Typical Trump Supporters

[carlitos]

Well to his credit Trump is successfully trolling the opposition into thinking he's Hitler.

[Crossbow]

Originally Posted by Ladewig

From link:



As for your headline, I am doubtful that these are typical Trump supporters. If you have evidence of your assertion please post it.

Just in case anyone is interested, there was a good piece on the ‘Fresh Air’ just yesterday on how Donald Trump is very popular with white nationalist groups, and that the core of the Trump supporters are such individuals.

http://www.npr.org/2015/09/03/437195...n-donald-trump

How White Nationalist Groups Found Their Candidate In Donald Trump

This is FRESH AIR. I'm Terry Gross. When Donald Trump announced his candidacy, my guest, Evan Osnos, was reporting on extremist white rights groups. What he quickly discovered was that Trump's anti-immigration message was resonating with these groups. Osnos writes, quote, "ever since the Tea Party's peak in 2010 and its fade, citizens on the American far-right - patriot militias, border vigilantes, white supremacists - have searched for a standard-bearer, and now they'd found him. In the past, white nationalists, as they call themselves, had described Trump as a Jew lover, but the new tone of his campaign was a revelation," unquote. Osnos's article about Trump's white nationalist support was recently published in The New Yorker, where he's a staff writer covering politics and foreign affairs. Osnos was based in Beijing covering China for eight years. He returned to the U.S. two years ago. His book "Age Of Ambition: Chasing Fortune, Truth And Faith In The New China" won the 2014 National Book Award in nonfiction. Let's start with a clip from Trump's June 16 speech announcing his candidacy. These comments about Mexicans are an example of what sparked the approval of many white nationalists.

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TRUMP: It's true, and these aren't the best and the finest. When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people, but I speak to border guards, and they tell us what we're getting.

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OSNOS: We're not saying, by any means, that every Trump supporter is a white nationalist. In fact, what you see - Trump has this vast range of different kinds of supporters. You know, he's leading in all of the categories of Republican voters. So he leads on - he leads among men. He leads among women. He leads among moderate Republicans, and he leads among conservative Republicans. But what you see when you drill down on the numbers is that the broad majority of his support comes from two pools. And one pool are Americans without a college degree, and the other pool are Americans who feel that immigration threatens the future of the country.

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[carlitos]

NPR shows contempt for Americans without university degrees. That shocks me.

[Regnad Kcin]

Originally Posted by carlitos

NPR shows contempt for Americans without university degrees. That shocks me.

Critical thinking is your friend.

[Ladewig]

Originally Posted by Crossbow

Just in case anyone is interested, there was a good piece on the ‘Fresh Air’ just yesterday on how Donald Trump is very popular with white nationalist groups, and that the core of the Trump supporters are such individuals.

The core of Trump supporters are white nationalist groups?
I don't see the story supporting that claim.

Also, the issue that I was addressing in my post had to do with violence. I was questioning whether these two violent racists were "typical Trump supporters." I see nothing in the story showing that violence against minorities is a typical trait among Trump supporters.

[carlitos]

Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin

Critical thinking is your friend.

Indeed.

[Regnad Kcin]

Originally Posted by carlitos

Indeed.

Fine, I'll stop being coy. Can you point out to me how/where "NPR shows contempt for Americans without university degrees?"

[Crossbow]

[quote=Ladewig;10855922]The core of Trump supporters are white nationalist groups?
I don't see the story supporting that claim.[quote]

Oh really? Well then, perhaps you missed this bit:

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And so 12 days after Donald Trump announced his candidacy, the Daily Stormer, which is the largest neo-Nazi news site in America, endorsed him for president. And it said to its readers, we generally do not take a position in politics. We don't think politics has anything for us, but Donald Trump is saying the right things. He's talking about things in a way that we agree with, and for that reason, we're throwing our support behind him. And that, for me, was a signal that something was going on that I hadn't anticipated.

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Also, the issue that I was addressing in my post had to do with violence. I was questioning whether these two violent racists were "typical Trump supporters." I see nothing in the story showing that violence against minorities is a typical trait among Trump supporters.

Well, I seriously doubt that one can get accurate statistics from people who want to be violent towards minorities or anyone else.

[Ladewig]

Originally Posted by Crossbow

Originally Posted by Ladewig

The core of Trump supporters are white nationalist groups?
I don't see the story supporting that claim.

Oh really? Well then, perhaps you missed this bit:

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And so 12 days after Donald Trump announced his candidacy, the Daily Stormer, which is the largest neo-Nazi news site in America, endorsed him for president. And it said to its readers, we generally do not take a position in politics. We don't think politics has anything for us, but Donald Trump is saying the right things. He's talking about things in a way that we agree with, and for that reason, we're throwing our support behind him. And that, for me, was a signal that something was going on that I hadn't anticipated.

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Even if 100% of Neo-Nazis support Trump that doesn't necessarily mean that Neo-Nazis are represented in large enough numbers to be considered typical Trump supporters.

About 40% of the population identifies as Republican or Republican leaning. If Trump's numbers were around 25% (I.e. 25% of Republicans or Republican leaners). That means 10% of the population was supporting Trump a few weeks ago. If there are ~240 million Americans over 18, then we have 24 million Trump supporters.

So the question now becomes if you have a group of 24 million people, how large does a segment with common traits have to be before you can say that this particular segment "represents the typical supporter." 70%? 60%? 50%? 40%?

The second question is how many Neo-Nazis are there in the U.S.

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Well, I seriously doubt that one can get accurate statistics from people who want to be violent towards minorities or anyone else.

I concede that issue. While some folks might be prepared to argue otherwise, we can, for purposes of this thread, argue that self-identifying White Nationalists [ETA: more specifically, drunken White Nationalists] can be defined as violent enough to physically attack a minority person.

[NoahFence]

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Even if 100% of Neo-Nazis support Trump that doesn't necessarily mean that Neo-Nazis are represented in large enough numbers to be considered typical Trump supporters.

A good enough reason for me to confirm that Trump is a POS that doesn't deserve to be President. If he's the type of person who would garner the support of such a hateful, vile group of idiots, he's not the type of person who should run the country.

[ChristianProgressive]

How is Trump getting away with stunts like this by his security goons?

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.2348516

[Ladewig]

Originally Posted by ChristianProgressive

How is Trump getting away with stunts like this by his security goons?

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.2348516

To me, it appears that the answer is in the article: "As of midday Friday, no charges had been filed in the incident by either Galicia or Team Trump, the NYPD said."

[dudalb]

I don't quite buy the "Core of Trump Supporters are White Natiionalist/Racists" argument yet, but I do think that Trump seems to have no problem with accepting their support and welcoming them into his "movement" speaks tons about the political ethics of Donald Trump...or rather, his total lack of political ethics.

Laedwig:I think that the time for an intellectually detached view of Trump has passed. The man has got to be stopped.

[dudalb]

Originally Posted by NoahFence

A good enough reason for me to confirm that Trump is a POS that doesn't deserve to be President. If he's the type of person who would garner the support of such a hateful, vile group of idiots, he's not the type of person who should run the country.

THIS.

[hgc]

Originally Posted by NoahFence

A good enough reason for me to confirm that Trump is a POS that doesn't deserve to be President. If he's the type of person who would garner the support of such a hateful, vile group of idiots, he's not the type of person who should run the country.

Cherry on top: His response was, "people like me across the board," and "I'll repudiate him if it makes you feel better." He's one sick pup

[Skeptic Ginger]

My apologies if this bit of hilarity was previously posted:
Is there a profile of the average Trump supporter?

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Big Foot enthusiasts?
X-files fans?
People that religiously watch the Apprentice and threaten to sue Comcast Xfinity if a storm disrupts an episode?
People who don't wait to hear the whole answer to a question they themselves ask because they think they already know the answer and are already mentally on to the next topic?
Self-centered Xenophiles?
People who think the Great Wall of China was a simple answer to illegal immigration into the People's Republic?
People who are not 100% completely convinced that Hawaii is a state in the US?
Chia Pet collectors? (Google Chia Pet, you'll get it)
People who think that the only thing missing from the Taj Mahal is the giant words "Taj Ma" in metallic gold adorning the front of it?
People who think that tipping your waitress with advice on getting a better job rather than giving any actual money is "Classy"?
People who don't believe in the concept of a "Filter"?
And last, People who will look at this list and not see any humor or sarcasm in it.

There's a whole slew of answers and images on the web page.

[logger]

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

My apologies if this bit of hilarity was previously posted:
Is there a profile of the average Trump supporter?

There's a whole slew of answers and images on the web page.

Ginger it is well established your side has the low information voter. Conservatives and republicans in general are the most informed voter.

[thaiboxerken]

Originally Posted by logger

Ginger it is well established your side has the low information voter. Conservatives and republicans in general are the most informed voter.

Horse-pucky.

[hgc]

Originally Posted by logger

Ginger it is well established your side has the low information voter. Conservatives and republicans in general are the most informed voter.

You bet. For instance, they're well informed that Obama was born in Kenya. They're also well informed that Iraq had WMDs.

[Skeptic Ginger]

That is hilarious irony, logger. Who could possibly represent the low information voter any more clearly than Trump supporters?

[Ladewig]

Originally Posted by dudalb

Laedwig:I think that the time for an intellectually detached view of Trump has passed. The man has got to be stopped.

Ladewig.

I do not understand. How does my abandoning an intellectually detached view of Trump help in any way?

ETA:
In this very thread, I called him a bone head.
In other threads, I have called him a bull **** artist, a liar, a bigot, a loud-mouthed clown unqualified for political office. I have accused him of being xenophobic (and zenophobic), childish, misogynist, and dull-witted. I questioned his mental health and stability. I speculated that he might have a severe form of narcissistic personality disorder.

What view of Trump would you have me adopt?

[logger]

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

That is hilarious irony, logger. Who could possibly represent the low information voter any more clearly than Trump supporters?

Pop culture?
Who does support your side, they don't know very much, but they do know Beyoncé and Hillary Clinton. Lol

[logger]

Originally Posted by hgc

You bet. For instance, they're well informed that Obama was born in Kenya.

Lol
The only ones who are sure Obama was born in Kenya are Kenyans.

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They're also well informed that Iraq had WMDs.

Yes and ISIS has them now.

[Dog Town]

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

That is hilarious irony, logger. Who could possibly represent the low information voter any more clearly than Trump supporters?

FTW!
I'm going to go with:
Shillaries, for a $1000 Alex!

*Balloons Fall*

[Ladewig]

Originally Posted by Dog Town

FTW!
I'm going to go with:
Shillaries, for a $1000 Alex!

Please excuse my ignorance, but what are shillaries?

[Dog Town]

Originally Posted by Ladewig

Please excuse my ignorance, but what are shillaries?

Shill/Hill

[Ladewig]

Originally Posted by Dog Town

Shill/Hill

So shillaries (who were given as an example of low information voters) are shills who support Hillary Clinton?

ETA
or is it Hillary who is the shill? Therefore the candidate is Shillary and people who vote for her are Shillary supporters. But why shorten "Shillary supporters" to shillaries? If that is the case, then this is one of the stupidest political slurs since Limbaugh popularized "halfrican" as a way to describe President Obama's mixed-race heritage.

[COLONEL]

The Bottom line has been and still is now matter who wins the Got. will still be crooked and the American people will still be no better off then they are now.

[varwoche]

Originally Posted by hgc

You bet. For instance, they're well informed that Obama was born in Kenya. They're also well informed that Iraq had WMDs.

And death panels, sharia law in th US, global warming is a hoax, foreign policy based on biblical text, etc, etc, etc.

[ChristianProgressive]

I'd try to be cleaver with logger and pull the "does not mean what you think it means" joke, but he wouldn't get it.

How anyone can describe voters as "well informed" when they routinely vote for people who will (among other things):

• vote to send working class jobs overseas, then
• vote to reduce/eliminate unemployment insurance
• vote to destroy unions (who have raised wages, benefits, brought about the 40-hour workweek, etc)
• vote to reduce/eliminate their welfare benefits (Medicaid/Medicare, food stamps, etc)
• vote to reduce regulatory oversight that generally ensures cleaner air/land/water
• vote to make it more expensive to obtain higher education (which supposedly is key to economic prosperity)

And then say (with a straight face) that "the Republicans care more about me"...

[carlitos]

Very clever points.

[varwoche]

According to a recent survey, Trump supporters tend to be (1) less educated (2) more racist and (3) members of Teaparty. Shocking.

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[NoahFence]

Originally Posted by ChristianProgressive

I'd try to be cleaver with logger and pull the "does not mean what you think it means" joke, but he wouldn't get it.

How anyone can describe voters as "well informed" when they routinely vote for people who will (among other things):

• vote to send working class jobs overseas, then
• vote to reduce/eliminate unemployment insurance
• vote to destroy unions (who have raised wages, benefits, brought about the 40-hour workweek, etc)
• vote to reduce/eliminate their welfare benefits (Medicaid/Medicare, food stamps, etc)
• vote to reduce regulatory oversight that generally ensures cleaner air/land/water
• vote to make it more expensive to obtain higher education (which supposedly is key to economic prosperity)

And then say (with a straight face) that "the Republicans care more about me"...

Marketing.

[varwoche]

Originally Posted by varwoche

According to a recent survey, Trump supporters tend to be (1) less educated (2) more racist and (3) members of Teaparty. Shocking.

link

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And by no means should Trump himself be excluded. This from a townhall meeting today:

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Audience member: We have a problem in this country, it’s called Muslims. Our current President is one. We know he’s not even an American. We have training camps growing where they want to kill us. That’s my question, when can we get rid of them?

Trump: A lot of people are saying that and a lot of people are saying that bad things are happening out there. We’re going to be looking at that and a lot of different things.

[Ladewig]

Originally Posted by varwoche

And by no means should Trump himself be excluded. This from a townhall meeting today:

WTF?!

[thaiboxerken]

Originally Posted by Ladewig

WTF?!

Trump is either racist or pandering to racists.

[logger]

Originally Posted by ChristianProgressive

How anyone can describe voters as "well informed" when they routinely vote for people who will (among other things):

And you vote for people that are so incredibly hostile to your professed faith?

This forums largest enemy by far is who ChristianProgressive? Your Christian God.

[quixotecoyote]

Originally Posted by logger

And you vote for people that are so incredibly hostile to your professed faith?

This forums largest enemy by far is who ChristianProgressive? Your Christian God.

Nah, we're generally ok with his Christian God.

Your Christian God, on the other hand, is a right prick.

[Crossbow]

Originally Posted by varwoche

And by no means should Trump himself be excluded. This from a townhall meeting today:

Thanks much for posting that bit from the townhall meeting.

I was about to do the same thing as an example of a typical Trump supporter.

[thaiboxerken]

Originally Posted by quixotecoyote

Nah, we're generally ok with his Christian God.

Your Christian God, on the other hand, is a right prick.

Yep. CP's Jesus is a peace-loving, nice guy that wants everyone to help the poor, sick and disparaged.

Logger's Jesus is a bigoted punk that hates people of color, the weak, the poor and anyone that isn't lining his pockets with money.