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Old 27th August 2015, 04:26 PM   #121
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Originally Posted by cornsail View Post
The question of whether or not people who beat up and piss on the homeless are typical Trump supporters?
I was thinking of stretching it a bit into "what are typical Trump supporters?"

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A post in another thread made me think of this thread.

If you could gather a few thousand Trump supporters and poll them, what questions would you ask.

I am kind of curious what numbers might turn up for "are you in favor of giving LEOs the right to stop anyone who appeared to be illegal and ask for papers?" And "should there be a law against knowingly giving aid and comfort to illegal aliens?"

ETA
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Old 27th August 2015, 05:06 PM   #122
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Originally Posted by Ladewig View Post
And "should there be a law against knowingly giving aid and comfort to illegal aliens?"

Quite macho jokester from Jalisco I do business with has a gay hairdresser son with no papers working/living near Sacramento.

When the family came (with visas) to see him I hear the kid was wired money, some of which was spent by them to visit Disneyland.

What should I do?
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Old 27th August 2015, 06:08 PM   #123
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Originally Posted by Doghouse Reilly View Post
I think so far the evidence presented (such as the article I posted a couple of weeks ago interviewing 30 different Trump supporters) shows that they do not necessarily have a lot in common with each other, and that different types of people are seeing different things or aspects in Trump that they find appealing.
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The common thread being that they are all idiots.
As is their candidate. He's not stupid, but he's not exactly sane either.
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Old 27th August 2015, 07:51 PM   #124
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Originally Posted by Ladewig View Post
And "should there be a law against knowingly giving aid and comfort to illegal aliens?
There already are such laws. They are enforced only rarely.
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Old 28th August 2015, 06:15 AM   #125
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I am not making excuses for Trump.
Quite honestly I don't see how anywould could think you did. But, as you know, asking for evidence is fine when you ask it of someone else. The person who gets asked, however...
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Old 28th August 2015, 06:37 AM   #126
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I lived in Vermont under Sanders he is still a socialist no matter what he says and voted I against him in every election.
What is it with Americans and that word? You have a LOT of socialism in the US and its various states, don't kid yourself.
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Old 28th August 2015, 08:22 AM   #127
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I'd like to comment but unfortunately I, like many other Britons, can't actually believe that any American honestly wishes for Trump to become President of the US. Mention Trump's name here and people burst out laughing. He's a joke, a figure of fun who happens to be a nasty bit of filth at the same time.
I, like many other Americans, also cannot believe that Trump has become a serious candidate for POTUS. I'm usually too dumbfounded to even put up an argument anytime I hear someone talking him up. And we have FIFTEEN MONTHS of this to go
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Old 28th August 2015, 05:35 PM   #128
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I, like many other Americans, also cannot believe that Trump has become a serious candidate for POTUS. I'm usually too dumbfounded to even put up an argument anytime I hear someone talking him up. And we have FIFTEEN MONTHS of this to go
the Trump supporters I see on Facebook just have this general anger that things are wrong and they think he'll make them right. Immigrants, blacks, liberals, GLBT, Muslims, Hispanics, the "politically correct" are just a collection of bogeymen that Trump will vanquish. They have this frightening fervor that he'll bring back what they think they lost, and will do so no matter what the cost. They demand a scapegoat to punish and Trump will give them all they want. We may have to suspend Godwin's Law until 2017 just to discuss his appeal.

Speaking of Godwin's Law:

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"Last April, perhaps in a surge of Czech nationalism, Ivana Trump told her lawyer Michael Kennedy that from time to time her husband reads a book of Hitler's collected speeches, My New Order, which he keeps in a cabinet by his bed ...
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/donal...#ixzz3k9y2iMFZ


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Mod WarningThe "Worst President in the last 50 years" discussion has been moved to a thread entitled...wait for it...

"The Worst President in the Last 50 Years".

Please move that conversation there.
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Old 31st August 2015, 01:05 PM   #130
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Originally Posted by Myron Proudfoot View Post
the Trump supporters I see on Facebook just have this general anger that things are wrong and they think he'll make them right. Immigrants, blacks, liberals, GLBT, Muslims, Hispanics, the "politically correct" are just a collection of bogeymen that Trump will vanquish. They have this frightening fervor that he'll bring back what they think they lost, and will do so no matter what the cost. They demand a scapegoat to punish and Trump will give them all they want. We may have to suspend Godwin's Law until 2017 just to discuss his appeal.

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Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/donal...#ixzz3k9y2iMFZ


http://www.businessinsider.com/donal...his-bed-2015-8
Trump is also getting some of the idiots who will support anybody who comes off as "anti establishment" and"against the status quo".
One of his biggest boosters here admits he supports Trump because he a "disruptive force in politics" and will "Shake up the system".
IMHO people who support somebody for those motives,regardless of what he preaches, are immature,juvenile,idiots.

As much as I despire Trump,I would want to get a more reliable source then Ivana before accepting that Hitler's speeches story.
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Old 1st September 2015, 03:33 AM   #131
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Trump just wants to get the US back on track to when we were envied by other countries and self supporting like making our own products and not importing cheap junk from China
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Old 1st September 2015, 04:24 AM   #132
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Trump just wants to get the US back on track to when we were envied by other countries and self supporting like making our own products and not importing cheap junk from China
Good one!
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Trump just wants to get the US back on track to when we were envied by other countries and self supporting like making our own products and not importing cheap junk from China
So he wants to depress wages in the USA so that he can have his own products manufactured here instead of China?

It takes a certain kind of ignorance to not realize that Trump is a hypocrite and has no real foundation of ideology other than to make himself wealthy.
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Typical Trump Supporters

I'm pretty sure that Trump's "products" -- American real estate assets -- were manufactured in the USA.
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Old 1st September 2015, 07:19 AM   #135
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Trump just wants to get the US back on track to when we were envied by other countries and self supporting like making our own products and not importing cheap junk from China
What conditions would make America envied by other countries?

Specifically, what conditions do you think Trump sees as necessary and sufficient to make other countries envious of the U.S.A.
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Typical Trump Supporters want their 1950s back.
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Typical Trump Supporters want MTV to be Lawrence Welk, Patti Page, Pat Boone (the real one not the weird old guy), Guy Lombardo, Giselle McKenzie, and Ethel Merman and the Elvis they knew and loved.
Oops, and Liberace 'cause he damn straight wasn't gay - that was all lies - and he plays so purty!!!

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Typical Trump Supporters want their 1950s back.
They were not called the good ole days for nothing
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They were not called the good ole days for nothing
Only by white, Christian men. It pretty much sucked for everyone else.
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Only by white, Christian men. It pretty much sucked for everyone else.
Growing up in the 50's and 60's was fun especially living on a farm in farming country.
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Originally Posted by COLONEL View Post
Trump just wants to get the US back on track to when we were envied by other countries and self supporting like making our own products and not importing cheap junk from China
What conditions would make America envied by other countries?

Specifically, what conditions do you think Trump sees as necessary and sufficient to make other countries envious of the U.S.A.
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Typical Trump Supporters want their 1950s back.
Typical Trump Supporters want their imaginary 1950s back. FTFY.
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Only by white, Christian men. It pretty much sucked for everyone else.
to Trump supporters no one else matters but white, Christian men.

wait, maybe he's referring to the 90% marginal tax rate on the rich? perhaps Colonel wants to tax the rich? Or he wants the strong industrial unions that existed then??
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Trump just wants to get the US back on track to when we were envied by other countries and self supporting like making our own products and not importing cheap junk from China
And just how will he do that?
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Originally Posted by COLONEL View Post
They were not called the good ole days for nothing
And in the 1950's Women , Blacks,Hispanics and Asians knew their place.....

And,yes I think a lot of the "take our country back" really means "Put White European Males back in total control of the country"...
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They were not called the good ole days for nothing
The book that minces that idea's meat: http://www.amazon.com/Way-We-Never-W...ings+weren%27t
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I have a theory that people on the Right see the 50's through rose colored glasses,and people on the Left see the Sixties through rose colored glasses,both ignoriing the reality.
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From 5 to 25, I saw from '50 to '70 (and then beyond) and with no rosy color - just what they were good and bad... TV was great, movies were too, lot's of good books and magazines much rich data!!!!
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Growing up in the 50's and 60's was fun especially living on a farm in farming country.
Born in W.VA and lived there (in Charleston spending time out around Elkview where family farm was ). And visited often from Nashville after we moved there just in time for me to start school. Lived city but a lot in the country!!!

That was '46-mid-60s counting trips even when in college!! Love W.Va
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to Trump supporters no one else matters but white, Christian men.

wait, maybe he's referring to the 90% marginal tax rate on the rich? perhaps Colonel wants to tax the rich? Or he wants the strong industrial unions that existed then??
I am good on both of those!!!! Though I'd be willing to drop the tax to 82% with no exemptions.
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Trump just wants to get the US back on track to when we were envied by other countries and self supporting like making our own products and not importing cheap junk from China
If Trump's goal is to make other countries envious of the U.S., then he needs to drop out of the race. No country on Earth is going to be envious of a country that elects Donald "no, you're a loser" Trump.

Furthermore, drastically reducing imports from China and the rest of Asia will not make other countries jealous.
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People really think having Donald Trump as president will make other nations envious of the US? ^^
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Only by white, Christian men. It pretty much sucked for everyone else.
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Growing up in the 50's and 60's was fun especially living on a farm in farming country.
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People really think having Donald Trump as president will make other nations envious of the US? ^^
Trump does, assuming he qualifies as "people".
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I have yet to see a "typical" Trump supporter emerge. A lot seem to be involved just for the excitement or to fulfill a need for a strong authoritarian figure, or a stern daddy as I have said elsewhere.

Much of the trivially inane policy he is spouting really may be for followers a lot like the fantasy of "Just wait till your dad get's home, young man!" Problems will be solved when the feared leader gets elected. His praise and love for certain groups is just feel good phony pap. Just a hypothesis that needs more work.

Now, Jeb! has identified certain weaknesses in the Trump shell of seeming invincibility. Remember that rich guy Howard Hughes? Surrounded himself with Mormons. Defied congress. Dared to be great. He was a germaphobe, and a very weird guy to those who knew him. Uh oh... Now for the "Which candidate are you?" quiz.

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Bush Gets Personal With ‘Germophobe’ Attack on Trump

In a strikingly personal attack, the quiz asks voters whether they would prefer a candidate who “is a germophobe [sic] when it comes to shaking hands,” a reference to Trump’s documented phobia, Bush, meanwhile is cast as a candidate who “strives to shake every hand everywhere.”
What will this do to the base of "typical Trumpies" image of him as "one of them"? Connecting the dots to Howard Hughes might be just a little disturbing for the masses. Are they ready for a president who is afflicted with an obsessive compulsive disorder?
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Much of the trivially inane policy he is spouting really may be for followers a lot like the fantasy of "Just wait till your dad get's home, young man!" Problems will be solved when the feared leader gets elected. His praise and love for certain groups is just feel good phony pap. Just a hypothesis that needs more work

What is scary is that (GODWIN ALERT! GODWIN ALERT) this was the mentality of a lot of the people who supported Hitler in Germany during his rise to power. That he really did not mean what he said about the Jews and would moderate his policies when he got into power.And we know where that led.
Frankly, even if it's just rhetoric, anybody who uses bigotry as a poltical weapon,whether he really means it or not,is not fit for public office,period.let alone the Presidency of the United States.
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What conditions would make America envied by other countries?



Specifically, what conditions do you think Trump sees as necessary and sufficient to make other countries envious of the U.S.A.

You are asking this as if it's hypothetical or conditional?
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Originally Posted by carlitos View Post
You are asking this as if it's hypothetical or conditional?
I am just trying to understand COLONEL's post.
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
What is scary is that (GODWIN ALERT! GODWIN ALERT) this was the mentality of a lot of the people who supported Hitler in Germany during his rise to power. That he really did not mean what he said about the Jews and would moderate his policies when he got into power.And we know where that led.
Frankly, even if it's just rhetoric, anybody who uses bigotry as a poltical weapon,whether he really means it or not,is not fit for public office,period.let alone the Presidency of the United States.
I've been trying to avoid the Godwin parallel, but Trump is actually if nothing else, unabashedly and proudly fascistic, in the authoritarian or totalitarian sense. He elevates bigotry, not even religious bigotry, to an art form, in a way that a Huckabee will never quite match.


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http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2015/08...f3ca0-39150565
...Trump’s positions on the issues are largely irrelevant to his success. None of his supporters care whether a wall across Mexico is remotely feasible or that he regularly flip-flops on the issues. What he is selling is attitude and a certain fascistic form of leadership. He will get things done, his supporters believe. And it’s less important what he will do than that he will do something.
Some Republicans seem genuinely enthralled with a "politician" who actually wants to do something...anything in opposition to their experience with a congress of their own making that cannot do anything.

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Additionally, Republicans are suffering from the gridlock that they themselves caused. We all know that nature abhors a vacuum, but I think it abhors gridlock as well. That has always been the appeal of fascism and it would be very foolish to believe that Americans are immune from its attractive qualities of getting things done that need to get done. And let us not forget that Trump is talking about genuine problems even if his solutions are simplistic or even wrongheaded.
Trump is also able to define arcane or potential problems for which he can then claim eventual though evanescent solutions. "Government is broken", is a favorite line which of course does not entail an explanation of who has broken it, nor how it will be fixed. It sounds at times as if Trump will govern by presidential fiat rather than by working with a congress loaded with "stupid leaders", something for which he upbraids Obama of course.
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