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Old 22nd August 2015, 09:26 AM   #41
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Hey, wait a second... I support Trump!

(for the Republican nomination, but not for the presidency)
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Old 22nd August 2015, 10:38 AM   #42
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Originally Posted by Manopolus View Post
Hey, wait a second... I support Trump!

(for the Republican nomination, but not for the presidency)
Why? I think you're making a grave strategic error. Do you realize that if he wins the nomination, he has a very good chance of winning? He's going to bring people to the polls who haven't voted for years. People have underestimated Trump from the beginning, and seem likely to continue to do so until he's sworn in!
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Old 22nd August 2015, 06:28 PM   #43
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Originally Posted by Doghouse Reilly View Post
Why? I think you're making a grave strategic error. Do you realize that if he wins the nomination, he has a very good chance of winning? He's going to bring people to the polls who haven't voted for years. People have underestimated Trump from the beginning, and seem likely to continue to do so until he's sworn in!
Trump has built a winning coalition that includes zero minorities, women, and former POW's. The angry white male vote is all you need, as President Romney can attest to.
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Old 22nd August 2015, 09:07 PM   #44
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Originally Posted by Doghouse Reilly View Post
Why? I think you're making a grave strategic error. Do you realize that if he wins the nomination, he has a very good chance of winning? He's going to bring people to the polls who haven't voted for years. People have underestimated Trump from the beginning, and seem likely to continue to do so until he's sworn in!
And electing a delusional megalomaniac who uses bigotry as his main campaign weapon to the Oval Office somehow makes you happy just because it is somehow giving a finger to the Establishment?
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Old 22nd August 2015, 09:21 PM   #45
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Originally Posted by Fudbucker View Post
Trump has built a winning coalition that includes zero minorities, women, and former POW's. The angry white male vote is all you need, as President Romney can attest to.
Really?

He's going to get more minorities than any republican has gotten in awhile. He'll also get the same amount of women as any repub has gotten.

Besides the angry white male didn't show up for Romney, he was a wimp.
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Typical Red Sox fans.

Go Yankees!
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Old 23rd August 2015, 12:14 AM   #47
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Originally Posted by Fudbucker View Post
Trump has built a winning coalition that includes zero minorities, women, and former POW's. The angry white male vote is all you need, as President Romney can attest to.
Originally Posted by logger View Post
Really?

He's going to get more minorities than any republican has gotten in awhile. He'll also get the same amount of women as any repub has gotten.
Logger may be right on this point. The polls that other posters have been citing indicate that Trump's approval rating among women is similar to the approval ratings of other candidates.
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Old 23rd August 2015, 01:13 AM   #48
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Originally Posted by NoahFence View Post
Hate is the trait of the typical Trump supporter. Xenophobic hate. Violence is merely one way that trait manifests itself.

Trump and his ilk rile up the base. This is simply one result.
There are a lot of people like my self that like Trump because he is not being politically correct and dares to speak his mind, it has nothing to do with hate. if putting up a wall and making people come here legally, then I'm all for it. Unlike Obama that wants to give them amnesty.
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Old 23rd August 2015, 05:03 AM   #49
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Couple Trump supporters I've teased, able to get away with it as I've known them for years, both expressed frustration with Republicans who've broken repeated promises to make things better by kicking lazy bums off welfare, ending abortion, getting rid of Obama and other illegals, making them proud again.
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Old 23rd August 2015, 05:51 AM   #50
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
Ok, "typical" was hyperbole. (Thanks, Captain Obvious)

Not all Trump supporters are drunken racist morons...
True I've met some who quit drinking years ago!
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Old 23rd August 2015, 06:43 AM   #51
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Originally Posted by Frank Newgent View Post
...getting rid of Obama and other illegals,
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Old 23rd August 2015, 11:16 AM   #52
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Originally Posted by Ladewig View Post
Logger may be right on this point. The polls that other posters have been citing indicate that Trump's approval rating among women is similar to the approval ratings of other candidates.
And similarly ridiculous to pretend that he won't get minorities. Trump is likely to have a greater share of the minority vote, particularly the Black vote, than any Republican has enjoyed in a long time. And no former POWs? How many of them are there voting? A few hundred?
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Old 23rd August 2015, 03:50 PM   #53
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There are a lot of people like my self that like Trump because he is not being politically correct and dares to speak his mind, it has nothing to do with hate. if putting up a wall and making people come here legally, then I'm all for it. Unlike Obama that wants to give them amnesty.
He is mentally unstable. A narcissistic piece of human trash.

If you're standard is not being politically correct and speaking his mind, vote for Bernie Sanders. At least in that event, we can avoid a war because he won't call the head of state of some country a whore.
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Originally Posted by Ladewig View Post
Logger may be right on this point. The polls that other posters have been citing indicate that Trump's approval rating among women is similar to the approval ratings of other candidates.
There's a first time for everything. Unfortunately for logger being right that time wasn't it.
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Old 23rd August 2015, 04:15 PM   #55
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Originally Posted by NoahFence View Post
He is mentally unstable. A narcissistic piece of human trash.
I consider that a valid inference based on Trump's entire body of work.

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There's a first time for everything. Unfortunately for logger being right that time wasn't it.
I suppose Logger and I could be wrong on this matter, the only way to tell will be to look at some actual poll numbers.

D. Reilly, do you still have those links?
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Old 23rd August 2015, 04:23 PM   #56
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Poll numbers for women

Originally Posted by Fudbucker View Post
Trump has built a winning coalition that includes zero minorities, women, and former POW's. The angry white male vote is all you need, as President Romney can attest to.

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Really?

He's going to get more minorities than any republican has gotten in awhile. He'll also get the same amount of women as any repub has gotten.

Besides the angry white male didn't show up for Romney, he was a wimp.
Well, it may be that neither Fudbucker nor Logger has a particularly accurate assessment. Although Logger was a bit closer to the actual numbers.
There was also a strong gender gap among Trump’s supporters, even before the Megyn Kelly debate dustup. Men typically support Trump by at least three points more than his overall total, while women back him by two to six points less.

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We see an even larger gender gap in answers to the “would never vote for” question. Before the debate, about 36 percent of women said they would never vote for Trump, compared with between 25 and 29 percent of men. One cannot imagine that women have become more favorable toward Trump since then.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...er-republicans
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Originally Posted by NoahFence View Post
He is mentally unstable. A narcissistic piece of human trash.

If you're standard is not being politically correct and speaking his mind, vote for Bernie Sanders. At least in that event, we can avoid a war because he won't call the head of state of some country a whore.
I lived in Vermont under Sanders he is still a socialist no matter what he says and voted I against him in every election. He claims to support us Veterans while voting at the same time to cut our retirement benefits . he says one what people want to hear and then just does what he wants.
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Old 23rd August 2015, 06:22 PM   #58
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Originally Posted by Ladewig View Post
D. Reilly, do you still have those links?
Here's one from all the way back in late July. I'll try to find a more recent one.

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Donald Trump has 'huge lead' among Repuplican women voters, polls say

Mr. Bush bests Mr. Trump among all Republicans and among male voters. Mr. Trump, however, triumphs among conservatives, independents and female voters. He has a “huge lead” among women, Mr. Zogby said - 26 percent to Mr. Bush’s 10 percent, and 7 percent for Mr. Walker.

This is not the first survey which reveals Mr. Trump has appeal for women voters - support deemed crucial by analysts who have also warned that the candidate’s style might not appeal to the ladies. The findings suggest otherwise.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...blican-women-/

Here's another one:

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/dat...-votes-for-now

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Another poll conducted by Reuters/Ipsos found Trump's female support fell slightly, from 26 percent on Aug. 3 to 20 percent the week after the GOP debate in Cleveland. However, a third of women randomly interviewed on the street in Pennsylvania by Gallup said they were Trump supporters and that their loyalty to him hasn't faltered. These numbers suggest Trump could lose fans here and there, but most of them are in it for the long haul.
And from August 18:

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The poll finds evidence of a slight gender gap in support for Trump, who has faced public questions recently about his treatment of women, though he does lead the field among both men and women. Trump stands at 27% among Republican men and at 20% among Republican women, a gap just outside the margin of error for each group.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/18/politi...l-poll-debate/

And this article from the New York Times states:

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In poll after poll of Republicans, Mr. Trump leads among women...
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/23/us...peak.html?_r=0

So to say that women aren't going to vote for Trump is pretty much to deny reality at this point.

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Originally Posted by Ladewig View Post
Well, it may be that neither Fudbucker nor Logger has a particularly accurate assessment. Although Logger was a bit closer to the actual numbers.
There was also a strong gender gap among Trump’s supporters, even before the Megyn Kelly debate dustup. Men typically support Trump by at least three points more than his overall total, while women back him by two to six points less.

[snip]

We see an even larger gender gap in answers to the “would never vote for” question. Before the debate, about 36 percent of women said they would never vote for Trump, compared with between 25 and 29 percent of men. One cannot imagine that women have become more favorable toward Trump since then.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...er-republicans
Bottom line is, Trump's approval ratings among women are higher than for any other Republican candidate.
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He is mentally unstable. A narcissistic piece of human trash.
Trump Jong-un.
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Dumb post, really Trump supporter. I'm a Trump supporter and I haven't beaten anyone yet. hmm Boring libs.
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Dumb post, really Trump supporter. I'm a Trump supporter and I haven't beaten anyone yet. hmm Boring libs.
Exactly.
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There's a first time for everything. Unfortunately for logger being right that time wasn't it.
I'll give you another one, the reason women will like him is precisely because he's a strong man, women like that. The whole republican field since McCain till present have simply been wimps. Trumps whole appeal is getting out there and saying what needs to be said so we can begin to turn the destruction of our country around.
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Poe?
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Poe?
Lol

No, more proof you have no idea what women want.

Its true they like strong men who aren't going to run them over, its a delicate concept that has most men relearning many times over.

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Poe?
You don't understand. Women like men who shut down criticism by saying that they are menstruating, women like men who call them bimbos, women like men that think breast milk is disgusting.
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You don't understand. Women like men who shut down criticism by saying that they are menstruating, women like men who call them bimbos, women like men that think breast milk is disgusting.
I think this stuff is being saved for the second and third laps. We're only just off the starting line. At this juncture, which of the GOP "contenders" is willing to run against misogyny? And which of them has to when Teh Candidate gives them the votes on a platter.

The spin that Trump isn't so bad among women voters ignores reality. It's almost like David Duke pointing to a couple of black voters who supported him for whatever reason. In the most recent poll that gives results by gender (a local Fox News poll in Michigan), Trump trails both Rubio and Bush among women voters and they both trail Hillary.
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Lol

No, more proof you have no idea what a women might want. (edited for accuracy)

Its true they like strong men who aren't going to run them over, its a delicate concept that has most men relearning many times over.
In the likely event that he rises to the top of the GOP ticket and makes his way into the general, he is going to get decimated by the woman's vote. You know it, I know it.

Stop with the contrarian position. Your basically saying Jews would vote for Hitler. Their #1 enemy. Trump is a woman's #1 enemy.
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In the likely event that he rises to the top of the GOP ticket and makes his way into the general, he is going to get decimated by the woman's vote. You know it, I know it.

Stop with the contrarian position. Your basically saying Jews would vote for Hitler. Their #1 enemy. Trump is a woman's #1 enemy.
I disagree with the last sentence. Most of the other R candidates are actually worse.
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Don't forget, Trump hasn't even begun capitalizing on his family yet in the context of the campaign. His daughters are extremely attractive, successful, poised and accomplished women. Once they get into the public eye promoting Trump, a great deal of the "Trump as anti-women" meme will be neutralized.
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Don't forget, Trump hasn't even begun capitalizing on his family yet in the context of the campaign. His daughters are extremely attractive, successful, poised and accomplished women. Once they get into the public eye promoting Trump, a great deal of the "Trump as anti-women" meme will be neutralized.
And then there are his ex-wives....
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And then there are his ex-wives....
True, but it appears that they have been pretty effectively bought/silenced. I don't expect we'll hear much from them.
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Originally Posted by Doghouse Reilly View Post
Don't forget, Trump hasn't even begun capitalizing on his family yet in the context of the campaign. His daughters are extremely attractive, successful, poised and accomplished women. Once they get into the public eye promoting Trump, a great deal of the "Trump as anti-women" meme will be neutralized.
Huh?

Can you explain how that works?
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Huh?

Can you explain how that works?
The psychology of perception and credibility. Trump has reputable, accomplished, poised (and, yes, very attractive...whether we like it or not, that matters in visual media) women who are close to him and have been for their entire lives, adding credibility to his declarations of commitment to women's issues, and detracting from the narrative that he is anti-woman.

I'm not saying it's completely rational, but as his campaign progresses, these women will likely be in the public eye supporting Trump, and it will have an effect. They come across as charming, classy, tastefully reserved, and intelligent, and these things count in our modern, television-driven campaigns, giving female voters an image that contradicts the notion that Trump isn't someone who cares about the well being of females.

I understand if you disagree that this will have any significant impact, but does that at least explain my thoughts? Or is it still unclear?
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The psychology of perception and credibility. Trump has reputable, accomplished, poised (and, yes, very attractive...whether we like it or not, that matters in visual media) women who are close to him and have been for their entire lives, adding credibility to his declarations of commitment to women's issues, and detracting from the narrative that he is anti-woman.

I'm not saying it's completely rational, but as his campaign progresses, these women will likely be in the public eye supporting Trump, and it will have an effect. They come across as charming, classy, tastefully reserved, and intelligent, and these things count in our modern, television-driven campaigns, giving female voters an image that contradicts the notion that Trump isn't someone who cares about the well being of females.

I understand if you disagree that this will have any significant impact, but does that at least explain my thoughts? Or is it still unclear?
Well, personally, I cannot imagine anything that they could say that would make women forget all his documented comments.

But as I say, I have no idea what will and won't change his numbers.
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I'd like to comment but unfortunately I, like many other Britons, can't actually believe that any American honestly wishes for Trump to become President of the US. Mention Trump's name here and people burst out laughing. He's a joke, a figure of fun who happens to be a nasty bit of filth at the same time.
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Don't forget, Trump hasn't even begun capitalizing on his family yet in the context of the campaign. His daughters are extremely attractive, successful, poised and accomplished women. Once they get into the public eye promoting Trump, a great deal of the "Trump as anti-women" meme will be neutralized.
I wonder if Noah will figure this out.

Liberals on here show incredible ignorance of how politics works. There's plenty of time for him to soften his position.
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I'd like to comment but unfortunately I, like many other Britons, can't actually believe that any American honestly wishes for Trump to become President of the US. Mention Trump's name here and people burst out laughing. He's a joke, a figure of fun who happens to be a nasty bit of filth at the same time.
The only joke we have here is OBAMA he will go down as the worst president in US history.
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I lived in Vermont under Sanders he is still a socialist no matter what he says and voted I against him in every election. He claims to support us Veterans while voting at the same time to cut our retirement benefits . he says one what people want to hear and then just does what he wants.
Take some personal responsibility and work for what you want instead of demanding more and more handouts.
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I lived in Vermont under Sanders he is still a socialist no matter what he says and voted I against him in every election. He claims to support us Veterans while voting at the same time to cut our retirement benefits . he says one what people want to hear and then just does what he wants.
My first thought was - Colonel Sanders?
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