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Old 3rd January 2017, 12:26 PM   #401
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Apparently, the Trump staffers asked British pop star Rebecca Ferguson to perform; and she announced she would agree to do so only if she was allowed to perform "Strange Fruit"; an anti-lynching protest song first recorded by Billie Holiday.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/articl...ation-ceremony
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Old 3rd January 2017, 12:34 PM   #402
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
what an odd comment... I don't believe anyone has suggested that she is doing anything other than singing the National Anthem, which is indeed the most prestigious spot of all on that day
The response from others in the thread would seem to contradict that idea, since no less than three people have indicated they weren't aware she was only performing the national anthem.

And I would debate the merits of singing the national anthem as being the most prestigious spot, since as I said it can literally be done by any nominally competent singer and therefore does not need a big name to do it. The more prestigious spots would, in my opinion, go to those who are performing their own music and will be able to make their individual artistic contributions heard rather than being forced to sing exactly the lyrics someone else wrote a couple hundred years ago with very little room for putting your own spin on the content.
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Originally Posted by Sabrina View Post
The response from others in the thread would seem to contradict that idea, since no less than three people have indicated they weren't aware she was only performing the national anthem.

And I would debate the merits of singing the national anthem as being the most prestigious spot, since as I said it can literally be done by any nominally competent singer and therefore does not need a big name to do it. The more prestigious spots would, in my opinion, go to those who are performing their own music and will be able to make their individual artistic contributions heard rather than being forced to sing exactly the lyrics someone else wrote a couple hundred years ago with very little room for putting your own spin on the content.
The really funny thing is you are making up that claim and applying to someone who is primarily known as an opera singer.

That bastard Puccini always forcing people to sing O mio babbino caro exactly the lyrics he wrote it a hundred years ago with very little room for putting your own spin on the content.
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Old 3rd January 2017, 01:19 PM   #404
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Originally Posted by Sabrina View Post
And I would debate the merits of singing the national anthem as being the most prestigious spot, since as I said it can literally be done by any nominally competent singer and therefore does not need a big name to do it.

I agree, the national anthem can be lip-synced by practically anyone, which Beyoncé proved at the Obama inauguration in 2013.

Reference: Beyoncé admits Inauguration Day lip-sync

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Originally Posted by Sabrina View Post
The response from others in the thread would seem to contradict that idea, since no less than three people have indicated they weren't aware she was only performing the national anthem.

And I would debate the merits of singing the national anthem as being the most prestigious spot, since as I said it can literally be done by any nominally competent singer and therefore does not need a big name to do it. The more prestigious spots would, in my opinion, go to those who are performing their own music and will be able to make their individual artistic contributions heard rather than being forced to sing exactly the lyrics someone else wrote a couple hundred years ago with very little room for putting your own spin on the content.
I think back to previous inaugurations and try to remember all of the entertainment that occurred, to see who might be “most prestigious”. Here’s a complete list:

“Hail to the Chief” – various military bands.
Various high school bands who were forced inside due to cold weather at Ronald Reagan’s second inauguration.
Maya Angelou reads some mediocre poetry.
Beyonce lip synchs the National Anthem.
Bill Clinton plays “Your Momma Don’t Dance and Your Daddy Don’t Rock and Roll” on the saxophone at his own inaugural ball.

Of all the spots for the entertainers, it would seem that the National Anthem is the most significant, only because it happens right about the time of the swearing in. All the other entertainment is ….meh.

And if my own memory is worth anything, it would seem that the entertainment is most remembered if something went wrong with it, or if it is provided by the President himself. I’ve heard Trump tell jokes, so unless he has some previously unrevealed musical ability, he should probably leave the entertainment to others.
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Originally Posted by luchog View Post
Apparently, the Trump staffers asked British pop star Rebecca Ferguson to perform; and she announced she would agree to do so only if she was allowed to perform "Strange Fruit"; an anti-lynching protest song first recorded by Billie Holiday.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/articl...ation-ceremony
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
The really funny thing is you are making up that claim and applying to someone who is primarily known as an opera singer.

That bastard Puccini always forcing people to sing O mio babbino caro exactly the lyrics he wrote it a hundred years ago with very little room for putting your own spin on the content.
She's not an Opera Singer. She gas never sung an Opera or performed one.
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Originally Posted by luchog View Post
Apparently, the Trump staffers asked British pop star Rebecca Ferguson to perform; and she announced she would agree to do so only if she was allowed to perform "Strange Fruit"; an anti-lynching protest song first recorded by Billie Holiday.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/articl...ation-ceremony
What was the response from the Trump staffers?
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Originally Posted by thaiboxerken View Post
What was the response from the Trump staffers?
"Who is Rebecca Ferguson again?"
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
She's not an Opera Singer. She gas never sung an Opera or performed one.
An Opera?

The super thing? Did not come close to rebutting my actual point.
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So who's on the list now? It would appear to be just the KKK Kazoo Team plus a pair of Rockettes being whipped so far.
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So who's on the list now? It would appear to be just the KKK Kazoo Team plus a pair of Rockettes being whipped so far.
You know what's going to happen if they can't get professional entertainers. More speeches. God save us from more speeches.

Maybe they can get some of the runners-up from America's Got Talent. Like that dude with the little circus dogs. I'd watch that.
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You know what's going to happen if they can't get professional entertainers. More speeches. God save us from more speeches.

Maybe they can get some of the runners-up from America's Got Talent. Like that dude with the little circus dogs. I'd watch that.
They could screen re-runs of Obama's inauguration celebration and CGI Melania's head onto Michelle's body, and Trump's onto Obama's. No-one would notice the difference, I'm sure!

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"Who is Rebecca Ferguson again?"
So they quickly forgot who the person is that they invited to the event? I agree that Trump staffers are idiots, but wow, you must really think very low of them.
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So they quickly forgot who the person is that they invited to the event? I agree that Trump staffers are idiots, but wow, you must really think very low of them.
I don't know any of them personally, but you know, I give them the benefit of the doubt and assume idiot as a kindness. Then again, I still chuckle every time I see the name "Josh Earnest." Politics is full of humor if you allow it.
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An Opera?

The super thing? Did not come close to rebutting my actual point.
I wasn't trying to rebut anythjng. I was pointing out that she isn't an opera singer.
Recording a few popular arias doesn’t make sn opera singer. Actually performing and singing complete operas does.
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Those so called celebrities that turned down the invitation are losers, not patriots, the worst. so sad
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I wasn't trying to rebut anythjng. I was pointing out that she isn't an opera singer.
Recording a few popular arias doesn’t make sn opera singer. Actually performing and singing complete operas does.
Classical singer, sure. Opera singer, not so much.
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The National Anthem is actually incredibly hard to sing. Try it sometime, opening arbitrarily on any note, and you will discover that it's nearly impossible to hit the highs and the lows. Back up, try to sing it in a different key and see where that gets you. The best vehicle is probably a barbershop quartet. The tune is simply unsuited to the human instrument.

I like watching old "X Factor" clips, including the British versions. Susan Boyle actually auditioned on "Britain's Got Talent," and that clip never would have been seen in the U.S. if there hadn't been a phenomenal narrative to go with the phenomenal performance. Rebecca Ferguson isn't such a well-known name but she has a great blues voice. I'm not aware of any compelling reason to invite her over any homegrown talent, though. She might be a world-class performer now but she wasn't at her first BGT (X Factor?) audition. And yes, these things are scripted to some extent, and her "role" was to come across as shy and inward. How much of that is real, I don't know. Whatever, the inauguration will be entertaining for those who find entertainment in such venues. I wouldn't, no matter who was being inaugurated. The fact that it is Trump makes me that much less enthusiastic, because I deeply dislike the guy, but he has his fans and they will be plenty satisfied with whatever he has to present, even if it's military bands performing old standards to fox-trot or waltz by.
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As minoosh said, the anthem is very difficult to sing. I have had vocal training and even singing in my preferred key with plenty of warm up, it is a strain. If you want to know if someone can *really* sing, listen to them do the anthem.

Lady Gaga did it great last year, my favorite so far.
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Re. Something not sure what but, "The United States Marine Corps Band has played "The Liberty Bell" march at four of the last six presidential inaugurations: the 1993 inauguration of President Bill Clinton,[3][4] the 2005 inauguration of President George W. Bush,[5] and the 2009 and 2013 inaugurations of President Barack Obama." From wikipedia.

The John Phillips Sousa march is known to folks of a certain age as the theme from Monty Python's Flying Circus.

I remember watching Clinton's inaguration with cow-orkers. Much laughter ensued.
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For anyone not knowing yet:

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I doubt the hunt for big names is to do the anthem. To be more accurate, to "just do the anthem". It's the ball(s) later. He wants to have the impression that the glitterati is in his camp, particularly some early Clinton supporters. Why else approach Perry?

Maybe he could do an All Star Sexual Predator lineup? I'm sure Cee Lo needs work? Is Gary Glitter out of jail? R. Kelly?

But they're idiots. Approaching stars of the magnitude they're approaching through their agents doesn't work, particularly dangling government posts or amabassdorships. Lady Gaga, Adele, Pink, Kate Perry, Kelly Clarkson? Those people don't take gigs just because their agents tell them to.

Have they asked Nigel to approach Clapton? He's got a nasty right wing streak in him. And we've forgiven him that and keep buying his music. He's kind of an untouchable. Being "Guitar God" can do that.
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Fake news? You mean Trump's own words?

Immigrants- All those mexicans rapists bringing drugs
gays - Trump said he'd appoint a Justice who'd overturn marriage equality.
The irony. It burns.
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Personally, I'd like to see KISS perform. I'm sure Gene Simmons would be on board.
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What about Ozzy. I bet he would do it for a laugh.
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Personally, I'd like to see KISS perform. I'm sure Gene Simmons would be on board.
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Simmons is so busy figuring out which would benefit Gene Simmons' pocket more that he'll still be mulling it over in June.
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Now there's controversy about the band from the black college in Alabama being invited to play.

Here's how I'd like to see it work out -- the band goes, the kids get to experience the "smooth transistion", but they decide when marching, instead of playing music to just have a lone drummer tap out a beat while everyone else is silent.
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The National Anthem is actually incredibly hard to sing. Try it sometime, opening arbitrarily on any note, and you will discover that it's nearly impossible to hit the highs and the lows. Back up, try to sing it in a different key and see where that gets you. The best vehicle is probably a barbershop quartet. The tune is simply unsuited to the human instrument.

I like watching old "X Factor" clips, including the British versions. Susan Boyle actually auditioned on "Britain's Got Talent," and that clip never would have been seen in the U.S. if there hadn't been a phenomenal narrative to go with the phenomenal performance. Rebecca Ferguson isn't such a well-known name but she has a great blues voice. I'm not aware of any compelling reason to invite her over any homegrown talent, though. She might be a world-class performer now but she wasn't at her first BGT (X Factor?) audition. And yes, these things are scripted to some extent, and her "role" was to come across as shy and inward. How much of that is real, I don't know. Whatever, the inauguration will be entertaining for those who find entertainment in such venues. I wouldn't, no matter who was being inaugurated. The fact that it is Trump makes me that much less enthusiastic, because I deeply dislike the guy, but he has his fans and they will be plenty satisfied with whatever he has to present, even if it's military bands performing old standards to fox-trot or waltz by.
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As minoosh said, the anthem is very difficult to sing. I have had vocal training and even singing in my preferred key with plenty of warm up, it is a strain. If you want to know if someone can *really* sing, listen to them do the anthem.

Lady Gaga did it great last year, my favorite so far.
I would advise anyone who has doubts about Jackie Evanchos' vocal talent to listen to one of her renditions, here is one:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2YRCjBzZSg It's not modified, it's just a straight national anthem, but it's a good test for a singer.
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What about Ozzy. I bet he would do it for a laugh.
That would be awesome. "No More Tears" and "Mr. Crowley" . Half Ozzie and half Jackie, no Trump.
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Because it plays into the feminist dogma that all men oppress all women, and that men who don't rape still benefit from rape because it keeps women in line.
Uh-huh. Got it all figgered out.
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The fact that I'm more familiar feminist theory than you amuses me to no end.
I'm amused, too! Can you guess at what?
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As minoosh said, the anthem is very difficult to sing. I have had vocal training and even singing in my preferred key with plenty of warm up, it is a strain. If you want to know if someone can *really* sing, listen to them do the anthem. Lady Gaga did it great last year, my favorite so far.
My favorite (and I'm showing my age ) was the Jimi Hendrix version. Unforgettable, but that was instrumental, no vocals.

I agree, Lady Gaga was excellent.
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Uh-huh. Got it all figgered out.
It's not all that complicated. Do you need citations?
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I would advise anyone who has doubts about Jackie Evanchos' vocal talent to listen to one of her renditions, here is one:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2YRCjBzZSg It's not modified, it's just a straight national anthem, but it's a good test for a singer.
I won't deny she's got pipes. Give her 10-15 years, and she'll be truly remarkable.
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My favorite (and I'm showing my age ) was the Jimi Hendrix version. Unforgettable, but that was instrumental, no vocals.

I agree, Lady Gaga was excellent.
Derail:

And I'll really show my age. I was there for the Woodstock version*. Counter to hippie legend he didn't just step up and decide to wake people from their tents, but it was part of a medley that ran about an hour. He segued into The Star Spangled Banner in the middle of it.

*Woodstock, thanks to Michael Wadleigh is the most famous version, but there are forty or fifty recordings of him doing it. It was part of his repertoire. He didn't just make up those "bombs bursting in air" sound effects on the spot. He'd been noodling with them for years.
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Originally Posted by Marcus View Post
I would advise anyone who has doubts about Jackie Evanchos' vocal talent to listen to one of her renditions, here is one:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2YRCjBzZSg It's not modified, it's just a straight national anthem, but it's a good test for a singer.
Very Nice. I hope no one harasses her for doing it. The National Anthem is to me, the antithesis to Trump. It's not like hiring entertainment to celebrate the day.

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Originally Posted by newyorkguy View Post
My favorite (and I'm showing my age ) was the Jimi Hendrix version. Unforgettable, but that was instrumental, no vocals.
I wonder if any other human being could do what he did with his guitar.
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Originally Posted by newyorkguy View Post
My favorite (and I'm showing my age ) was the Jimi Hendrix version. Unforgettable, but that was instrumental, no vocals.

I agree, Lady Gaga was excellent.
I've heard Hendrix's version, and I can say his guitar sings way better than I do!
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