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fuelair · 29th October 2016, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by Slowvehicle

Where are you located? PM me--it ships very well, frozen.

Thanks!!! I found a source for it recently and have been experimenting with it. - and the source is New Mexico by way of Amazon (10 pounds in two five pound freezer packs). The chili itself is excellent, but the chile I have not got quite right yet. Trying small batches of various recipes. All tasty, but none quite the one I am looking for (specifically the taste that was over the years common to a little Mexican food place in Nashville, LePeeps in Orlando, a diner going west (about 15-20 miles) from Denver and down the street from a Holiday Inn (6 -7 years back) a restaurant up in the mountains 40-50 miles from Denver (also west). There was a restaurant in the town that had advertised green chili but theirs was mediocre. We found the other by very lucky accident!!!!

fuelair · 29th October 2016, 10:26 AM

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

Serious question: is that different from the Chile Verde I order in pretty much every Mexican restaurant I visit?

Probably not (or not very)though there are variations - as noted in my search for the right set of specific ingredients for the version I love, The basics are the green chiles: https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_s...=114S8X4R731U6

I am on my last 5 of 20 pounds of Autumn Roast. All have been good, just not quite my ultimate!!!!! Great with slow cooked pulled pork by the by.

Trebuchet · 29th October 2016, 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by fuelair

Probably not (or not very)though there are variations - as noted in my search for the right set of specific ingredients for the version I love, The basics are the green chiles: https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_s...=114S8X4R731U6

I am on my last 5 of 20 pounds of Autumn Roast. All have been good, just not quite my ultimate!!!!! Great with slow cooked pulled pork by the by.

My, has this ever led me down an internet rabbit hole. Best I can tell, generic Mexican restaurant Chile Verde is basically the same dish as yours. But the execution, as well as the chilis, are probably rather different.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled Trumpets.

Slowvehicle · 29th October 2016, 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

Serious question: is that different from the Chile Verde I order in pretty much every Mexican restaurant I visit?

No more so than applesauce is different from pieces of apples, or whole apples...

Slowvehicle · 29th October 2016, 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by fuelair

Thanks!!! I found a source for it recently and have been experimenting with it. - and the source is New Mexico by way of Amazon (10 pounds in two five pound freezer packs). The chili itself is excellent, but the chile I have not got quite right yet. Trying small batches of various recipes. All tasty, but none quite the one I am looking for (specifically the taste that was over the years common to a little Mexican food place in Nashville, LePeeps in Orlando, a diner going west (about 15-20 miles) from Denver and down the street from a Holiday Inn (6 -7 years back) a restaurant up in the mountains 40-50 miles from Denver (also west). There was a restaurant in the town that had advertised green chili but theirs was mediocre. We found the other by very lucky accident!!!!

PM me, and we can talk recipes...

LSSBB · 29th October 2016, 09:38 PM

Originally Posted by logger

Says the conservative.

That's what I am. Small government, strong defense, pro-free trade. Constiutionalist: free speech, freedom of religion, right to bear arms for purposes of a strong militia. I don't support anyone being prosecuted for what should be their own private business either. And I think all human beings should be judged on the content of their character, not the color of their skin.

Hence: no rounding up the Mexicans, building a wall against them, calling them racists, stirring up fear of Muslims, all things a populist demagogue would run with.

Foolmewunz · 30th October 2016, 12:59 AM

Originally Posted by LSSBB

That's what I am. Small government, strong defense, pro-free trade. Constiutionalist: free speech, freedom of religion, right to bear arms for purposes of a strong militia. I don't support anyone being prosecuted for what should be their own private business either. And I think all human beings should be judged on the content of their character, not the color of their skin.

Hence: no rounding up the Mexicans, building a wall against them, calling them racists, stirring up fear of Muslims, all things a populist demagogue would run with.

Yeah, remember when Barry Goldwater basically told the racists to get the **** out of the party(more politely, of course)? The Arizona TPs wanted to rename the state GOP HQ and take his name off the building!

logger · 30th October 2016, 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by LSSBB

That's what I am. Small government, strong defense, pro-free trade. Constiutionalist: free speech, freedom of religion, right to bear arms for purposes of a strong militia. I don't support anyone being prosecuted for what should be their own private business either. And I think all human beings should be judged on the content of their character, not the color of their skin.

Hence: no rounding up the Mexicans, building a wall against them,

Open borders, got it. As a conservative, I'd rather have orderly legal immigration.

Quote:

calling them racists,

That's actually what the corrupt left calls us.

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stirring up fear of Muslims

Its called un-PC truth.

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all things a populist demagogue would run with.

Something a leftist would say.

cantonear1968 · 30th October 2016, 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by logger

Open borders, got it. As a conservative, I'd rather have orderly legal immigration.

That's actually what the corrupt left calls us.

Its called un-PC truth.

Something a leftist would say.

I'm wondering how many white Christians you asked to be banned from entering the country after the Oklahoma City bombing.

Skeptic Tank · 30th October 2016, 09:28 PM

Originally Posted by cantonear1968

I'm wondering how many white Christians you asked to be banned from entering the country after the Oklahoma City bombing.

You don't contemplate removing the bedrock, core, founding demographic of a society based on its problems because that does not compute. They *are* the society.

Evaluating optional outsiders on the basis of cost/benefit and compatibility, however, makes all the sense in the world.

I don't ponder disowning my son because I found pot in his room, but I might object to a crack addict stranger moving in and sleeping on the couch.

One is a part of the family and his issues are lesser. The other has worse issues, few if any redeeming qualities, and is an outsider. His presence is neither beneficial nor natural and excluding him or kicking him out after making the mistake of letting him in is the most normal, logical thing I could ever do.

LSSBB · 30th October 2016, 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by logger

Open borders, got it. As a conservative, I'd rather have orderly legal immigration.

That's actually what the corrupt left calls us.

Its called un-PC truth.

Something a leftist would say.

I did not say open borders, and thanks for turning on a long time Republican and demonstrating the problem I identified with with the party.

Foolmewunz · 30th October 2016, 11:36 PM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Tank

You don't contemplate removing the bedrock, core, founding demographic of a society based on its problems because that does not compute. They *are* the society.

Evaluating optional outsiders on the basis of cost/benefit and compatibility, however, makes all the sense in the world.

I don't ponder disowning my son because I found pot in his room, but I might object to a crack addict stranger moving in and sleeping on the couch.

One is a part of the family and his issues are lesser. The other has worse issues, few if any redeeming qualities, and is an outsider. His presence is neither beneficial nor natural and excluding him or kicking him out after making the mistake of letting him in is the most normal, logical thing I could ever do.

Your concept of redeeming qualities may differ from mine, though. I, for instance, don't think that exclusionary language and behavior are a redeeming quality. Misogyny kinda grates on me, too. And that sucking-up-to-white-nationalists thing? Damn, but I thought I was through with that crap. You probably find all that redeeming and a Secretary of State taking some unnecessary and perhaps frivolous liberties with her e-mail? That's reprehensible to you, I take it?

We may have different values. My half-caste son (same lineage as Tammy Baldridge) is as American as you or I.

Oh, and perhaps you could point out in the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution where it says "White People". I'm unfamiliar with those passages. The founders of the country HAPPENED to be white (well, there are questions about Alexander Hamilton, so maybe that's "most of the founders"). There was no intent. They happened to be in the ascendency in that era of history. It's no longer an exclusive club. Live with it.

Spindrift · 31st October 2016, 06:10 AM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Tank

You don't contemplate removing the bedrock, core, founding demographic of a society based on its problems because that does not compute. They *are* the society.

Evaluating optional outsiders on the basis of cost/benefit and compatibility, however, makes all the sense in the world.

I don't ponder disowning my son because I found pot in his room, but I might object to a crack addict stranger moving in and sleeping on the couch.

One is a part of the family and his issues are lesser. The other has worse issues, few if any redeeming qualities, and is an outsider. His presence is neither beneficial nor natural and excluding him or kicking him out after making the mistake of letting him in is the most normal, logical thing I could ever do.

Not natural? What a crappy metaphor.

The presence of immigrants, legal and illegal, in this country is one of the constants of this nation since Jamestown. One of the other constants would be the earlier immigrants and their descendants opposing new immigrants. They use the same old tired arguments. "Those damn Papists want to make the country subservient to the pope."
"If they want to have government documents printed in their language, they should go back to Germany."
"They are taking all the jobs (but they're cheap, so of course, I've hired them when I needed them)."
"All those Poles/Italians/Irish/Jews want to destroy our country."

You know after 240 years the xenophobia is a bit tiresome.

dudalb · 31st October 2016, 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Tank

Lincoln was a White supremacist and White nationalist.

He said that blacks shouldn't be voters or jurors and should be relegated to the inferior position in any society they inhabited along with Whites.

He was intent on shipping them all out of America after the civil war.

He said he'd gladly preserve the union in a way that left them as slaves, if necessary.

Jefferson and the other founding fathers were also total White supremacists and White nationalists and founded the USA with the intent of restricting citizenship to Whites only. They were quite open about all of this.

So it's those of you who are NOT White nationalists who are out of step with this nation's intended nature AND out of step with your beloved Abraham Lincoln, as well.

Lincoln was also nearly killed in an attack by blacks in New Orleans as a teenager and I'm sure that didn't endear them to him greatly either.

Coincidentally, New Orleans is still a great place to get killed by blacks if you're a White teenager today.

Lincoln opinions on Blacks in the US changed.. By the end of his presidency he had totally dropped the "ship them back" opinion.
I still want to know what you White Nationalist would do to Blacks in the US.
BTW I despise Donald Trump, but IMHO he will drop the support of the open White Nationlists about five minutes after he is (Heaven forbid) elected. They will become a liability.

Spindrift · 31st October 2016, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Lincoln opinions on Blacks in the US changed.. By the end of his presidency he had totally dropped the "ship them back" opinion.
I still want to know what you White Nationalist would do to Blacks in the US.
BTW I despise Donald Trump, but IMHO he will drop the support of the open White Nationlists about five minutes after he is (Heaven forbid) elected. They will become a liability.

Trump will drop everybody and anybody who he doesn't think can help him out going forward. Loyalty to him is paramount. Loyalty from him, not so much.

Dr. Keith · 31st October 2016, 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

We now return you to your regularly scheduled Trumpets.

You have no idea how similar the subjects are in their volatility. I have friends I can't talk politics with for fear of fists flying. And here, I know better than to correct Slowvehicle on his assertions regarding the superiority of New Mexico Chili over Texas Chili. So I just hold my tongue to keep the piece.

Slowvehicle · 31st October 2016, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by Dr. Keith

You have no idea how similar the subjects are in their volatility. I have friends I can't talk politics with for fear of fists flying. And here, I know better than to correct Slowvehicle on his assertions regarding the superiority of New Mexico Chili over Texas Chili. So I just hold my tongue to keep the piece.

An it harms none, eat what thou wilt...

...just learn the difference atween "chili" and "chile".

Trebuchet · 31st October 2016, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by Dr. Keith

You have no idea how similar the subjects are in their volatility. I have friends I can't talk politics with for fear of fists flying. And here, I know better than to correct Slowvehicle on his assertions regarding the superiority of New Mexico Chili over Texas Chili. So I just hold my tongue to keep the piece.

I'm glad I don't belong to any such cults. As long as your hurling engine is powered by gravity or twisted rope. Air cannons blow!

Originally Posted by Slowvehicle

An it harms none, eat what thou wilt...

...just learn the difference atween "chili" and "chile".

I actually always have trouble with that. I use "Chile" for the country, and "chili" for the peppers, but the soup/stew seems to swing either way

Dr. Keith · 31st October 2016, 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by Slowvehicle

An it harms none, eat what thou wilt...

...just learn the difference atween "chili" and "chile".

God, you people are relentless.

Dr. Keith · 31st October 2016, 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

I'm glad I don't belong to any such cults. As long as your hurling engine is powered by gravity or twisted rope. Air cannons blow!

Nice!

Quote:

I actually always have trouble with that. I use "Chile" for the country, and "chili" for the peppers, but the soup/stew seems to swing either way

Me to.

Captain_Swoop · 31st October 2016, 01:36 PM

I like Sainsbury tinned Chilli love the beans.

Jim_MDP · 31st October 2016, 07:30 PM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

I like Sainsbury tinned Chilli love the beans.

Is that anything like food?

Had a peek at Google images of the stuff... glad I haven't eaten yet.

logger · 31st October 2016, 07:39 PM

Originally Posted by cantonear1968

I'm wondering how many white Christians you asked to be banned from entering the country after the Oklahoma City bombing.

You have a soft spot for radical islam? How cute!

logger · 31st October 2016, 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by LSSBB

I did not say open borders, and thanks for turning on a long time Republican and demonstrating the problem I identified with with the party.

Well at least your honest about calling yourself a longtime republican, because I don't see any conservative coming from you.

Going to vote for Hills now?

LSSBB · 31st October 2016, 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by logger

Well at least your honest about calling yourself a longtime republican, because I don't see any conservative coming from you.

Going to vote for Hills now?

No, because I am a conservative and she represents big government, as Donald Trump will with his pricey xenophobic solutions. Neither one is a decent candidate.

332nd · 31st October 2016, 07:47 PM

Originally Posted by logger

You have a soft spot for radical islam? How cute!

No, I imagine it's more like my views on my Muslim friends. I don't blame all of them for the actions of a few like you seem to do... but then fear isn't a rational emotion.

logger · 31st October 2016, 07:49 PM

Originally Posted by LSSBB

No, because I am a conservative and she represents big government, as Donald Trump will with his pricey xenophobic solutions. Neither one is a decent candidate.

No kidding?

But one certainly agrees with more of what you supposedly believe. You do understand the concept of "the lesser of two evils"?

I didn't like McCain, but I voted for him. He is a disgusting rino republican. I voted for Romney who comes from the freak show of Mormonism and another rino.

Now I'm going to vote for Trump, who has trouble controlling himself but is infinitely better than hilldawg. Who are you with my Republican friend?

logger · 31st October 2016, 07:53 PM

Originally Posted by 332nd

No, I imagine it's more like my views on my Muslim friends. I don't blame all of them for the actions of a few like you seem to do... but then fear isn't a rational emotion.

That's wonderful except the Muslims I know would consider your Muslim friends to be infidels.

LSSBB · 31st October 2016, 07:54 PM

Originally Posted by logger

No kidding?

But one certainly agrees with more of what you supposedly believe. You do understand the concept of "the lesser of two evils"?

I didn't like McCain, but I voted for him. He is a disgusting rino republican. I voted for Romney who comes from the freak show of Mormonism and another rino.

Now I'm going to vote for Trump, who has trouble controlling himself but is infinitely better than hilldawg. Who are you with my Republican friend?

Gary Johnson is a better Republican than Trump, he gets my vote. And he is not a scamming liar, like Trump and Hillary. Enough about me though. I don't see MY name in the thread title.

332nd · 31st October 2016, 07:57 PM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Tank

Him opposing slavery doesn't contradict that. Do people who think the meat industry is horrible therefore necessarily think cows are our mental equals and fit for citizenship?

Well no, but I did know a relative of Adolph Eichmann who thinks a relative of a Tuskegee_Airman is a mental & physical superior to white nationals. Tick, tick, tick.

332nd · 31st October 2016, 07:59 PM

Originally Posted by logger

That's wonderful except the Muslims I know would consider your Muslim friends to be infidels.

How many do you know? Also, why would they describe my folk as infidels? Please be specific.

logger · 31st October 2016, 08:00 PM

Originally Posted by LSSBB

Gary Johnson is a better Republican than Trump, he gets my vote. And he is not a scamming liar, like Trump and Hillary. Enough about me though. I don't see MY name in the thread title.

Fine, a vote for Johnson is a vote for Clinton. So the very thing you don't want ends up happening. Remember the lesser of two evils?

Besides Johnson is just another rino who desperately wants to be part of the establishment. The clue would be him picking another rino, Weld as his VP

logger · 31st October 2016, 08:01 PM

Originally Posted by 332nd

How so? Please be specific.

Do your Muslim friends believe in Sharia?

332nd · 31st October 2016, 08:53 PM

Originally Posted by logger

Do your Muslim friends believe in Sharia?

Yup, & just like Christians they pick & choose what really matters... kinda like how you tried to breeze past that first question.

Now then, how many Muslims do you know?

Foolmewunz · 31st October 2016, 09:15 PM

Originally Posted by Jim_MDP

Is that anything like food?

Had a peek at Google images of the stuff... glad I haven't eaten yet.

I'll have you know, sir, that Sainsbury's has won several awards for "Canned Item Most Similar to Real Food". (If you think their Chili looks worrisome do NOT try their baked beans.)

catsmate · 1st November 2016, 05:58 AM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Lincoln opinions on Blacks in the US changed.. By the end of his presidency he had totally dropped the "ship them back" opinion.
I still want to know what you White Nationalist would do to Blacks in the US.
BTW I despise Donald Trump, but IMHO he will drop the support of the open White Nationlists about five minutes after he is (Heaven forbid) elected. They will become a liability.

People are complicated. Soundbites like the ones ST is pushing, from early in Lincoln's career, are silly.
As Douglass put it: "In his company, I was never reminded of my humble origin, or of my unpopular color".

logger · 1st November 2016, 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by 332nd

Yup, & just like Christians they pick & choose what really matters... kinda like how you tried to breeze past that first question.

Now then, how many Muslims do you know?

1.5 billion, why does it matter?

So your friends believe in subjugating women? Marginalizing gays?

Slowvehicle · 1st November 2016, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by Dr. Keith

God, you people are relentless.

You say that like it's a bad thing...

Slowvehicle · 1st November 2016, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

Air cannons blow!

Slowvehicle · 1st November 2016, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by logger

You have a soft spot for radical islam? How cute!

You...evaded...the question.

surprise

29th October 2016, 10:18 AM	#281
fuelair Banned Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 58,581	Originally Posted by Slowvehicle Where are you located? PM me--it ships very well, frozen. Thanks!!! I found a source for it recently and have been experimenting with it. - and the source is New Mexico by way of Amazon (10 pounds in two five pound freezer packs). The chili itself is excellent, but the chile I have not got quite right yet. Trying small batches of various recipes. All tasty, but none quite the one I am looking for (specifically the taste that was over the years common to a little Mexican food place in Nashville, LePeeps in Orlando, a diner going west (about 15-20 miles) from Denver and down the street from a Holiday Inn (6 -7 years back) a restaurant up in the mountains 40-50 miles from Denver (also west). There was a restaurant in the town that had advertised green chili but theirs was mediocre. We found the other by very lucky accident!!!!
fuelair Banned Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 58,581

29th October 2016, 10:26 AM	#282
fuelair Banned Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 58,581	Originally Posted by Trebuchet Serious question: is that different from the Chile Verde I order in pretty much every Mexican restaurant I visit? Probably not (or not very)though there are variations - as noted in my search for the right set of specific ingredients for the version I love, The basics are the green chiles: https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_s...=114S8X4R731U6 I am on my last 5 of 20 pounds of Autumn Roast. All have been good, just not quite my ultimate!!!!! Great with slow cooked pulled pork by the by.
fuelair Banned Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 58,581

29th October 2016, 05:11 PM	#283
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 31,067	Originally Posted by fuelair Probably not (or not very)though there are variations - as noted in my search for the right set of specific ingredients for the version I love, The basics are the green chiles: https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_s...=114S8X4R731U6 I am on my last 5 of 20 pounds of Autumn Roast. All have been good, just not quite my ultimate!!!!! Great with slow cooked pulled pork by the by. My, has this ever led me down an internet rabbit hole. Best I can tell, generic Mexican restaurant Chile Verde is basically the same dish as yours. But the execution, as well as the chilis, are probably rather different. We now return you to your regularly scheduled Trumpets.
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29th October 2016, 05:16 PM	#284
Slowvehicle Membership Drive Co-Ordinator, Russell's Antinomy Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: ...1888 miles from home by the shortest route without tolls... Posts: 17,348	Originally Posted by Trebuchet Serious question: is that different from the Chile Verde I order in pretty much every Mexican restaurant I visit? No more so than applesauce is different from pieces of apples, or whole apples...
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29th October 2016, 05:18 PM	#285
Slowvehicle Membership Drive Co-Ordinator, Russell's Antinomy Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: ...1888 miles from home by the shortest route without tolls... Posts: 17,348	Originally Posted by fuelair Thanks!!! I found a source for it recently and have been experimenting with it. - and the source is New Mexico by way of Amazon (10 pounds in two five pound freezer packs). The chili itself is excellent, but the chile I have not got quite right yet. Trying small batches of various recipes. All tasty, but none quite the one I am looking for (specifically the taste that was over the years common to a little Mexican food place in Nashville, LePeeps in Orlando, a diner going west (about 15-20 miles) from Denver and down the street from a Holiday Inn (6 -7 years back) a restaurant up in the mountains 40-50 miles from Denver (also west). There was a restaurant in the town that had advertised green chili but theirs was mediocre. We found the other by very lucky accident!!!! PM me, and we can talk recipes...
	__________________ "They want to make their molehills equal to the mountains by cutting the mountains down." -turingtest "The universe did not come from nothing, it came from 'We don't know'." -Dancing David "Cry, booga, booga, booga! and let slip the Hamsters of Silly!" -JFDHintze

29th October 2016, 09:38 PM	#286
LSSBB Devilish Dictionarian Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: An elusive house at Bachelors Grove Cemetery Posts: 20,058	Originally Posted by logger Says the conservative. That's what I am. Small government, strong defense, pro-free trade. Constiutionalist: free speech, freedom of religion, right to bear arms for purposes of a strong militia. I don't support anyone being prosecuted for what should be their own private business either. And I think all human beings should be judged on the content of their character, not the color of their skin. Hence: no rounding up the Mexicans, building a wall against them, calling them racists, stirring up fear of Muslims, all things a populist demagogue would run with.
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30th October 2016, 12:59 AM	#287
Foolmewunz Grammar Resistance Leader TLA Dictator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Pattaya, Thailand Posts: 41,468	Originally Posted by LSSBB That's what I am. Small government, strong defense, pro-free trade. Constiutionalist: free speech, freedom of religion, right to bear arms for purposes of a strong militia. I don't support anyone being prosecuted for what should be their own private business either. And I think all human beings should be judged on the content of their character, not the color of their skin. Hence: no rounding up the Mexicans, building a wall against them, calling them racists, stirring up fear of Muslims, all things a populist demagogue would run with. Yeah, remember when Barry Goldwater basically told the racists to get the **** out of the party(more politely, of course)? The Arizona TPs wanted to rename the state GOP HQ and take his name off the building!
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30th October 2016, 07:17 PM	#288
logger Banned Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 11,145	Originally Posted by LSSBB That's what I am. Small government, strong defense, pro-free trade. Constiutionalist: free speech, freedom of religion, right to bear arms for purposes of a strong militia. I don't support anyone being prosecuted for what should be their own private business either. And I think all human beings should be judged on the content of their character, not the color of their skin. Hence: no rounding up the Mexicans, building a wall against them, Open borders, got it. As a conservative, I'd rather have orderly legal immigration. Quote: calling them racists, That's actually what the corrupt left calls us. Quote: stirring up fear of Muslims Its called un-PC truth. Quote: all things a populist demagogue would run with. Something a leftist would say.
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30th October 2016, 07:28 PM	#289
cantonear1968 Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,657	Originally Posted by logger Open borders, got it. As a conservative, I'd rather have orderly legal immigration. That's actually what the corrupt left calls us. Its called un-PC truth. Something a leftist would say. I'm wondering how many white Christians you asked to be banned from entering the country after the Oklahoma City bombing.
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30th October 2016, 09:28 PM	#290
Skeptic Tank Trigger Warning Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 2,985	Originally Posted by cantonear1968 I'm wondering how many white Christians you asked to be banned from entering the country after the Oklahoma City bombing. You don't contemplate removing the bedrock, core, founding demographic of a society based on its problems because that does not compute. They are the society. Evaluating optional outsiders on the basis of cost/benefit and compatibility, however, makes all the sense in the world. I don't ponder disowning my son because I found pot in his room, but I might object to a crack addict stranger moving in and sleeping on the couch. One is a part of the family and his issues are lesser. The other has worse issues, few if any redeeming qualities, and is an outsider. His presence is neither beneficial nor natural and excluding him or kicking him out after making the mistake of letting him in is the most normal, logical thing I could ever do.
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30th October 2016, 09:32 PM	#291
LSSBB Devilish Dictionarian Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: An elusive house at Bachelors Grove Cemetery Posts: 20,058	Originally Posted by logger Open borders, got it. As a conservative, I'd rather have orderly legal immigration. That's actually what the corrupt left calls us. Its called un-PC truth. Something a leftist would say. I did not say open borders, and thanks for turning on a long time Republican and demonstrating the problem I identified with with the party.
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30th October 2016, 11:36 PM	#292
Foolmewunz Grammar Resistance Leader TLA Dictator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Pattaya, Thailand Posts: 41,468	Originally Posted by Skeptic Tank You don't contemplate removing the bedrock, core, founding demographic of a society based on its problems because that does not compute. They are the society. Evaluating optional outsiders on the basis of cost/benefit and compatibility, however, makes all the sense in the world. I don't ponder disowning my son because I found pot in his room, but I might object to a crack addict stranger moving in and sleeping on the couch. One is a part of the family and his issues are lesser. The other has worse issues, few if any redeeming qualities, and is an outsider. His presence is neither beneficial nor natural and excluding him or kicking him out after making the mistake of letting him in is the most normal, logical thing I could ever do. Your concept of redeeming qualities may differ from mine, though. I, for instance, don't think that exclusionary language and behavior are a redeeming quality. Misogyny kinda grates on me, too. And that sucking-up-to-white-nationalists thing? Damn, but I thought I was through with that crap. You probably find all that redeeming and a Secretary of State taking some unnecessary and perhaps frivolous liberties with her e-mail? That's reprehensible to you, I take it? We may have different values. My half-caste son (same lineage as Tammy Baldridge) is as American as you or I. Oh, and perhaps you could point out in the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution where it says "White People". I'm unfamiliar with those passages. The founders of the country HAPPENED to be white (well, there are questions about Alexander Hamilton, so maybe that's "most of the founders"). There was no intent. They happened to be in the ascendency in that era of history. It's no longer an exclusive club. Live with it.
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31st October 2016, 06:10 AM	#293
Spindrift Time Person of the Year, 2006 Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Right here! Posts: 19,246	Originally Posted by Skeptic Tank You don't contemplate removing the bedrock, core, founding demographic of a society based on its problems because that does not compute. They are the society. Evaluating optional outsiders on the basis of cost/benefit and compatibility, however, makes all the sense in the world. I don't ponder disowning my son because I found pot in his room, but I might object to a crack addict stranger moving in and sleeping on the couch. One is a part of the family and his issues are lesser. The other has worse issues, few if any redeeming qualities, and is an outsider. His presence is neither beneficial nor natural and excluding him or kicking him out after making the mistake of letting him in is the most normal, logical thing I could ever do. Not natural? What a crappy metaphor. The presence of immigrants, legal and illegal, in this country is one of the constants of this nation since Jamestown. One of the other constants would be the earlier immigrants and their descendants opposing new immigrants. They use the same old tired arguments. "Those damn Papists want to make the country subservient to the pope." "If they want to have government documents printed in their language, they should go back to Germany." "They are taking all the jobs (but they're cheap, so of course, I've hired them when I needed them)." "All those Poles/Italians/Irish/Jews want to destroy our country." You know after 240 years the xenophobia is a bit tiresome.
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31st October 2016, 11:13 AM	#294
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 50,334	Originally Posted by Skeptic Tank Lincoln was a White supremacist and White nationalist. He said that blacks shouldn't be voters or jurors and should be relegated to the inferior position in any society they inhabited along with Whites. He was intent on shipping them all out of America after the civil war. He said he'd gladly preserve the union in a way that left them as slaves, if necessary. Jefferson and the other founding fathers were also total White supremacists and White nationalists and founded the USA with the intent of restricting citizenship to Whites only. They were quite open about all of this. So it's those of you who are NOT White nationalists who are out of step with this nation's intended nature AND out of step with your beloved Abraham Lincoln, as well. Lincoln was also nearly killed in an attack by blacks in New Orleans as a teenager and I'm sure that didn't endear them to him greatly either. Coincidentally, New Orleans is still a great place to get killed by blacks if you're a White teenager today. Lincoln opinions on Blacks in the US changed.. By the end of his presidency he had totally dropped the "ship them back" opinion. I still want to know what you White Nationalist would do to Blacks in the US. BTW I despise Donald Trump, but IMHO he will drop the support of the open White Nationlists about five minutes after he is (Heaven forbid) elected. They will become a liability.
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31st October 2016, 12:12 PM	#295
Spindrift Time Person of the Year, 2006 Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Right here! Posts: 19,246	Originally Posted by dudalb Lincoln opinions on Blacks in the US changed.. By the end of his presidency he had totally dropped the "ship them back" opinion. I still want to know what you White Nationalist would do to Blacks in the US. BTW I despise Donald Trump, but IMHO he will drop the support of the open White Nationlists about five minutes after he is (Heaven forbid) elected. They will become a liability. Trump will drop everybody and anybody who he doesn't think can help him out going forward. Loyalty to him is paramount. Loyalty from him, not so much.
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31st October 2016, 12:54 PM	#296
Dr. Keith Not a doctor. Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 22,581	Originally Posted by Trebuchet We now return you to your regularly scheduled Trumpets. You have no idea how similar the subjects are in their volatility. I have friends I can't talk politics with for fear of fists flying. And here, I know better than to correct Slowvehicle on his assertions regarding the superiority of New Mexico Chili over Texas Chili. So I just hold my tongue to keep the piece. At least until I can slide into Blake's for my fix. What can I say, I was poor the I lived in NM and so my tastes are rather pedestrian. Although the Pink Adobe and Santacafe will always hold a special place in my heart.
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31st October 2016, 01:06 PM	#297
Slowvehicle Membership Drive Co-Ordinator, Russell's Antinomy Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: ...1888 miles from home by the shortest route without tolls... Posts: 17,348	Originally Posted by Dr. Keith You have no idea how similar the subjects are in their volatility. I have friends I can't talk politics with for fear of fists flying. And here, I know better than to correct Slowvehicle on his assertions regarding the superiority of New Mexico Chili over Texas Chili. So I just hold my tongue to keep the piece. At least until I can slide into Blake's for my fix. What can I say, I was poor the I lived in NM and so my tastes are rather pedestrian. Although the Pink Adobe and Santacafe will always hold a special place in my heart. An it harms none, eat what thou wilt... ...just learn the difference atween "chili" and "chile".
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31st October 2016, 01:10 PM	#298
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 31,067	Originally Posted by Dr. Keith You have no idea how similar the subjects are in their volatility. I have friends I can't talk politics with for fear of fists flying. And here, I know better than to correct Slowvehicle on his assertions regarding the superiority of New Mexico Chili over Texas Chili. So I just hold my tongue to keep the piece. At least until I can slide into Blake's for my fix. What can I say, I was poor the I lived in NM and so my tastes are rather pedestrian. Although the Pink Adobe and Santacafe will always hold a special place in my heart. I'm glad I don't belong to any such cults. As long as your hurling engine is powered by gravity or twisted rope. Air cannons blow! Originally Posted by Slowvehicle An it harms none, eat what thou wilt... ...just learn the difference atween "chili" and "chile". I actually always have trouble with that. I use "Chile" for the country, and "chili" for the peppers, but the soup/stew seems to swing either way
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31st October 2016, 01:30 PM	#299
Dr. Keith Not a doctor. Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 22,581	Originally Posted by Slowvehicle An it harms none, eat what thou wilt... ...just learn the difference atween "chili" and "chile". God, you people are relentless. I mean people who correct spelling, obviously.
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31st October 2016, 01:31 PM	#300
Dr. Keith Not a doctor. Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 22,581	Originally Posted by Trebuchet I'm glad I don't belong to any such cults. As long as your hurling engine is powered by gravity or twisted rope. Air cannons blow! Nice! Quote: I actually always have trouble with that. I use "Chile" for the country, and "chili" for the peppers, but the soup/stew seems to swing either way Me to.
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31st October 2016, 01:36 PM	#301
Captain_Swoop Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 31,976	I like Sainsbury tinned Chilli love the beans.
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31st October 2016, 07:30 PM	#302
Jim_MDP Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: N.Cal/S.Or Posts: 8,025	Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop I like Sainsbury tinned Chilli love the beans. Is that anything like food? Had a peek at Google images of the stuff... glad I haven't eaten yet.
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31st October 2016, 07:39 PM	#303
logger Banned Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 11,145	Originally Posted by cantonear1968 I'm wondering how many white Christians you asked to be banned from entering the country after the Oklahoma City bombing. You have a soft spot for radical islam? How cute!
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31st October 2016, 07:41 PM	#304
logger Banned Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 11,145	Originally Posted by LSSBB I did not say open borders, and thanks for turning on a long time Republican and demonstrating the problem I identified with with the party. Well at least your honest about calling yourself a longtime republican, because I don't see any conservative coming from you. Going to vote for Hills now?
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31st October 2016, 07:44 PM	#305
LSSBB Devilish Dictionarian Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: An elusive house at Bachelors Grove Cemetery Posts: 20,058	Originally Posted by logger Well at least your honest about calling yourself a longtime republican, because I don't see any conservative coming from you. Going to vote for Hills now? No, because I am a conservative and she represents big government, as Donald Trump will with his pricey xenophobic solutions. Neither one is a decent candidate.
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31st October 2016, 07:47 PM	#306
332nd Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 11,278	Originally Posted by logger You have a soft spot for radical islam? How cute! No, I imagine it's more like my views on my Muslim friends. I don't blame all of them for the actions of a few like you seem to do... but then fear isn't a rational emotion.
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31st October 2016, 07:49 PM	#307
logger Banned Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 11,145	Originally Posted by LSSBB No, because I am a conservative and she represents big government, as Donald Trump will with his pricey xenophobic solutions. Neither one is a decent candidate. No kidding? But one certainly agrees with more of what you supposedly believe. You do understand the concept of "the lesser of two evils"? I didn't like McCain, but I voted for him. He is a disgusting rino republican. I voted for Romney who comes from the freak show of Mormonism and another rino. Now I'm going to vote for Trump, who has trouble controlling himself but is infinitely better than hilldawg. Who are you with my Republican friend?
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31st October 2016, 07:53 PM	#308
logger Banned Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 11,145	Originally Posted by 332nd No, I imagine it's more like my views on my Muslim friends. I don't blame all of them for the actions of a few like you seem to do... but then fear isn't a rational emotion. That's wonderful except the Muslims I know would consider your Muslim friends to be infidels.
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31st October 2016, 07:54 PM	#309
LSSBB Devilish Dictionarian Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: An elusive house at Bachelors Grove Cemetery Posts: 20,058	Originally Posted by logger No kidding? But one certainly agrees with more of what you supposedly believe. You do understand the concept of "the lesser of two evils"? I didn't like McCain, but I voted for him. He is a disgusting rino republican. I voted for Romney who comes from the freak show of Mormonism and another rino. Now I'm going to vote for Trump, who has trouble controlling himself but is infinitely better than hilldawg. Who are you with my Republican friend? Gary Johnson is a better Republican than Trump, he gets my vote. And he is not a scamming liar, like Trump and Hillary. Enough about me though. I don't see MY name in the thread title.
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31st October 2016, 07:57 PM	#310
332nd Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 11,278	Originally Posted by Skeptic Tank Him opposing slavery doesn't contradict that. Do people who think the meat industry is horrible therefore necessarily think cows are our mental equals and fit for citizenship? Well no, but I did know a relative of Adolph Eichmann who thinks a relative of a Tuskegee_Airman is a mental & physical superior to white nationals. Tick, tick, tick.
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31st October 2016, 07:59 PM	#311
332nd Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 11,278	Originally Posted by logger That's wonderful except the Muslims I know would consider your Muslim friends to be infidels. How many do you know? Also, why would they describe my folk as infidels? Please be specific.
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31st October 2016, 08:00 PM	#312
logger Banned Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 11,145	Originally Posted by LSSBB Gary Johnson is a better Republican than Trump, he gets my vote. And he is not a scamming liar, like Trump and Hillary. Enough about me though. I don't see MY name in the thread title. Fine, a vote for Johnson is a vote for Clinton. So the very thing you don't want ends up happening. Remember the lesser of two evils? Besides Johnson is just another rino who desperately wants to be part of the establishment. The clue would be him picking another rino, Weld as his VP
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31st October 2016, 08:01 PM	#313
logger Banned Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 11,145	Originally Posted by 332nd How so? Please be specific. Do your Muslim friends believe in Sharia?
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31st October 2016, 08:53 PM	#314
332nd Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 11,278	Originally Posted by logger Do your Muslim friends believe in Sharia? Yup, & just like Christians they pick & choose what really matters... kinda like how you tried to breeze past that first question. Now then, how many Muslims do you know?
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31st October 2016, 09:15 PM	#315
Foolmewunz Grammar Resistance Leader TLA Dictator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Pattaya, Thailand Posts: 41,468	Originally Posted by Jim_MDP Is that anything like food? Had a peek at Google images of the stuff... glad I haven't eaten yet. I'll have you know, sir, that Sainsbury's has won several awards for "Canned Item Most Similar to Real Food". (If you think their Chili looks worrisome do NOT try their baked beans.)
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