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Old 25th August 2015, 12:38 PM   #81
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Originally Posted by COLONEL View Post
I lived in Vermont under Sanders he is still a socialist no matter what he says and voted I against him in every election. He claims to support us Veterans while voting at the same time to cut our retirement benefits . he says one what people want to hear and then just does what he wants.
Evidence for this please.
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Old 25th August 2015, 01:00 PM   #82
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Originally Posted by COLONEL View Post
The only joke we have here is OBAMA he will go down as the worst president in US history.
Those who believe this are going to be sorely disappointed.
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Old 25th August 2015, 01:01 PM   #83
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Originally Posted by thaiboxerken View Post
Evidence for this please.
The evidence that he's a socialist is that he voted to cut benefits. Don't you see that?
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Old 25th August 2015, 01:31 PM   #84
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Originally Posted by The_Animus View Post
Those who believe this are going to be sorely disappointed.

Why? What's going to change their opinion?
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Old 25th August 2015, 01:37 PM   #85
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Originally Posted by thaiboxerken View Post
Evidence for this please.
Ryan-Murray budget cuts military retirement benefits.


Sen. Sanders votes "yea" on Ryan-Murray budget.
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Old 25th August 2015, 01:55 PM   #86
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Originally Posted by Bogative View Post
This Budget?

http://docs.house.gov/billsthisweek/...9sa-1R_xml.pdf It's so sad that Sander's compromised to keep the government from shutting down.

Sanders tried to deal with that compromise with this: http://vetlikeme.org/senator-bernie-sanders-veterans/
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Old 25th August 2015, 02:10 PM   #87
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Originally Posted by COLONEL View Post
The only joke we have here is OBAMA he will go down as the worst president in US history.
LOL

Shortsightedness is a super power now?

I'd like you to use bullet points and whatnot, and describe exactly how he will go down as the worst president in history. Hell he's not even the worst president of the last 10 years.
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Old 25th August 2015, 02:12 PM   #88
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Originally Posted by applecorped View Post
Why? What's going to change their opinion?
Head injury?

I can't imagine a scenario short of his launching nukes that would make him worse than Bush.

But of course, if enough brown people die due to that, he may be elevated to BEST ever. Depends on who you're talking to.
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Slinging accusations of overall racism in a group never really allows one to be a part of any meaningful discussion.
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Old 25th August 2015, 02:57 PM   #90
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Originally Posted by applecorped View Post
Why? What's going to change their opinion?
It's not an opinion. His use of "will go down as" made it a prediction. I'd do an avatar bet but the 10-20 years needed for historical perspective is a bit of a long time to wait for resolution.

I feel people often use the word opinion incorrectly. The following is a great article about just that.

http://www.houstonpress.com/arts/no-...pdated-7611752
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Old 25th August 2015, 03:11 PM   #91
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Originally Posted by Crossbow View Post
then there was the McCain rally where many in the audience were chanting "Kill Him!" when McCain mentioned Obama (and McCain did nothing in response).
I recall an article by Dana Milbank where one person at a Palin/McCain rally shouted "kill him" about Bill Ayers, not President Obama, and a separate incident where someone yelled "terrorist" about Obama while McCain was speaking. As ever, please feel free to prove me wrong.
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Old 25th August 2015, 03:17 PM   #92
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Originally Posted by thaiboxerken View Post
This Budget?
That's the one.



Quote:
http://docs.house.gov/billsthisweek/...9sa-1R_xml.pdf It's so sad that Sander's compromised to keep the government from shutting down.
The bill passed 64-36, he could've voted no without fear of the government shutting down if he wanted to.



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Sanders tried to deal with that compromise with this: http://vetlikeme.org/senator-bernie-sanders-veterans/
Good bill after the Republicans forced some compromises.
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Old 25th August 2015, 03:19 PM   #93
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Take some personal responsibility and work for what you want instead of demanding more and more handouts.
He did work for it, he earned it through sacrifice for our country.
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Old 25th August 2015, 03:26 PM   #94
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Originally Posted by carlitos View Post
I recall an article by Dana Milbank where one person at a Palin/McCain rally shouted "kill him" about Bill Ayers, not President Obama, and a separate incident where someone yelled "terrorist" about Obama while McCain was speaking. As ever, please feel free to prove me wrong.
In this video a spectator yells" kill Obama" while McCain is speaking.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RlCuLPgKuxs

I am thinking of another video in which McCain makes as face after hearing someone advocating Obama's death. I think it was in 2009, but I could be wrong. I'll keep looking for it
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Old 25th August 2015, 05:04 PM   #95
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Originally Posted by The_Animus View Post
It's not an opinion. His use of "will go down as" made it a prediction. I'd do an avatar bet but the 10-20 years needed for historical perspective is a bit of a long time to wait for resolution.

I feel people often use the word opinion incorrectly. The following is a great article about just that.

http://www.houstonpress.com/arts/no-...pdated-7611752
Of course it's an opinion. It's wrong, but it's an opinion.
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Originally Posted by NoahFence View Post
LOL

Shortsightedness is a super power now?

I'd like you to use bullet points and whatnot, and describe exactly how he will go down as the worst president in history. Hell he's not even the worst president of the last 10 years.
Obama is the worst DINO president we've had in the modern era,...so far. H. Clinton still has an opportunity to prove me wrong.
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Don't forget, Trump hasn't even begun capitalizing on his family yet in the context of the campaign. His daughters are extremely attractive, successful, poised and accomplished women. Once they get into the public eye promoting Trump, a great deal of the "Trump as anti-women" meme will be neutralized.
Oh, and that'll do him real swell! That trading-up to a new trophy wife every ten years is going to resound with the burping, farting and nutsack-scratching demographic but to the wives? Not so much. His female support group should include a lot of down-home women over 45, but that, in my humble estimation of women, is just the group of women who are likely to despise that particular privileged male benefit.

Again, the fact that Trump polls with women comparably well to the other passengers in the clown car only indicates that he has support among GOP women voters and that does not roll-out to the electorate in general. The moderate vote on immigration (not much of a viable faction that GOP candidates need worry about in Iowa, NH and SC) will kill him in the general election if he gets there. The women's vote will lower the coffin into the ground and sprinkle the first shovelful of dirt over it. If Trump's nominated, the GOP's only hope is that all the Latinos and Blacks stay home and that it's that time of month for women so they all don't feel like going to the polls.
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Oh, and that'll do him real swell! That trading-up to a new trophy wife every ten years is going to resound with the burping, farting and nutsack-scratching demographic but to the wives? Not so much. His female support group should include a lot of down-home women over 45, but that, in my humble estimation of women, is just the group of women who are likely to despise that particular privileged male benefit.

Again, the fact that Trump polls with women comparably well to the other passengers in the clown car only indicates that he has support among GOP women voters and that does not roll-out to the electorate in general. The moderate vote on immigration (not much of a viable faction that GOP candidates need worry about in Iowa, NH and SC) will kill him in the general election if he gets there. The women's vote will lower the coffin into the ground and sprinkle the first shovelful of dirt over it. If Trump's nominated, the GOP's only hope is that all the Latinos and Blacks stay home and that it's that time of month for women so they all don't feel like going to the polls.
Hm, I think your assessment misses the mark, but of course only time will tell. I live in a liberal urban area (Los Angeles) and haven't met any women who really seem to dislike him all that strongly. Most, even the ones who don't support him, seem to just shrug off the idea that he's anti-woman as part of his entertainment personality. And lots who do like him. But we'll have to wait and see, I guess.

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What is that? Fear of paradoxes?
It's little nuggets like this that sometimes make having swum through the cesspit worthwhile
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Another poll conducted by Reuters/Ipsos found Trump's female support fell slightly, from 26 percent on Aug. 3 to 20 percent the week after the GOP debate in Cleveland. However, a third of women randomly interviewed on the street in Pennsylvania by Gallup said they were Trump supporters and that their loyalty to him hasn't faltered. These numbers suggest Trump could lose fans here and there, but most of them are in it for the long haul.
Put another way, 80 percent of Republican women don't support Trump.
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The left has got its own Elfgrinders.
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If Trump's nominated, the GOP's only hope is that all the Latinos and Blacks stay home voter ID laws work as intended and that it's that time of month for women so they all don't feel like going to the polls.
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Put another way, 80 percent of Republican women don't support Trump.
Oh, come on, you can give even more shocking or damning numbers than that for every single one of the other candidates if you phrase it in that form (90% of Republican women don't support Bush, etc.) It doesn't support the fantasy that Trump is alienating women. By any objective measure, he's just simply NOT, even if it seems that he should be.

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Of course it's an opinion. It's wrong, but it's an opinion.
We call that a delusion. Words have meaning.
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Those who believe this are going to be sorely disappointed.
And, with luck will actually/physically be sore from all their clenching of ******** and gnashing of teeth and the beating their hands and feet take from punching/kicking solid objects in frustration.
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Oops, forgot the beating their heads against things also in frustration. This is much fun for the rest of us!!!!!
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Slinging accusations of overall racism in a group never really allows one to be a part of any meaningful discussion.
Not if the accusations are true - as they appear certainly to be.
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Another stellar moment from a Trumpster...

This is, believe it or not, a grown man saying to Jorge Ramos, "Get out of my country. Get out."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b04ae497051923

But you gotta admire them for their passion.
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Another stellar moment from a Trumpster...

This is, believe it or not, a grown man saying to Jorge Ramos, "Get out of my country. Get out."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b04ae497051923

But you gotta admire them for their passion.
One of our big Trump boosters here admits he support Trump simply because he is such a disruptive force in the election.
IMHO that is utter stupidity....supporting a man totally unfit to get withing 100 miles of the White House,and who is using bigotry as his main tool,just because his is "shaking things up".
Godwin be damned,this has to be said: This is the kind of thinking that gets people like Hitler elected to office.
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One of our big Trump boosters here admits he support Trump simply because he is such a disruptive force in the election.
IMHO that is utter stupidity....supporting a man totally unfit to get withing 100 miles of the White House,and who is using bigotry as his main tool,just because his is "shaking things up".
Godwin be damned,this has to be said: This is the kind of thinking that gets people like Hitler elected to office.
I think you're mistaken, and I don't understand the foundation for your statement. My understanding of history is not that Hitler rose to power just because a significant number of people wanted to "shake things up".

Part of the reason Hitler was able to rise to power, and was able to do what he did, is because the Weimar Republic was a very, very flawed and weak system of government. If he had risen to power in a system such as that of the United States, he would not have been able to do what he did. That's why I said in the other thread that if you have a genuine concern about this, then it's important to work towards changing the system. I have more faith in the system than you do to control individuals whom the electorate selects who might be inclined to attempt to push the boundaries of the powers granted to them by the Constitution.

Considering the fact that I believe our system is robust and resilient, and that the founders intended for the citizenry to rule itself, it is true that I would have absolutely no problem with the electorate deciding that a particular candidate was suitable simply because the current establishment needed to be "shaken up" or re-aligned and re-organized.

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Typical Red Sox fans.

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I think you're mistaken, and I don't understand the foundation for your statement. My understanding of history is not that Hitler rose to power just because a significant number of people wanted to "shake things up".

Part of the reason Hitler was able to rise to power, and was able to do what he did, is because the Weimar Republic was a very, very flawed and weak system of government. If he had risen to power in a system such as that of the United States, he would not have been able to do what he did. That's why I said in the other thread that if you have a genuine concern about this, then it's important to work towards changing the system. I have more faith in the system than you do to control individuals whom the electorate selects who might be inclined to attempt to push the boundaries of the powers granted to them by the Constitution.

Considering the fact that I believe our system is robust and resilient, and that the founders intended for the citizenry to rule itself, it is true that I would have absolutely no problem with the electorate deciding that a particular candidate was suitable simply because the current establishment needed to be "shaken up" or re-aligned and re-organized.
The flaws in the Weimar government (primarily the amount of power concentrated in the president) created some of the conditions that allowed Hitler to rise to power, but what allowed him to consolidate it was the use of violence by his supporters, and the more-or-less widespread acceptance of his blatantly unconstitutional laws and acts of government. And in a sense that acceptance was motivated by a desire to "shake things up", or rather, avoid the ever looming civil war.
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One of our big Trump boosters here admits he support Trump simply because he is such a disruptive force in the election.
IMHO that is utter stupidity....supporting a man totally unfit to get withing 100 miles of the White House,and who is using bigotry as his main tool,just because his is "shaking things up".
Godwin be damned,this has to be said: This is the kind of thinking that gets people like Hitler elected to office.
we may have to suspend Godwin's Law for the duration of this election.
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we may have to suspend Godwin's Law for the duration of this election.
Meh. Much ado about nothing. Even if Trump did try to deport people. Eisenhower deported all the illegal immigrants, too. Nobody was comparing him to the Nazis. It's just silly to do so in Trump's case, too, IMO.

I know, I know, very different circumstances in Eisenhower's day, etc. But I still think Godwin's law applies here. The comparisons to Hitler and the Nazis with regard to Trump are silly. Trump is running, and has the right to do so, as any other candidate does. He isn't breaking rules or seizing power. It's a presidential election. He's saying unusual and shocking things. Big deal.

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Slinging accusations of overall racism in a group never really allows one to be a part of any meaningful discussion.
To the GOP's credit, this time around they have a fairly diverse set of candidates. It's not just a bunch of old white guys with a token minority thrown in. Fiorina is surging, Carson has strong support, Cruz is beloved by the Tea Party, and Rubio is everyone's 2nd choice.

Ironically, it's the Democrats who are fixated, at the moment, on old white dudes.
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Ironically, it's the Democrats who are fixated, at the moment, on old white dudes.
Ahem. Old white dudes and an old white dudette.
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I think the worst-president derail is around 27 posts.

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The number of Trump supporters seems to be growing still. Do they have a great deal in common or are they each seeing something different when they look at Donald Trump?
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Old 27th August 2015, 03:48 PM   #118
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Originally Posted by Ladewig View Post
I think the worst-president derail is around 27 posts.

With a little luck, we may get this thread back on topic.


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The number of Trump supporters seems to be growing still. Do they have a great deal in common or are they each seeing something different when they look at Donald Trump?
I think so far the evidence presented (such as the article I posted a couple of weeks ago interviewing 30 different Trump supporters) shows that they do not necessarily have a lot in common with each other, and that different types of people are seeing different things or aspects in Trump that they find appealing.
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I think so far the evidence presented (such as the article I posted a couple of weeks ago interviewing 30 different Trump supporters) shows that they do not necessarily have a lot in common with each other, and that different types of people are seeing different things or aspects in Trump that they find appealing.
The common thread being that they are all idiots.
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With a little luck, we may get this thread back on topic.
The question of whether or not people who beat up and piss on the homeless are typical Trump supporters?
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