Calling Trumpistas "Stupid" May Be a Kindness They No Longer Merit

[Shalamar]

Originally Posted by theprestige

tl;dr - "you're eeevil!"

Send them back?

[Ziggurat]

Originally Posted by Upchurch

That’s a long speech with only brief mention of Obama. It appears that the they supported him, not because his policies were particularly communist, but because of his support of trade unions and his ability to pull together a large diverse voting block.

Whereas the Nazis support Trump because his racist policies sync with their own.

So, thanks for that.

Record low unemployment for blacks must be making those Nazis super happy.

[theprestige]

Originally Posted by Shalamar

Send them back?

Eeevil!

[Shalamar]

Originally Posted by theprestige

Eeevil!

I agree. Declaring 'Send them back' is evil. So was the chant 'Send her back'.

Or were you just being sarcastic?1

[Upchurch]

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

Record low unemployment for blacks must be making those Nazis super happy.

Trump claims he should take credit for black job gains. Here are the facts

Besides, Hispanic people are the scapegoat de jour.

[theprestige]

Originally Posted by Shalamar

I agree. Declaring 'Send them back' is evil. So was the chant 'Send her back'.

Or were you just being sarcastic?1

Not sarcastic.

Evil!

[Shalamar]

Originally Posted by theprestige

Not sarcastic.

Evil!

Mmm. Yeah. Sarcastic. A shame.

[Foolmewunz]

Originally Posted by theprestige

tl;dr - "you're eeevil!"

Originally Posted by theprestige

Eeevil!

That just gets funnier every time you say it? It's the conversational equivalent of running through Founders Square with your underpants on your head, but hey, who'm I to argue with clever conservative ripostes.

Methodology: Pick a word or a point and keep harping at it and hope no one notices that you have no arguments.

"Nazis!"
"Evil!!!"
"Time Well Spent"
"Childless Europeans"

You're in great company.

[Shalamar]

Originally Posted by Foolmewunz

That just gets funnier every time you say it? It's the conversational equivalent of running through Founders Square with your underpants on your head, but hey, who'm I to argue with clever conservative ripostes.

Methodology: Pick a word or a point and keep harping at it and hope no one notices that you have no arguments.

"Nazis!"
"Evil!!!"
"Time Well Spent"
"Childless Europeans"

You're in great company.

You forgot to add 'white' to 'Childless Europeans' though he did drop that fairly fast in an attempt to not appear racist.

[theprestige]

Originally Posted by Foolmewunz

<snip>

"You're eeevil!"

- Shorter FMW, probably

[theprestige]

The best part about this is that I don't even need arguments anymore. FMW has completely changed the game.

[Venom]

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

Record low unemployment for blacks must be making those Nazis super happy.

Like they'd care enough to check in the first place.

They're perfectly happy with Trump's xenophobic policies and proposals.

It's a far cry from American communists mentioning Obama once or twice before his whole Hope and Change stuff.

[Shalamar]

Originally Posted by theprestige

The best part about this is that I don't even need arguments anymore. FMW has completely changed the game.

Nah. That is not true.

"Sociallllists!"
"Commmies!"
"LIBTARDS!"

[theprestige]

Originally Posted by Shalamar

Nah. That is not true.

"Sociallllists!"
"Commmies!"
"LIBTARDS!"

Don't look at me. The worst thing I ever said was...

Hold on.

Was...

Dang.

Well, whatever it was, I'm sure it was rilly rilly eeevil.

[Shalamar]

Originally Posted by theprestige

Don't look at me. The worst thing I ever said was...

Hold on.

Was...

Dang.

Well, whatever it was, I'm sure it was rilly rilly eeevil.

Supporting racists? Dunno how eeeeevil that is.

[theprestige]

Originally Posted by Shalamar

Supporting racists? Dunno how eeeeevil that is.

EVIL!

[Foolmewunz]

Originally Posted by theprestige

The best part about this is that I don't even need arguments anymore. FMW has completely changed the game.

Hey, your side started it. Neener neener neener!

No, I didn't change the game. Donnie Johnny and the Miller Scumbag have taken the gloves off. Those in denial and peddling their political petunias while looking the other way are being called on it.

Anyone who doubts it can simply go to the "Send her back" thread and see the classic obstructionism and denialism in action. If not, go to the next Trump rally in your area. We still have people pretending that "send her back" meant something other than the blatantly and historically racist/bigoted comment that it is.

[Ziggurat]

Originally Posted by Foolmewunz

Hey, your side started it. Neener neener neener!

No, I didn't change the game. Donnie Johnny and the Miller Scumbag have taken the gloves off. Those in denial and peddling their political petunias while looking the other way are being called on it.

Anyone who doubts it can simply go to the "Send her back" thread and see the classic obstructionism and denialism in action. If not, go to the next Trump rally in your area. We still have people pretending that "send her back" meant something other than the blatantly and historically racist/bigoted comment that it is.

Have you ever been to a Trump rally?

[The Great Zaganza]

Trump's calling critical media outlets "Fake News", enemies of the people, traitors, losers is directly from the Nazi propaganda playbook.

[Shalamar]

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

Trump's calling critical media outlets "Fake News", enemies of the people, traitors, losers is directly from the Nazi propaganda playbook.

[retort]

eeeeevil

[/retort]

[Foolmewunz]

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

Have you ever been to a Trump rally?

No. What are they like?

[Baylor]

Originally Posted by Shalamar

You forgot to add 'white' to 'Childless Europeans' though he did drop that fairly fast in an attempt to not appear racist.

Yes, not appearing racist is my highest priority.

[Lurch]

Originally Posted by Baylor

Yes, not appearing racist is my highest priority.

Not *being* racist ranks up there for me.

[Upchurch]

Looks like the concerns about a Godwin dropped faster than the profits in a Trump casino.

[applecorped]

Originally Posted by Shalamar

Mmm. Yeah. Sarcastic. A shame.

an evil shame?

[Ziggurat]

Originally Posted by Foolmewunz

No. What are they like?

I don't know. I haven't been either.

But that's sort of the point: if you haven't been, then you don't know. Yet you feel positioned to opine on them anyways.

[Upchurch]

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

I don't know. I haven't been either.

But that's sort of the point: if you haven't been, then you don't know. Yet you feel positioned to opine on them anyways.

It is possible to know or have an informed opinion about something without personally witnessing it.

[Giz]

Originally Posted by Segnosaur

Liberals are "sore losers" in the same way that Jews in 1930s/40s Germany were "sore losers".

Indeed. Liberal in 2019 USA or Jew in 1944 Germany, fates are practically indistinguishable.

Are you for real?

Here’s a big ask to the “liberals”: please be less crazy than trump. I wouldn’t have thought that would have been hard... that will help come election time (you know, what the Jews didn’t get)

[Foolmewunz]

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

I don't know. I haven't been either.

But that's sort of the point: if you haven't been, then you don't know. Yet you feel positioned to opine on them anyways.

You're clutching at straws, aren't you? I suppose that it's easier tip-toeing through all the elephant dung than recognizing the reason that it's there.

Have you no access to the internet? Have you not seen Trumpistas not taking your hand-waving tack but saying that he's right and that people who hate the country should leave?

But keep on keeping on. The August edition of Hand-Wavers Monthly should have some more ploys for you. Anything's better than looking around and noticing the company you're keeping: bigots, xenophobes, racists, white nationalists.

Edited by zooterkin:

<SNIP> Edited for rule 0 and rule 12.

[Foolmewunz]

Originally Posted by Baylor

Yes, not appearing racist is my highest priority.

Psssst! It's not working.

[ahhell]

Originally Posted by WilliamSeger

I'd French kiss Al Sharpton before I'd vote for Trump.

Then you demonstrate my point.

Quote:

Cummings represents his district in the U.S. Congress. He's not the mayor of Baltimore or the Governor of Maryland, yet Trump thinks he should go back to Baltimore and clean up the slums rather than do his job as the elected Congressman for his district. Are you pretending not to see the similarity between that and the "suggestion" he made to the Squad? It's obvious enough why Trump is attacking Cummings; the matter under discussion is the nature of his attacks. People apparently more observant than trumpers are seeing a certain pattern.



You dodged my question. Yes, FOX teed up the ball with innuendo, but Trump whacked it right down the fairway. My question was, why did Trump characterize that slum as "Cumming's district" and why does he think Cummings should go fix that instead of doing his job?

I never said Trump was smart or well informed. He saw something on TV, it was bad, it was tenuously linked to a critic. I didn't dodge your question, your twisting yourself in knots to fit this square peg in your round hole. Its all too common when it comes to accusations of racism. Sure, not all are spurious. The "they should all go back to there countries" bit, clearly racist. Attacking a political opponent who happens to be black based on conditions in his home district, even if he doesn't really have control over it, not so much. Yet, lots of folks insist it is. This has been the case for decades. Every republican candidate for president in my memory has been attacked in this way.

Quote:

The last election? I think you missed one, but anyway, it would appear that having a multitude of candidates in 2016 gave Republicans exactly the one they really wanted. That was the lesson there: Republicans are no longer fit to govern.

If that's the lesson you've taken, well, then I was right this was pointless.

I will make this prediction. The democratic candidate for president will be someone who never pulled more than 40% favorability in the primary polling but will be polling above 80% the week after they secure the nomination. That will be the case if its Biden, Warren, the new age women, Beto, Harris, a glass of water. This is basic human psychology. Basic as in at the core rather than simple.

[theprestige]

Originally Posted by Upchurch

Looks like the concerns about a Godwin dropped faster than the profits in a Trump casino.

I don't think anyone has actually been concerned about Godwin's law since its inception. It was an interesting observation about the dynamics of online discussion, that became a meme over time. It's not like anyone was ever actually concerned about it.

[theprestige]

Originally Posted by Lurch

Not *being* racist ranks up there for me.

That's actually an interesting point.

Not being racist - more broadly, not being bigoted - is an ideal. It's something we should all strive for, but I don't think it's possible to achieve it. Maybe the Dalai Lama lives a life free from prejudice? I dunno.

Anyway, not being racist is a good goal. It's one of my goals. I think I've been doing pretty well, but I don't think I'm perfect yet. I don' think you or anyone else is perfect yet either. And the important thing is, where I'm at doesn't really depend on where you perceive I'm at, or where you choose to believe (or pretend) I'm at. You can call me racist all day long, and it won't change where I'm actually at.

On the other hand, not appearing to be racist has important benefits. Even if I'm not particularly racist, appearing to be racist has all kinds of negative impact on myself, my neighbors, and my community. So I think in some ways, a hardcore racist who keeps their racism to themselves and strives to appear tolerant and inclusive in public may be better for society than a casual bigot who's working on improving themselves but doesn't bother to suppress their problematic tendencies.

[theprestige]

Originally Posted by Foolmewunz

Have you not seen Trumpistas not taking your hand-waving tack but saying that he's right and that people who hate the country should leave?

Telling people who don't like the country that they should leave isn't racist, though.

The issue only becomes problematic when the person who doesn't like the country is in fact an immigrant.

It shouldn't be problematic, but it is.

[Ziggurat]

Originally Posted by Foolmewunz

You're clutching at straws, aren't you? I suppose that it's easier tip-toeing through all the elephant dung than recognizing the reason that it's there.

Have you no access to the internet? Have you not seen Trumpistas not taking your hand-waving tack but saying that he's right and that people who hate the country should leave?

But keep on keeping on. The August edition of Hand-Wavers Monthly should have some more ploys for you. Anything's better than looking around and noticing the company you're keeping: bigots, xenophobes, racists, white nationalists.

Edited by zooterkin:

<SNIP> Edited for rule 0 and rule 12.

One might be excused for thinking you hate Trump supporters.

[WilliamSeger]

Originally Posted by ahhell

...
If that's the lesson you've taken, well, then I was right this was pointless.

Yes, apologizing for this racist president and his rodent-infested administration is pointless.

My first real impression of Mike Pence was from the VP debates. When Kaine challenged him to defend offensive statements Trump had made, he just denied that Trump had even said them. Pence is the slack-jawed, pasty-faced poster boy for the rodent-infested Party of Trump.

[The Great Zaganza]

There is a difference between hating the country and hating how the country is run - and no Trump supporter seems to be willing to make the distinction.
It is almost as if criticism of Trump is being equated with criticism of the nation ...

[Ziggurat]

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

There is a difference between hating the country and hating how the country is run - and no Trump supporter seems to be willing to make the distinction.
It is almost as if criticism of Trump is being equated with criticism of the nation ...

This thread isn't about criticism of Trump. It's criticism of Trump supporters. Did you forget?

[Upchurch]

Originally Posted by theprestige

I don't think anyone has actually been concerned about Godwin's law since its inception. It was an interesting observation about the dynamics of online discussion, that became a meme over time. It's not like anyone was ever actually concerned about it.

Are you sure about that? I wasn't necessarily talking about you.

[Foolmewunz]

Originally Posted by theprestige

Telling people who don't like the country that they should leave isn't racist, though.

The issue only becomes problematic when the person who doesn't like the country is in fact an immigrant.

It shouldn't be problematic, but it is.

Telling people who don't like the country to leave CAN certainly be racist. You're trying an escape clause that just doesn't ring true. The blusterer in chief is saying that to three American-born suspiciously dark individuals. You can twist your forgiving self into pretzels but everyone else recognizes it for what it is.

Particularly when you've lived through desegregation and you've heard some Irish guy who got off a boat a generation ago tell a black African-American to go back to Africa.

Not to mention that you're treading on jingoistic holier-than-thou thin ice with the concept of "liking" or "hating" America. Dry-humping old glory is an act of patriotism in some circles. Standing up for what's right and protesting the miscreants leading your country into the 19th century is an act of patriotism to me. The construction workers who chased anti-war protesters with 2 x 4s all thought we should go to Russia if we didn't like it.