can point and laugh at how terrible the UK govt. is from a safe distance.

I mean in the general scheme of things, the rise of right wing populist nutjobs is just a ripple in the fabric of society. It'll pass (populists tend to get elected on single issues and usually are inept at actual governing so never last all that long) but when an actual real world crisis hits like a global pandemic, I do wish there were competent people running things.

Not to mention that at least Covid-19 is a short lived problem. The real issue we need to deal with is climate change, and I am not at all confident about our ability to get on top of that.
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Old 22nd November 2020, 02:46 AM   #2411
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Originally Posted by turingtest View Post
Donald Trump started campaigning for re-election in 2020 the minute he won the election of 2016; judging by this, he'll continue to campaign for re-election in 2020 until at least 2024; he'll never stop campaigning,
Going to be hard for him to campaign from inside of a jail cell.
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Old 22nd November 2020, 03:03 AM   #2412
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Going to be hard for him to campaign from inside of a jail cell.
maybe he can return the voting right to felons via executive order before Jan 20.
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Old 22nd November 2020, 03:07 AM   #2413
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maybe he can return the voting right to felons via executive order before Jan 20.
If he does I'd imagine that that would be at least one EO that Biden doesn't overturn.
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Old 22nd November 2020, 03:25 AM   #2414
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Credit to Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito for delivering a forceful repudiation of recent political efforts to intimidate American courts. https://wsj.com/articles/alito-defen...ts-11605309587 via
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My latest: The fix was in long before any of the vote counters got started. https://wsj.com/articles/harvesting-...on-11605221974 via
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Old 22nd November 2020, 03:26 AM   #2415
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Trump Tweets

Thanks Mark. It’s all a continuation of the never ending Witch Hunt. Judge Brann, who would not even allow us to present our case or evidence, is a product of Senator Pat “No Tariffs” Toomey of Pennsylvania, no friend of mine, & Obama - No wonder. 900,000 Fraudulent Votes!
WILL APPEAL!
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This is how Wikipedia added to Judge Brann's biography on its page just now: "He became briefly famous when he presided over a case which was part of President Trump's attempt to steal Pennsylvania's presidential electors."
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Old 22nd November 2020, 03:30 AM   #2416
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Trump Tweeted

“Dominion-izing the Vote”
Part One via @OAN @ChanelRion

“Dominion-izing the Vote”
Part Two via @OANN @ChanelRion

“Dominion-izing the Vote”
Part Three via @OANN @ChanelRion

(Videos in link)

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...67988621594625
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Old 22nd November 2020, 04:01 AM   #2417
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I’d call it treason by the definition of the word treason. The constitutional definition is weirdly narrow
I prefer that to overly broad. Anyone can see how a broad definition could be easily abused.

“You’re a Socialist!?! That’s treason by the definition of treason! String him up!”
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Old 22nd November 2020, 04:06 AM   #2418
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I keep wondering what investigators is he referring to?



The FBI? No

CISA? No.

Any State Police? No.



Makes you go hmmmm.
You forget he's got that crack team of investigators that in 2 weeks time will be revealing the truth behind Obama's fake birth certificate. Or was it that team of investigators on crack?

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Old 22nd November 2020, 04:34 AM   #2419
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Of minor note, something like this action by Bill Pascrall, Jr, provided that it had effect, could potentially serve as some of the beginning for rectification of the problem.







Not going to hold my breath on it, but a mass disbarment for those saboteurs would be some concrete action.
Probably won't get very far. Quite a few the various transcripts of hearings and the actual paperwork - apart from mascara man's - are very different to Trump's claims. Often the plaintiff side will make it clear they are not a putting an argument forward about electoral fraud. The complaints are usually about claims that processes weren't followed, that the officials misinterpreted the legislation and so on.
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Mitch McConnell: "It's almost like Democrat's Trump's purpose here is not promoting integrity, but rather preserving the chaos that makes close elections ripe targets for their DC lawyers to contest."
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The irregularities we have seen in Michigan cannot simply be ignored away or brushed under the rug.
They must be confronted and thoroughly examined.
@MIGOPChair and I are demanding a full and transparent audit in Wayne County!
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This is not at all frivolous. It is brought on behalf of one of the most respected members of the United States Congress who is disgusted, like so many others, by an Election that is a fraudulent mess. Fake ballots, dead people voting, no Republican Poll Watchers allowed, & more!
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Police cars revolving lightBREAKING: Republican Congressman Mike Kelly has filed a new frivolous lawsuit in Pennsylvania seeking to block the state from certifying the election results and having the state legislature choose electors.

This is absolutely shameful.
https://democracydocket.com/cases/pennsylv
For funsies it should be noted that the very mail ballot law they claim is unconstitutional in this lawsuit was a PAGOP proposed law and 7 out of the 8 GOP members of this lawsuit voted for it.

Mike Kelly has the biggest clownshoes.

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It has been suggested that voters in Georgia can show their support for Donald Trump by entering his name as a write-in during the senate runoff elections.
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It has been suggested that voters in Georgia can show their support for Donald Trump by entering his name as a write-in during the senate runoff elections.
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It has been suggested that voters in Georgia can show their support for Donald Trump by entering his name as a write-in during the senate runoff elections.
Really need to get that out on Facebook and Twitter, the looks of horror on Lindsey Graham and Mitch McConnell's faces would be priceless and its stupid enough for Trump to support it.
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I must admit, I find myself more irritated at Team Trump's shenanigans than I expected I would be, because it really isn't playing out the way I expected.

I expected Trump and Friends to demand recounts anywhere they could, and the partial recounts in Wisconsin make perfect sense to me. I expected them to try to throw out as many votes as possible, on the flimsiest of technicalities. While that is somewhat anti-democratic, it pays lip service to the law. It's a complete pretense to insist that you respect the law so much that you think you have to throw out a ballot because it wasn't dated, but I would have to grudgingly admit that if the law says the ballot must be dated, it's fair to throw it out if not dated. I expected all those things, and though I dreaded the possible result of that sort of strict adherence to the letter of the law, I would not be able to come up with a good argument for doing anything else.

But that's not what they are doing. The tactics I expected would not be enough, and they know it, so they are just trying to find any possible excuse for disregarding perfectly legal votes. Their lawsuits are so ridiculous that they are making a mockery of the law. They aren't looking for any way they can to eke out some sort of advantage by exploiting a corner of the law here and there. They are just simply putting up something that has the form of a legal complaint, hoping to find a biased judge who will go along with it because he wants their guy to stay in power, and will twist the law into a pretzel to make it happen. Or, perhaps, they don't even want that. Perhaps winning isn't even their goal. Perhaps they're just trolling, or possibly hoping to cast doubt on our institutions and our government, and subverting our legal system for assistance.

It's disgraceful. It's disgraceful that Trump is doing it, directly or via his cronies, and it is disgraceful that so many Republicans are willing to go along with it. At least I am proud of the ones who refuse, like the Georgia Secretary of State, or the Michigan legislators who apparently were not persuaded by Trump's pitch. Congressman Kelly of Pennsylvania, on the other hand, deserves to be tarred and feathered for his role in a lawsuit attempting to disenfranchise hundreds of thousands of Pennsylvanians.

It's a sad time for America.
While I agree totally on the description of what they are doing is disgusting. I have to say that the fact that the system appears to be working brings some gladness into what has been a sad time for America, for quite some time now. That team Trump brought their T-ball stand, a broken one at that, and wiffle bat to a real baseball game and keep striking out. Shows just how truly they underestimated the system and the people in it. Judges, the first responders of democracy.
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While I agree totally on the description of what they are doing is disgusting. I have to say that the fact that the system appears to be working brings some gladness into what has been a sad time for America, for quite some time now. That team Trump brought their T-ball stand, a broken one at that, and wiffle bat to a real baseball game and keep striking out. Shows just how truly they underestimated the system and the people in it. Judges, the first responders of democracy.
THIS time. Don't doubt for a second that McConnell is taking notes of which circuits to pack.
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THIS time. Don't doubt for a second that McConnell is taking notes of which circuits to pack.
Oh, no doubt, but after you give someone an appointment for life they have little reason to keep kissing your arse, and every reason to retain what power and influence they can. Now, they have had a habit of appointing unqualified people but such people are as likely to just vote against you, even when the law is on your side, when it is in their self interest.
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Going to be hard for him to campaign from inside of a jail cell.
I don't think so. He will lose a bunch of money. The Trumpsters will continue. But the campaigning money still flowing in is going to fizzle out in about 6 months. It will be a Twiiter campaign from that point on.
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I don't think so. He will lose a bunch of money. The Trumpsters will continue. But the campaigning money still flowing in is going to fizzle out in about 6 months. It will be a Twiiter campaign from that point on.
Assuming Twitter doesn’t get fed up with him and having the constantly mark his tweets as disputed. Then it will be a Parler campaign.
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How big is this guy's following? On Nov 6 he said no one he knows or who contacts him via the show voted for Biden ergo Trump must have won, or something like that.

I wasn't going to watch at first but it turned out to be pretty funny.
Dave Rubin started his Rubin Report on YouTube in June 2016 and has had 250 million views.

I wasn't going to watch it at first either but he was so smug and condescending in the beginning -- when he was predicting a trump landslide win and that there was "no way" Democrats would accept it -- I found myself watching the whole thing, too. The one takeaway I have is, Rubin explains he doesn't consider himself a Republican, nor does he like or respect most Republican officials ("impotent losers"). Then, beginning about 10:19, he explains he "absolutely supported trump" because he thought trump was "the best vehicle to keep breaking this thing so we could try and rebuild something good."

Keep breaking 'this thing?' Rebuild something good? I think that accurately describes the mindset of a certain type of trump supporter. I've seen the comment several times that voting for trump was a way to 'throw a rock through the window.'

All I can say is, they are really kidding themselves if that's what they think. I will never understand how some of trump's supporters can ignore trump's business history. I wrote him off forty years ago when he single-handedly destroyed the USFL football league. He was the same guy then he is now.
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Governor Larry Hogan (Republican) on CNN

"We are beginning to look like we are a banana republic. It's time for them to stop the nonsense. It just gets more bizarre every single day and, frankly, I'm embarrassed that more people in the party aren't speaking up."
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Senator Kevin Cramer (R) on NBC Meet the Press says
"There has to be an end. It’s past time to start a transition, to at least cooperate with a transition. I'd rather have a president who has more than one day to prepare.”

But he also said “If Joe Biden ends up being President”- he is straddling both sides of the fence.
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Trump Tweets

It’s all about the signatures on the envelopes. Why are the Democrats fighting so hard to hide them. We will find massive numbers of fraudulent ballots. The signatures won’t match. Fight hard Republicans. Don’t let them destroy the evidence!
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Trump Retweeted

Elizabeth Harrington
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We're all fighting this fight right now.
We're talking about the core of our American Constitutional Republic, the right to vote, the thing people have died for since 1776.
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I heard some TV discussion today and they mentioned "The Vice-President".

In context (until the next sentence) it was impossible to know who they were referring to.

The current VP?
The former VP? (Now President-Elect)
The current VP-Elect? (I've already heard that slip made)
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Oh, no doubt, but after you give someone an appointment for life they have little reason to keep kissing your arse, and every reason to retain what power and influence they can. Now, they have had a habit of appointing unqualified people but such people are as likely to just vote against you, even when the law is on your side, when it is in their self interest.
That only means they're easy to bribe and easy to blackmail, both tools the GOP uses extensively.
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Really need to get that out on Facebook and Twitter, the looks of horror on Lindsey Graham and Mitch McConnell's faces would be priceless and its stupid enough for Trump to support it.
Of course, I stole ... err ... borrowed it from Twitter.

I'm pretty sure, however, that the suggestion to write-in "Donald Trump" during the Georgia Senate run-offs was made in a tweet that wasn't very likely to be read by a Trump supporter in Georgia. :-(

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