Trump's Little Stormtroopers.... - Page 13

logger · 7th November 2016, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by ponderingturtle

So cannibalism is priority number 1? I guess those movies were right about country people, they really are all inbred cannibals at least by their goals.

We would only eat the libs!
They're usually fat and ugly.

LSSBB · 7th November 2016, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by ponderingturtle

So cannibalism is priority number 1? I guess those movies were right about country people, they really are all inbred cannibals at least by their goals.

So I'm not the only one with images of The Road popping into my head reading this apocalyptic bragfest.

Jrrarglblarg · 7th November 2016, 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by logger

Yes I know, and no I'm not going to knock it off, when you can post something from the right, I'll maybe believe you.

How the hell is that? We haven't discussed duration or severity.

It was only a general statement!

I've never said I was a right winger either. Pay attention. I'm an armed Buddhist. My first DD214 was carved on tree bark with a sharp rock, and I've enlisted twice to defend the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic.

Narrow minded binary party-idolatry is not an ideological framework for grownup thinking, it's letting others do your thinking for you. I don't stand on enery plank in the republican platform, or the democratic platform. I registered Green for Gore as a low value statistical protest, then registered Republican for McCain, same logic.

Now if you don't mind, I'll report you the next time you call me a *********** leftist.

logger · 7th November 2016, 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by Jrrarglblarg

I've never said I was a right winger either. Pay attention. I'm an armed Buddhist. My first DD214 was carved on tree bark with a sharp rock, and I've enlisted twice to defend the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic.

I never said you were, but most moderates agree with some things on the right and some things on the left.

Quote:

Narrow minded binary party-idolatry is not an ideological framework for grownup thinking, it's letting others do your thinking for you. I don't stand on enery plank in the republican platform, or the democratic platform. I registered Green for Gore as a low value statistical protest, then registered Republican for McCain, same logic.

Being grownup is being strong in core beliefs, if you can go from Gore to McCain and back to Hillary, you're a bit out of focus.

McCain and Gore don't really agree on much, it shows your beliefs blow with the wind.

Quote:

Now if you don't mind, I'll report you the next time you call me a *********** leftist.

I double dog dare you!

LSSBB · 7th November 2016, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by logger

I never said you were, but most moderates agree with some things on the right and some things on the left.

Being grownup is being strong in core beliefs, if you can go from Gore to McCain and back to Hillary, you're a bit out of focus.

McCain and Gore don't really agree on much, it shows your beliefs blow with the wind.

I double dog dare you!

I guess Trump is not a grownup according to your standards. Got it. And the personal attacks continue.

How about Trump's little stormtroopers?

Signed,

A Conservative. And strong in my core beliefs.

Jrrarglblarg · 7th November 2016, 12:26 PM

TrumpTrooper Update:

As mentioned upthread I answered Trump's clarion call to get out and watch the polls. I started by contacting team Trump, who sent my data to the chair of of the Republican Party office in my county. They provided a training session, plus we, official Poll Watchers, are required to take an online course from the Colorado Secretary of State. The GOP office then scheduled us to Watch in various locations.

On Saturday I took my two certifications to the county clerk and recorder building where the actual vote counting process takes place. Not much action, a few boxes of ballots trickling in from collection stations, but I was able to observe the entire process from full box of ballots coming in to counted and resolved ballots upstairs.

I will be observing the count Tuesday evening. It will be very boring. I looked at the entire operation with the remnants of my 12-year-old master shoplifter skills and found very few places in this system to inject shenanigans. And the ones I found would be easily caught by the mechanics of the system.

I feel confident declaring this county difficult to rig, at the ballot boxes or the counting. Every step of the way the system uses two-person control with bipartisan teams to physically handle boxes, unlock sealed boxes, run the sealed mailed-in ballots through signature verification, open the envelopes and unfold them, prep them for optical scanners, run the scanners, adjudicate any ballots the scanner cannot read, and tabulate to final results.

Jrrarglblarg · 7th November 2016, 12:29 PM

Quote:

Being grownup is being strong in core beliefs, if you can go from Gore to McCain and back to Hillary, you're a bit out of focus.

McCain and Gore don't really agree on much, it shows your beliefs blow with the wind.

Quite a few assumptions in there. Not the thread to unpack your confusion, so let's just put a pin in that for later, shall we?

snoop_doxie · 7th November 2016, 12:58 PM

Quote:

I feel confident declaring this county difficult to rig, at the ballot boxes or the counting. Every step of the way the system uses two-person control with bipartisan teams to physically handle boxes, unlock sealed boxes, run the sealed mailed-in ballots through signature verification, open the envelopes and unfold them, prep them for optical scanners, run the scanners, adjudicate any ballots the scanner cannot read, and tabulate to final results.

Thanks for this, Jrrarglblarg.

Interesting and educational.

logger · 7th November 2016, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by LSSBB

I guess Trump is not a grownup according to your standards. Got it. And the personal attacks continue.

How about Trump's little stormtroopers?

Signed,

A Conservative. And strong in my core beliefs.

Keep making the arguments for the other side, maybe someday someone will think you're conservative.

Captain_Swoop · 7th November 2016, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by ponderingturtle

And if say you run it on vegitable oil from your own rape seeds you still need things like spare parts.

Warehouses and dealerships full of parts, and other cars.

jimbob · 7th November 2016, 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by logger

Keep making the arguments for the other side, maybe someday someone will think you're conservative.

How is favouring someone who aims to violate the fourth to eighth amendments, as well as the first "conservative"?

Despite what you might think, Clinton is not going to violate the second amendment.

LSSBB · 7th November 2016, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by logger

Keep making the arguments for the other side, maybe someday someone will think you're conservative.

I am a critical thinker, not a slave to whatever some poster on the internet thinks a conservative is.

ETA: no defense of Trump's lack of being a grownup, due to his waffling?

logger · 7th November 2016, 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by LSSBB

I am a critical thinker, not a slave to whatever some poster on the internet thinks a conservative is.

ETA: no defense of Trump's lack of being a grownup, due to his waffling?

Is Trump closer to your politics than Clinton?

gypsyjackson · 7th November 2016, 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by Jrrarglblarg

TrumpTrooper Update:

I will be observing the count Tuesday evening. It will be very boring. I looked at the entire operation with the remnants of my 12-year-old master shoplifter skills and found very few places in this system to inject shenanigans. And the ones I found would be easily caught by the mechanics of the system.

I observed a count in the UK once, when my little brother was running for local office (he knew he would lose overall, but he wanted to beat UKIP to third place and did, just). It was as all UK elections, pencil on paper. I found it quite fun, rather than boring. Whenever a questionable mark was found, the 'teller' would show the assembled observers the ballot paper and explain his reasons for accepting or rejecting a vote for one of the candidates; if anyone disputed this it would be left to the end to see if the total number of weird votes could affect the result.

The number of people who put a circle in the box rather than a cross was staggering. It's been a cross for the history of elections! However it still counts.

logger · 7th November 2016, 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by jimbob

How is favouring someone who aims to violate the fourth to eighth amendments, as well as the first "conservative"?

How is it that you can make things up out of thin air?

Quote:

Despite what you might think, Clinton is not going to violate the second amendment.

Yes, because she doesn't have the congress. If Obama had the congress, wouldn't he have severely restricted guns? Just like hills would.

Spindrift · 7th November 2016, 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by logger

How is it that you can make things up out of thin air?

If it's good enough for Donald, it's good enough for everyone.

quadraginta · 8th November 2016, 01:29 AM

Originally Posted by logger

Is Trump closer to your politics than Clinton?

Trump's politics are whatever he thinks the people he's talking to at that moment want to hear.

Kind of hard to pin that down, isn't it?

Madalch · 8th November 2016, 02:27 AM

Originally Posted by gypsyjackson

The number of people who put a circle in the box rather than a cross was staggering. It's been a cross for the history of elections! However it still counts.

Presumably, the Jews and Muslims don't want to make a Christian symbol.

LSSBB · 8th November 2016, 05:13 AM

Originally Posted by logger

Is Trump closer to your politics than Clinton?

Trump is a Trumpian. I am a conservative, so no. He is whatever he needs to be to get attention and power.

gypsyjackson · 8th November 2016, 05:24 AM

Originally Posted by Madalch

Presumably, the Jews and Muslims don't want to make a Christian symbol.

Heh. And maybe English people don't want to use a Scottish symbol.

Might make it hard to e ercise their democratic rights, though.

Jrrarglblarg · 8th November 2016, 06:37 AM

We fill in the whol box, not a cross or circle, but apparently it's common for people to write "no" in the box for issues, and gods forbid you mark the roaring box and desire to correct it. The instructions for that are apparently way too complicated for the kind of people who mismark an important once-ever document.

logger · 8th November 2016, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by LSSBB

Trump is a Trumpian. I am a conservative, so no. He is whatever he needs to be to get attention and power.

I'm not surprised by your non answer. I agree Trump has waffled on some issues, but you know where hills is and by voting Johnson, you're contributing to her vote count.

The reason you gave a non answer is because you're not truly serious about conservatism, that is why you're able to throw away your vote. Many times I've had to vote for the lesser of two evils, you seem happy to have the lib elected. You follow a pattern of fake conservatives.

NoahFence · 8th November 2016, 10:22 AM

Take off your blinders, Logger.

Hillary's actually pretty centrist. You act as if she's a radical leftist.

logger · 8th November 2016, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by NoahFence

Take off your blinders, Logger.

Hillary's actually pretty centrist. You act as if she's a radical leftist.

Lol

There aren't any centrist dems, used to be, not anymore.

NoahFence · 8th November 2016, 10:31 AM

Uh, yes there are.

There used to be rational righties. Not anymore.

ponderingturtle · 8th November 2016, 10:33 AM

Originally Posted by NoahFence

Take off your blinders, Logger.

Hillary's actually pretty centrist. You act as if she's a radical leftist.

Yea she hits right around the RINO Reagan. No one would ever mistake him for a conservative.

The Great Zaganza · 8th November 2016, 10:34 AM

logger, why don't you have a look at Reagan's, Nixon's or Bush Sr. policies?

For most, they are left of Clinton's...

NoahFence · 8th November 2016, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

logger, why don't you have a look at Reagan's, Nixon's or Bush Sr. policies?

For most, they are left of Clinton's...

That would require work, and upon a response, honesty.

jimbob · 8th November 2016, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by logger

Originally Posted by jimbob

How is favouring someone who aims to violate the fourth to eighth amendments, as well as the first "conservative"?

How is it that you can make things up out of thin air?

Quote:

Despite what you might think, Clinton is not going to violate the second amendment.

Yes, because she doesn't have the congress. If Obama had the congress, wouldn't he have severely restricted guns? Just like hills would.

Originally Posted by Spindrift

If it's good enough for Donald, it's good enough for everyone.

Except that Trump's stated policies would violate several of them

First Amendment - freedom of religion - doesn't square with banning Muslims.
Second Amendment - OK on this one
Third Amendment - OK on this one
Fourth Amendment - some of Trump's proposed policies towards supposed domestic terrorists, his promise to lock up Clinton.
Fifth Amendment - I'd have thought that torture violates this one
Sixth Amendment - Torture looks to probably violate this
Seventh Amendment - OK fair call, it doesn't look to violate this
Eighth Amendment - if torture isn't cruel and unusual then I don't know what is

Captain_Swoop · 8th November 2016, 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by jimbob

Eighth Amendment - if torture isn't cruel and unusual then I don't know what is

It depends, are you putting Fuelair in charge of the punishment?

Jrrarglblarg · 8th November 2016, 06:26 PM

TrumpTrooper Update:
Sitting waiting at the grownup store for a preroll in on the way to watch the count.

{edit. To add}
Short line! Radio silence until the count is over. Jrrarglblarg out.

applecorped · 8th November 2016, 10:05 PM

Noztradamus · 8th November 2016, 10:14 PM

Originally Posted by gypsyjackson

The number of people who put a circle in the box rather than a cross was staggering. It's been a cross for the history of elections! However it still counts.

What if they put a tick instead of a cross? Isn't that really confusing?

Noztradamus · 8th November 2016, 10:19 PM

Originally Posted by Jrrarglblarg

We fill in the whol box, not a cross or circle, but apparently it's common for people to write "no" in the box for issues, and gods forbid you mark the roaring box and desire to correct it. The instructions for that are apparently way too complicated for the kind of people who mismark an important once-ever document.

You have a roaring box? is that like a Hogwarts Howler?

gypsyjackson · 8th November 2016, 10:38 PM

Originally Posted by Noztradamus

What if they put a tick instead of a cross? Isn't that really confusing?

Tick would also be OK, if it were clear whom they were supporting. Writing yes or hooray, or whatever is also ok.

There was a funny case on one of our satirical news shows where they found a ballot which said something like 'is a dick' in the box next to one candidate, and the teller noted it was written entirely within the confines of the box so declared it a valid vote for the candidate, which was accepted by the observers - presumably not a close vote, or perhaps it might have been dealt with differently.

Noztradamus · 8th November 2016, 11:01 PM

Originally Posted by gypsyjackson

Tick would also be OK, if it were clear whom they were supporting. Writing yes or hooray, or whatever is also ok.

.

I meant a

gypsyjackson · 10th November 2016, 12:59 PM

That would also be OK if it were done in the box! In fact, I'm stealing that the next time I vote in person. Thanks.

ponderingturtle · 10th November 2016, 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by jimbob

Except that Trump's stated policies would violate several of them

First Amendment - freedom of religion - doesn't square with banning Muslims.
Second Amendment - OK on this one
Third Amendment - OK on this one
Fourth Amendment - some of Trump's proposed policies towards supposed domestic terrorists, his promise to lock up Clinton.
Fifth Amendment - I'd have thought that torture violates this one
Sixth Amendment - Torture looks to probably violate this
Seventh Amendment - OK fair call, it doesn't look to violate this
Eighth Amendment - if torture isn't cruel and unusual then I don't know what is

Ah but it isn't a punishment so it gets a pass, it is an interrogation technique.

7th November 2016, 11:05 AM	#481
logger Banned Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 11,145	Originally Posted by ponderingturtle So cannibalism is priority number 1? I guess those movies were right about country people, they really are all inbred cannibals at least by their goals. We would only eat the libs! They're usually fat and ugly.
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7th November 2016, 11:07 AM	#482
LSSBB Devilish Dictionarian Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: An elusive house at Bachelors Grove Cemetery Posts: 20,058	Originally Posted by ponderingturtle So cannibalism is priority number 1? I guess those movies were right about country people, they really are all inbred cannibals at least by their goals. So I'm not the only one with images of The Road popping into my head reading this apocalyptic bragfest.
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7th November 2016, 11:13 AM	#483
Jrrarglblarg Guest Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 12,673	Originally Posted by logger Yes I know, and no I'm not going to knock it off, when you can post something from the right, I'll maybe believe you. How the hell is that? We haven't discussed duration or severity. It was only a general statement! I've never said I was a right winger either. Pay attention. I'm an armed Buddhist. My first DD214 was carved on tree bark with a sharp rock, and I've enlisted twice to defend the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. Narrow minded binary party-idolatry is not an ideological framework for grownup thinking, it's letting others do your thinking for you. I don't stand on enery plank in the republican platform, or the democratic platform. I registered Green for Gore as a low value statistical protest, then registered Republican for McCain, same logic. Now if you don't mind, I'll report you the next time you call me a *********** leftist.
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7th November 2016, 11:49 AM	#484
logger Banned Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 11,145	Originally Posted by Jrrarglblarg I've never said I was a right winger either. Pay attention. I'm an armed Buddhist. My first DD214 was carved on tree bark with a sharp rock, and I've enlisted twice to defend the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. I never said you were, but most moderates agree with some things on the right and some things on the left. Quote: Narrow minded binary party-idolatry is not an ideological framework for grownup thinking, it's letting others do your thinking for you. I don't stand on enery plank in the republican platform, or the democratic platform. I registered Green for Gore as a low value statistical protest, then registered Republican for McCain, same logic. Being grownup is being strong in core beliefs, if you can go from Gore to McCain and back to Hillary, you're a bit out of focus. McCain and Gore don't really agree on much, it shows your beliefs blow with the wind. Quote: Now if you don't mind, I'll report you the next time you call me a *********** leftist. I double dog dare you!
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7th November 2016, 12:02 PM	#485
LSSBB Devilish Dictionarian Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: An elusive house at Bachelors Grove Cemetery Posts: 20,058	Originally Posted by logger I never said you were, but most moderates agree with some things on the right and some things on the left. Being grownup is being strong in core beliefs, if you can go from Gore to McCain and back to Hillary, you're a bit out of focus. McCain and Gore don't really agree on much, it shows your beliefs blow with the wind. I double dog dare you! I guess Trump is not a grownup according to your standards. Got it. And the personal attacks continue. How about Trump's little stormtroopers? Signed, A Conservative. And strong in my core beliefs.
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7th November 2016, 12:26 PM	#486
Jrrarglblarg Guest Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 12,673	TrumpTrooper Update: As mentioned upthread I answered Trump's clarion call to get out and watch the polls. I started by contacting team Trump, who sent my data to the chair of of the Republican Party office in my county. They provided a training session, plus we, official Poll Watchers, are required to take an online course from the Colorado Secretary of State. The GOP office then scheduled us to Watch in various locations. On Saturday I took my two certifications to the county clerk and recorder building where the actual vote counting process takes place. Not much action, a few boxes of ballots trickling in from collection stations, but I was able to observe the entire process from full box of ballots coming in to counted and resolved ballots upstairs. I will be observing the count Tuesday evening. It will be very boring. I looked at the entire operation with the remnants of my 12-year-old master shoplifter skills and found very few places in this system to inject shenanigans. And the ones I found would be easily caught by the mechanics of the system. I feel confident declaring this county difficult to rig, at the ballot boxes or the counting. Every step of the way the system uses two-person control with bipartisan teams to physically handle boxes, unlock sealed boxes, run the sealed mailed-in ballots through signature verification, open the envelopes and unfold them, prep them for optical scanners, run the scanners, adjudicate any ballots the scanner cannot read, and tabulate to final results.
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7th November 2016, 12:29 PM	#487
Jrrarglblarg Guest Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 12,673	Quote: Being grownup is being strong in core beliefs, if you can go from Gore to McCain and back to Hillary, you're a bit out of focus. McCain and Gore don't really agree on much, it shows your beliefs blow with the wind. Quite a few assumptions in there. Not the thread to unpack your confusion, so let's just put a pin in that for later, shall we?
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7th November 2016, 12:58 PM	#488
snoop_doxie Graduate Poster Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: In my reality tunnel Posts: 1,484	Quote: I feel confident declaring this county difficult to rig, at the ballot boxes or the counting. Every step of the way the system uses two-person control with bipartisan teams to physically handle boxes, unlock sealed boxes, run the sealed mailed-in ballots through signature verification, open the envelopes and unfold them, prep them for optical scanners, run the scanners, adjudicate any ballots the scanner cannot read, and tabulate to final results. Thanks for this, Jrrarglblarg. Interesting and educational.
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7th November 2016, 02:13 PM	#489
logger Banned Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 11,145	Originally Posted by LSSBB I guess Trump is not a grownup according to your standards. Got it. And the personal attacks continue. How about Trump's little stormtroopers? Signed, A Conservative. And strong in my core beliefs. Keep making the arguments for the other side, maybe someday someone will think you're conservative.
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7th November 2016, 02:35 PM	#490
Captain_Swoop Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 31,857	Originally Posted by ponderingturtle And if say you run it on vegitable oil from your own rape seeds you still need things like spare parts. Warehouses and dealerships full of parts, and other cars.

7th November 2016, 03:25 PM	#491
jimbob Uncritical "thinker" Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: UK Posts: 22,791	Originally Posted by logger Keep making the arguments for the other side, maybe someday someone will think you're conservative. How is favouring someone who aims to violate the fourth to eighth amendments, as well as the first "conservative"? Despite what you might think, Clinton is not going to violate the second amendment.
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7th November 2016, 03:28 PM	#492
LSSBB Devilish Dictionarian Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: An elusive house at Bachelors Grove Cemetery Posts: 20,058	Originally Posted by logger Keep making the arguments for the other side, maybe someday someone will think you're conservative. I am a critical thinker, not a slave to whatever some poster on the internet thinks a conservative is. ETA: no defense of Trump's lack of being a grownup, due to his waffling?
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7th November 2016, 05:01 PM	#493
logger Banned Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 11,145	Originally Posted by LSSBB I am a critical thinker, not a slave to whatever some poster on the internet thinks a conservative is. ETA: no defense of Trump's lack of being a grownup, due to his waffling? Is Trump closer to your politics than Clinton?
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7th November 2016, 05:03 PM	#494
gypsyjackson Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Posts: 1,087	Originally Posted by Jrrarglblarg TrumpTrooper Update: I will be observing the count Tuesday evening. It will be very boring. I looked at the entire operation with the remnants of my 12-year-old master shoplifter skills and found very few places in this system to inject shenanigans. And the ones I found would be easily caught by the mechanics of the system. I observed a count in the UK once, when my little brother was running for local office (he knew he would lose overall, but he wanted to beat UKIP to third place and did, just). It was as all UK elections, pencil on paper. I found it quite fun, rather than boring. Whenever a questionable mark was found, the 'teller' would show the assembled observers the ballot paper and explain his reasons for accepting or rejecting a vote for one of the candidates; if anyone disputed this it would be left to the end to see if the total number of weird votes could affect the result. The number of people who put a circle in the box rather than a cross was staggering. It's been a cross for the history of elections! However it still counts.

7th November 2016, 05:04 PM	#495
logger Banned Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 11,145	Originally Posted by jimbob How is favouring someone who aims to violate the fourth to eighth amendments, as well as the first "conservative"? How is it that you can make things up out of thin air? Quote: Despite what you might think, Clinton is not going to violate the second amendment. Yes, because she doesn't have the congress. If Obama had the congress, wouldn't he have severely restricted guns? Just like hills would.
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7th November 2016, 05:58 PM	#496
Spindrift Time Person of the Year, 2006 Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Right here! Posts: 19,246	Originally Posted by logger How is it that you can make things up out of thin air? If it's good enough for Donald, it's good enough for everyone.
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8th November 2016, 01:29 AM	#497
quadraginta Becoming Beth Join Date: May 2009 Location: Central Vale of Humility (USA, sort of) Posts: 26,169	Originally Posted by logger Is Trump closer to your politics than Clinton? Trump's politics are whatever he thinks the people he's talking to at that moment want to hear. Kind of hard to pin that down, isn't it?
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8th November 2016, 02:27 AM	#498
Madalch The Jester Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 9,763	Originally Posted by gypsyjackson The number of people who put a circle in the box rather than a cross was staggering. It's been a cross for the history of elections! However it still counts. Presumably, the Jews and Muslims don't want to make a Christian symbol.
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8th November 2016, 05:13 AM	#499
LSSBB Devilish Dictionarian Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: An elusive house at Bachelors Grove Cemetery Posts: 20,058	Originally Posted by logger Is Trump closer to your politics than Clinton? Trump is a Trumpian. I am a conservative, so no. He is whatever he needs to be to get attention and power.
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8th November 2016, 05:24 AM	#500
gypsyjackson Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Posts: 1,087	Originally Posted by Madalch Presumably, the Jews and Muslims don't want to make a Christian symbol. Heh. And maybe English people don't want to use a Scottish symbol. Might make it hard to e ercise their democratic rights, though.

8th November 2016, 06:37 AM	#501
Jrrarglblarg Guest Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 12,673	We fill in the whol box, not a cross or circle, but apparently it's common for people to write "no" in the box for issues, and gods forbid you mark the roaring box and desire to correct it. The instructions for that are apparently way too complicated for the kind of people who mismark an important once-ever document.
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8th November 2016, 10:18 AM	#502
logger Banned Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 11,145	Originally Posted by LSSBB Trump is a Trumpian. I am a conservative, so no. He is whatever he needs to be to get attention and power. I'm not surprised by your non answer. I agree Trump has waffled on some issues, but you know where hills is and by voting Johnson, you're contributing to her vote count. The reason you gave a non answer is because you're not truly serious about conservatism, that is why you're able to throw away your vote. Many times I've had to vote for the lesser of two evils, you seem happy to have the lib elected. You follow a pattern of fake conservatives.
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8th November 2016, 10:22 AM	#503
NoahFence Banned Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Patriot Nation Posts: 22,131	Take off your blinders, Logger. Hillary's actually pretty centrist. You act as if she's a radical leftist.

8th November 2016, 10:23 AM	#504
logger Banned Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 11,145	Originally Posted by NoahFence Take off your blinders, Logger. Hillary's actually pretty centrist. You act as if she's a radical leftist. Lol There aren't any centrist dems, used to be, not anymore.
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8th November 2016, 10:31 AM	#505
NoahFence Banned Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Patriot Nation Posts: 22,131	Uh, yes there are. There used to be rational righties. Not anymore.

8th November 2016, 10:33 AM	#506
ponderingturtle Orthogonal Vector Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 50,412	Originally Posted by NoahFence Take off your blinders, Logger. Hillary's actually pretty centrist. You act as if she's a radical leftist. Yea she hits right around the RINO Reagan. No one would ever mistake him for a conservative.
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8th November 2016, 10:34 AM	#507
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 14,640	logger, why don't you have a look at Reagan's, Nixon's or Bush Sr. policies? For most, they are left of Clinton's...
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8th November 2016, 10:52 AM	#508
NoahFence Banned Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Patriot Nation Posts: 22,131	Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza logger, why don't you have a look at Reagan's, Nixon's or Bush Sr. policies? For most, they are left of Clinton's... That would require work, and upon a response, honesty.

8th November 2016, 02:45 PM	#509
jimbob Uncritical "thinker" Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: UK Posts: 22,791	Originally Posted by logger Originally Posted by jimbob How is favouring someone who aims to violate the fourth to eighth amendments, as well as the first "conservative"? How is it that you can make things up out of thin air? Quote: Despite what you might think, Clinton is not going to violate the second amendment. Yes, because she doesn't have the congress. If Obama had the congress, wouldn't he have severely restricted guns? Just like hills would. Originally Posted by Spindrift If it's good enough for Donald, it's good enough for everyone. Except that Trump's stated policies would violate several of them First Amendment - freedom of religion - doesn't square with banning Muslims. Second Amendment - OK on this one Third Amendment - OK on this one Fourth Amendment - some of Trump's proposed policies towards supposed domestic terrorists, his promise to lock up Clinton. Fifth Amendment - I'd have thought that torture violates this one Sixth Amendment - Torture looks to probably violate this Seventh Amendment - OK fair call, it doesn't look to violate this Eighth Amendment - if torture isn't cruel and unusual then I don't know what is
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8th November 2016, 05:56 PM	#510
Captain_Swoop Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 31,857	Originally Posted by jimbob Eighth Amendment - if torture isn't cruel and unusual then I don't know what is It depends, are you putting Fuelair in charge of the punishment?

8th November 2016, 06:26 PM	#511
Jrrarglblarg Guest Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 12,673	TrumpTrooper Update: Sitting waiting at the grownup store for a preroll in on the way to watch the count. {edit. To add} Short line! Radio silence until the count is over. Jrrarglblarg out.
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8th November 2016, 10:05 PM	#512
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8th November 2016, 10:14 PM	#513
Noztradamus Illuminator Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 4,680	Originally Posted by gypsyjackson The number of people who put a circle in the box rather than a cross was staggering. It's been a cross for the history of elections! However it still counts. What if they put a tick instead of a cross? Isn't that really confusing?
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8th November 2016, 10:19 PM	#514
Noztradamus Illuminator Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 4,680	Originally Posted by Jrrarglblarg We fill in the whol box, not a cross or circle, but apparently it's common for people to write "no" in the box for issues, and gods forbid you mark the roaring box and desire to correct it. The instructions for that are apparently way too complicated for the kind of people who mismark an important once-ever document. You have a roaring box? is that like a Hogwarts Howler?
Noztradamus Illuminator Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 4,680	__________________ The Australian Family Association's John Morrissey was aghast when he learned Jessica Watson was bidding to become the youngest person to sail round the world alone, unaided and without stopping.

8th November 2016, 10:38 PM	#515
gypsyjackson Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Posts: 1,087	Originally Posted by Noztradamus What if they put a tick instead of a cross? Isn't that really confusing? Tick would also be OK, if it were clear whom they were supporting. Writing yes or hooray, or whatever is also ok. There was a funny case on one of our satirical news shows where they found a ballot which said something like 'is a dick' in the box next to one candidate, and the teller noted it was written entirely within the confines of the box so declared it a valid vote for the candidate, which was accepted by the observers - presumably not a close vote, or perhaps it might have been dealt with differently.