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Old 2nd November 2016, 11:08 AM   #361
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
If Trump wins, I am expecteing a huge uptick in violence directed at minorities.
I figure this will happen either way. I am expecting an uptick in political violence on the far right no matter who wins.
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Old 2nd November 2016, 02:30 PM   #362
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Congratulations. You are now going to be an official, proper sort of poll watcher. The kind they have everywhere, but not the sort the loonier trumpers are looking for. Do you have cammo fatuiges and an AR-15?
Yep, I'm an official part of the official officialness.

Oh! Better do this right!

TrumpTrooper Update:
Just got back from 4 hours watching nothing exciting happen. I saw the official county election judges doing their best to help an old man who had lost his wallet. They ended up accepting his name on a piece of joint paperwork his wife found in her purse. I saw a judge wander over to a deaf couple and use clumsy but functional ASL to help them get the ID issues organized.

I have no idea what naive and ignorant vision Trump had for sending observers out to watch the election, but this is the real deal: what I'm doing is within the ordinary mechanics of the election, approved and legal at Federal, State and County levels. Any "watcher" who hasn't taken the Secretary of State's training gets a yellow lanyard and you can stay the hell over there and watch. I got a green lanyard and was allowed to see stuff the judges were doing, including looking over their shoulders at the voter registration database.

Trump's original idiotic call to action would have untrained derps interfering with the Secretary of State-appointed judges with no authorization, authority, agency, legitimacy, freedom of movement or ability to actually do the job of Poll Watching in any functional, or efficatious manner. And it would be very easy for a gaggle of ignorant dipwads to break laws at county, state and federal level.

I saw nothing worthy of comment, excessive curiosity or paperwork.

Saturday I will be at County watching some portion of morning ballot handling and preparations.

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Old 2nd November 2016, 02:31 PM   #363
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Lol sure go talk with them, they aren't the ones the world is concerned over.
I do. Almost every day. Nadir is one of my gym buddies. I was saying that you should actually talk to one instead of living in fear.

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And I doubt you even understand that, your whole premise I've been playing with is just simple denial.
Judging by your flailing around with the Scotsman, you don't understand my premise.

Now then, are you voting for the guy who wants to stirs gain of their rights?
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Old 2nd November 2016, 03:09 PM   #364
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Originally Posted by 332nd View Post
I do. Almost every day. Nadir is one of my gym buddies. I was saying that you should actually talk to one instead of living in fear.


Judging by your flailing around with the Scotsman, you don't understand my premise.

Now then, are you voting for the guy who wants to stirs gain of their rights?
Yup, I probably know more practicing Muslims than Christians. I do know some Biblical literalists as well, but they tend to be wrong-headed on many other things so I try to avoid them.
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Old 2nd November 2016, 03:27 PM   #365
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Originally Posted by 332nd View Post
I do. Almost every day. Nadir is one of my gym buddies. I was saying that you should actually talk to one instead of living in fear.
Dear, its not fear, its reality. Have you ever asked him why muslims are running around the world causing mayhem wherever they go? What does he say about Jihad? How does he defend Muhammad's zeal to spread Islam by the sword.

Finally, how is it that leftists like you seem to have a soft spot for the most violent religion ever created, then as people question it, its all about fear. It really is a ridiculous premise you're pedaling here.


Yes, I know your answer will be "not my muslim friends, they're good muslims" well that's wonderful, theirs billions who would like to cut your head off. Who needs a head when sand covers so much of it?
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Old 2nd November 2016, 03:30 PM   #366
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Finally, how is it that leftists like you seem to have a soft spot for the most violent religion ever created, then as people question it, its all about fear. It really is a ridiculous premise you're pedaling here.
The number of Jihadists vs how many Muslims there are in the world is so small as to almost be laughable, were it not for that small number being so violent.

The large number if morons insisting that all Muslims subscribe to Jihad is also laughable.

So thanks for that.
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Old 2nd November 2016, 03:35 PM   #367
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The number of Jihadists vs how many Muslims there are in the world is so small as to almost be laughable, were it not for that small number being so violent.
Total BS. You haven't a clue, you're simply in denial.
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So thanks for that.
You're reading with nothing but emotion again, I never said all were, way too many are. Muslims have to ignore what the book says and "choose" to not be apart of actual Islam.
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Old 2nd November 2016, 03:36 PM   #368
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Dear, its not fear, its reality. Have you ever asked him why muslims are running around the world causing mayhem wherever they go? What does he say about Jihad? How does he defend Muhammad's zeal to spread Islam by the sword.

Finally, how is it that leftists like you seem to have a soft spot forthe most violent religion ever created, then as people question it, its all about fear. It really is a ridiculous premise you're pedaling here.


Yes, I know your answer will be "not my muslim friends, they're good muslims" well that's wonderful, theirs billions who would like to cut your head off. Who needs a head when sand covers so much of it?
Facts, in response to the bold assertion
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...-most-violent/
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Facts, in response to the bold assertion
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...-most-violent/
Opinion, that anyone who follows the news can see is crap.
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Old 2nd November 2016, 03:57 PM   #370
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Logger has apparently never heard of the Crusades, the Inqusition,the Religious Wars in Europe in the 16th and 17th century,, the Witch Hysteria,the Persecution of the Jews in the Middle Ages,etc. Not trying to defend the record of Islam...which is not quite as good when it comes to tolerance as some Historians have it...but Christinity is no damn better.
Yes, Islam is going through a bad period, but so did Christanity.
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Old 2nd November 2016, 04:01 PM   #371
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Logger has apparently never heard of the Crusades, the Inqusition,the Religious Wars in Europe in the 16th and 17th century,, the Witch Hysteria,the Persecution of the Jews in the Middle Ages,etc. Not trying to defend the record of Islam...which is not quite as good when it comes to tolerance as some Historians have it...but Christinity is no damn better.
Yes, Islam is going through a bad period, but so did Christanity.
But but but 2016 now!!! "Christendom" hasn't made war on anyone for at least a week.
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Logger has apparently never heard of the Crusades, the Inqusition,the Religious Wars in Europe in the 16th and 17th century,, the Witch Hysteria,the Persecution of the Jews in the Middle Ages,etc. Not trying to defend the record of Islam...which is not quite as good when it comes to tolerance as some Historians have it...but Christinity is no damn better.
Yes, Islam is going through a bad period, but so did Christanity.
Heck. I know a 'Christian' who advocates that all 'leftists' should be rounded up, and sent to the coast, or to camps or something. Should I apply that to ALL Christians?
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Old 2nd November 2016, 04:04 PM   #373
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Opinion, that anyone who follows the news can see is crap.
Facts are not opinions. Facts are not limited to a myopic, cherry-picked view of history that starts in 1956.
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Total BS. You haven't a clue, you're simply in denial.


You're reading with nothing but emotion again, I never said all were, way too many are. Muslims have to ignore what the book says and "choose" to not be apart of actual Islam.
Way too many, huh?

Give me a number. How many muslims are there and how many are jihadists?
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Maybe you should all take your Jihad to its own thread.
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Logger has apparently never heard of the Crusades, the Inqusition,the Religious Wars in Europe in the 16th and 17th century,, the Witch Hysteria,the Persecution of the Jews in the Middle Ages,etc. Not trying to defend the record of Islam...which is not quite as good when it comes to tolerance as some Historians have it...but Christinity is no damn better.
Yes, Islam is going through a bad period, but so did Christanity.
Sure I have, they were the wrong answer to Islam. But it gets a little tiresome when Islam does these things, the anti god atheists and skeptics here want to bring up the ills of Christianity from the 16th and 17th century. None of you can lay blame on what is happening NOW. Its clear most of you have a soft spot for Islam, that's fine with me, it actually makes sense that you would align with it.
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Sure I have, they were the wrong answer to Islam. But it gets a little tiresome when Islam does these things, the anti god atheists and skeptics here want to bring up the ills of Christianity from the 16th and 17th century. None of you can lay blame on what is happening NOW. Its clear most of you have a soft spot for Islam, that's fine with me, it actually makes sense that you would align with it.
Horse poop and off topic, with an ad hom chaser.

This thread is about Trump's Little Stormtroopers.
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Dear, its not fear, its reality. Have you ever asked him why muslims are running around the world causing mayhem wherever they go?
... it's not fear but we should be afraid of the mayhem? Of all 1.whatever billion of them?
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What does he say about Jihad?
They, I know several. Of course all of them struggle with different things. As far as a military Jihad? None agree with ISIS, ISIL, etc...

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How does he defend Muhammad's zeal to spread Islam by the sword.
They don't agree with it.

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Finally, how is it that leftists like you seem to have a soft spot for the most violent religion ever created, then as people question it, its all about fear. It really is a ridiculous premise you're pedaling here.
Questioning Islam is fine. Pretending that you know how every Muslim feels, thinks, behaves, etc... is just stupidity born from fear

Using the "logic" you've displayed here, I should've run from my wife the first time she said "hi" because she's white.


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Yes, I know your answer will be "not my muslim friends, they're good muslims" well that's wonderful, theirs billions who would like to cut your head off. Who needs a head when sand covers so much of it?
Whoops, you were wrong!

Now then, for the third time ( since you keep running from the question) Are you going to vote for a guy that is willing to strip gays of their rights?
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Old 3rd November 2016, 01:03 AM   #380
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Trumpistas beware!
The reason why the coalition let's ISIS fighters via a corridor out of Mossul is so they can vote for Clinton!
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Some crusaders / storm troopers / not-jihadists getting ready.
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Why is that a surprise? Most of rural USA is a third world country.
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Background on the movement generally
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Back in Georgia, the Three Percent Security Force wrapped up rifle practice in the midday sun. They then headed further into the trees to tackle an obstacle course with loaded pistols at their sides, ready for whatever may come.

“We’ve building up for this, just like the Marines,” he said. “We are going to really train harder and try to increase our operational capabilities in the event that this is the day that we hoped would never come.”
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I hate Alex Jones, but, frankly, this is the kind of mischief that happens in every election. Sending moles to an opponents rally to protest or try to embarrass the candidate is and old,old,American political practice. It is just getting more coverage this year because of the high level of tension.
Where Jones is stupid is in blurting it out in front of God and everybody.

BTW I am would make a bet on Jones. If Trump is elected, in a few months he will turn On Trump when Trump...as is inevitable, backs down on some of his more flamboyant statements, and begins to schoomze with some of the Wall Street insiders he now denounce,Jones will scream that Donald has Sold OUt To the Man. Jones has even suggested is a couple of places the possibility that Donald is a con man, though Jones "thinks" he is the read deal.
Jones makes his living by fighting against the man and the Vast Evil Forces Controlling the US Government. It's his shtick. He HAS to Turn on whoever is in the White House.
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I hate Alex Jones, but, frankly, this is the kind of mischief that happens in every election. Sending moles to an opponents rally to protest or try to embarrass the candidate is and old,old,American political practice. It is just getting more coverage this year because of the high level of tension.
Where Jones is stupid is in blurting it out in front of God and everybody.

BTW I am would make a bet on Jones. If Trump is elected, in a few months he will turn On Trump when Trump...as is inevitable, backs down on some of his more flamboyant statements, and begins to schoomze with some of the Wall Street insiders he now denounce,Jones will scream that Donald has Sold OUt To the Man. Jones has even suggested is a couple of places the possibility that Donald is a con man, though Jones "thinks" he is the read deal.
Jones makes his living by fighting against the man and the Vast Evil Forces Controlling the US Government. It's his shtick. He HAS to Turn on whoever is in the White House.
I think you sell Trump short. I believe he can deftly continue to string along his faithful while selling them out. They are mentally invested in him.
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I think you sell Trump short. I believe he can deftly continue to string along his faithful while selling them out. They are mentally invested in him.

I agree, but I can't see Jones playing the loyal supporter for ANYBODY in the White House since his whole career is based on violent opposition to The Man.
I also think you can't lump all Trump supporter together. I think here is a hard core into the personality cult, where as you have another bunch who are probably a little skeptical simply because Trump is ,despite his rhetoric, such an obvious establishment figure.
There is so much we just don't know...like how much of Trump's policies are just cons to get the suckers to vote for him, and how much he might actually means. I really hope we don't have to find out.
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http://www.politico.com/story/2016/1...d-trump-230716

Looks as though Donald is indeed sleeping with the enemy........given how rants against "Goldman and Sachs" are common among the Trumpistas.


Just more proof his whole anti establishment,anti Wall Street pose is a bunch of B.S. to fool the rubes.
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... it's not fear but we should be afraid of the mayhem? Of all 1.whatever billion of them?
Afraid of it? We should defeat it!



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They don't agree with it.
Ahh yes, part of the picking and choosing.

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Questioning Islam is fine. Pretending that you know how every Muslim feels, thinks, behaves, etc... is just stupidity born from fear
Never said how every muslim feels, you're again putting words in my mouth, probably born of fear.
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Using the "logic" you've displayed here, I should've run from my wife the first time she said "hi" because she's white.
Who really cares I don't. You throw fear around like candy, do you have a chip or something?


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About what?
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Now then, for the third time ( since you keep running from the question) Are you going to vote for a guy that is willing to strip gays of their rights?
What are you talking about? Is this another fear of yours?
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Why is that a surprise? Most of rural USA is a third world country.
Actually rural USA will survive longer than any other community, why, because they're self sustaining. Most importantly they have lead and aren't going to be willing to share when the liberal hordes come to be fed.
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Actually rural USA will survive longer than any other community, why, because they're self sustaining. Most importantly they have lead and aren't going to be willing to share when the liberal hordes come to be fed.
This shows a staggering ignorance of the realities of the vast majority of agriculture in the US. I'm a country boy, and if **** hits the fan such that society is breaking down, you don't have till harvest season to get your crop in to eat. You depend on trade and transport to get other food from a vast network of other farmers, just like everyone else. There are some who have products that could be used year round, and many do stockpile some food, but those are as likely to be hippies or liberals like my brother and his girlfriend as you right-wing tribalists (and yes, we have lead too).

Besides that, you're just not as important nor as independent as you think. Many people who live in cities have farming skill too, having come from farms in their childhood. Just because you don't choose to do something doesn't mean you can't. You're just as replaceable as anyone else, especially with logging.
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Actually rural USA will survive longer than any other community, why, because they're self sustaining. Most importantly they have lead and aren't going to be willing to share when the liberal hordes come to be fed.
Living in a state covered in wheat or corn fields does not make a person, family or community "self sustaining" at any level or in any sense of the term. And when your tractor runs out of diesel, you're back to dragging a stick behind an ox, if you can find an ox.
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Actually rural USA will survive longer than any other community, why, because they're self sustaining. Most importantly they have lead and aren't going to be willing to share when the liberal hordes come to be fed.
Been watching Mad Max again, have we? Paleos just can't help themselves from fantasizing over post-apocalyptic warlord societies where their bullets get them more votes.

In the meanhow, rural America is shrinking faster than the sea is rising. The US Census counts "actual" rural America as representing 20% of the population.
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Old 3rd November 2016, 09:46 PM   #394
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Gawd damn it...

Maddow just had a short segment on a voter suppression/trolling campaign of official looking "Paid for by Hillary for President" messages saying to vote by phone/e-mail/"text to xxxxx".

Not that it'll have much impact, but just how *********** low can this cycle get?
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
If Trump wins, I am expecteing a huge uptick in violence directed at minorities.
Unfortunately that might happen either way.
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Unfortunately that might happen either way.
Yeah, I can see the deplorables taking either result as an excuse to be deplorable.
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Good article on how the White Nationalists have inflirtrated the Trump Campaign.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/sto...t-right-214388

It does the best job of explaining why the White Nationalists have such love for Trump despite his Jewish connections and why Donald has de facto accepted their support,when any other GOP candidate would have ran away from them.

So the party of Lincoln has come to this....
Trump disavows these groups. He said so recently. I believe America could have had better candidates and I also feel that its a sorry state of affairs when this is as good as we can do. I'm not a Trump fan but overall he's better than Hillary.
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Originally Posted by logger View Post
Sure I have, they were the wrong answer to Islam. But it gets a little tiresome when Islam does these things, the anti god atheists and skeptics here want to bring up the ills of Christianity from the 16th and 17th century. None of you can lay blame on what is happening NOW. Its clear most of you have a soft spot for Islam, that's fine with me, it actually makes sense that you would align with it.
How about something a little more recent like the killing of abortion doctors and bombing of clinics?
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Trump disavows these groups. He said so recently. I believe America could have had better candidates and I also feel that its a sorry state of affairs when this is as good as we can do. I'm not a Trump fan but overall he's better than Hillary.
Actually I don't recall ever hearing Trump disavow these groups; it's been his surrogates stating this. And he has openly courted them starting with the Birther claims, re-tweeting fake, racist statistics and hiring Steve Bannon who is immersed in the alt-right, racist, misogynist groups.
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Originally Posted by Cainkane1 View Post
I'm not a Trump fan but overall he's better than Hillary.
Not in any measure conceivable by reality or imagination.

Frankly, I'd wager even her dick is bigger than his.
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