Neo-Nazis demanding a seat at the conservative table

SuburbanTurkey · 11th November 2019, 06:19 AM

An interesting turn of events in conservative US politics, Neo-Nazis have been showing up to mainstream conservative events and asserting their place as part of the movement.

There has been a series of events in which neo-nazis and other right wing nationalists have been heckling mainstream conservative types. This seems to be an escalation of the conflict between Turning Point's Charlie Kirk, a campus-based mainstream conservative group, and Nick Fuentes, a white-nationalist internet pundit. The nationalists have been attending TPUSA events and demanding that they be heard, or otherwise heckling the events.

This has escaped the Kirk-Fuentes feud now as Donald Trump Jr. was similarly heckled by nationalists at one of his book tour events.

It seems that the extreme right is no longer happy to accept dog-whistles and token efforts and is demanding that their ideas be taken seriously and answered directly. The nationalists have the opinion that MAGA has failed to be sufficiently anti-immigrant, anti-free trade, and generally not as extreme as promised.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...P=share_btn_tw
https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/char...ing-point-usa/

Craig4 · 11th November 2019, 06:23 AM

I'm all for it. Force Magascum and Trumptrash to embrace the logical outcome of their "ideas".

Belz... · 11th November 2019, 06:31 AM

Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey

The nationalists have the opinion that MAGA has failed to be sufficiently anti-immigrant, anti-free trade, and generally not as extreme as promised.

Yep, even Trump is not enough for them.

SuburbanTurkey · 11th November 2019, 06:34 AM

Originally Posted by Belz...

Yep, even Trump is not enough for them.

You have to admit, Trump's been doing a pretty fine job of straddling the fence, playing the mainstream conservative while still making fairly bold gestures to the fringe right. His veneer of deniability is pretty thin as it is, but I guess the Nazis want open endorsement at this point.

But talk is cheap, and the Nazis want more. Hope this rift tears the party apart, but I'm not sure what the play is here for the right wingers. Hopefully they are too short-sighted to see that Trump is their best option at the moment and continue to attack their own.

plague311 · 11th November 2019, 07:18 AM

Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey

Hope this rift tears the party apart, but I'm not sure what the play is here for the right wingers.

The problem for the right is that if they split and try to form 2 factions it's almost guaranteed they'll never have a majority again.

Distracted1 · 11th November 2019, 07:20 AM

Originally Posted by plague311

The problem for the right is that if they split and try to form 2 factions it's almost guaranteed they'll never have a majority again.

That is a problem for either Party.

johnny karate · 11th November 2019, 08:59 AM

Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey

This has escaped the Kirk-Fuentes feud now as Donald Trump Jr. was similarly heckled by nationalists at one of his book tour events.

Can we all just take moment to appreciate the delicious irony of Trump Jr. being booed offstage by other conservatives at a promotional event for a book entitled Triggered: How the Left Thrives on Hate and Wants to Silence Us?

SuburbanTurkey · 11th November 2019, 09:01 AM

Originally Posted by johnny karate

Can we all just take moment to appreciate the delicious irony of Trump Jr. being booed offstage by other conservatives at a promotional event for a book entitled Triggered: How the Left Thrives on Hate and Wants to Silence Us?

The Trump family is immune to irony. Jr. makes an ass of himself on a daily basis.

Donal · 11th November 2019, 09:08 AM

I like how his side piece, who he also acquired from FOX News, spoke to them like a bunch of children.

Quote:

Guilfoyle, forced to shout to make herself heard, told students in the crowd: “You’re not making your parents proud by being rude and disruptive.”

Vampires are more capable of self reflection.

Childlike Empress · 11th November 2019, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey

This has escaped the Kirk-Fuentes feud now as Donald Trump Jr. was similarly heckled by nationalists at one of his book tour events.

It seems that the extreme right is no longer happy to accept dog-whistles and token efforts and is demanding that their ideas be taken seriously and answered directly. The nationalists have the opinion that MAGA has failed to be sufficiently anti-immigrant, anti-free trade, and generally not as extreme as promised.

The Kirk guy was on stage with Don Jr. at that event. The Neon-Nazis planned to ask him questions that would expose his alleged agenda and make it impossible for Don Jr and Sr to further associate with him. This schism is most of all about them trying to isolate people they think have infiltrated and are subverting their MAGA thing on behalf of a foreign power (guess which).

acbytesla · 11th November 2019, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by Childlike Empress

The Kirk guy was on stage with Don Jr. at that event. The Neon-Nazis planned to ask him questions that would expose his alleged agenda and make it impossible for Don Jr and Sr to further associate with him. This schism is most of all about them trying to isolate people they think have infiltrated and are subverting their MAGA thing on behalf of a foreign power (guess which).

Huh? That all made sense...Not. Can anyone say "koo koo"?

smartcooky · 11th November 2019, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by Donal

I like how his side piece, who he also acquired from FOX News, spoke to them like a bunch of children.

Vampires are more capable of self reflection.

Nommed

Bram Stoker would have been proud to call that observation his own!

ahhell · 11th November 2019, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey

The Trump family is immune to irony. Jr. makes an ass of himself on a daily basis.

Sure, but most days he's overshadowed by his father's making an ass out of himself.

I for one do not want neo-nazi's being allowed a seat at any table. I hope American conservatives can keep them at bay and hopefully shake off Trumpism too.

Childlike Empress · 11th November 2019, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

Huh? That all made sense...Not. Can anyone say "koo koo"?

OK Boomer.

ponderingturtle · 11th November 2019, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by ahhell

Sure, but most days he's overshadowed by his father's making an ass out of himself.

I for one do not want neo-nazi's being allowed a seat at any table. I hope American conservatives can keep them at bay and hopefully shake off Trumpism too.

Then we shouldn't have elected someone who regularly retweets and cites them for fact as president. But we did and as a major influencer of the president they have a seat at the table.

SuburbanTurkey · 11th November 2019, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by Childlike Empress

The Kirk guy was on stage with Don Jr. at that event. The Neon-Nazis planned to ask him questions that would expose his alleged agenda and make it impossible for Don Jr and Sr to further associate with him. This schism is most of all about them trying to isolate people they think have infiltrated and are subverting their MAGA thing on behalf of a foreign power (guess which).

That detail did escape my attention. Perhaps the heckling of Trump Jr. was largely collateral damage in the extreme right's focus on Kirk. I'll be interested to see if this activity grows to include other mainstream conservatives, or if it remains focused on Kirk.

My understanding is that the far-right aren't particularly fond of the Trump children, or at least they don't like Ivanka and Jared, as they are seen as moderating voices in opposition to Trump's most reactionary instincts.

Childlike Empress · 11th November 2019, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey

That detail did escape my attention. Perhaps the heckling of Trump Jr. was largely collateral damage in the extreme right's focus on Kirk.

The orders from the Neon-Nazi Führer came loud and clear:

Originally Posted by Andre Wang Lin

Tomorrow is the final battle in Episode I of the Groyper War. Donald Trump Jr. is going to be at UCLA with Charlie Kirk for an official Turning Point USA event that I believe they are going to have to stream live on their YouTube channel.

We have a specific goal at this event, so for this one, forget everything we’ve done so far.

In LA, we want to drive a wedge between Charlie Kirk and President Trump by making the former look stupid in front of the son of the latter.

Thus, after listening to Groyper General Alpha Nick Fuentes, I must advise that no questions be asked about Israel, because that is an actual issue that Donald Trump and Charlie Kirk agree on.

Instead, we need to focus on our other two issues, namely immigration and sexual degeneracy. But everything must be done with the primary goal of humiliating Kirk, and showing that he does not represent the base, at all. We should also not hesitate to purposefully humiliate Kirk on a personal level.

Of course this is all in the open if you know where to look so if the targets aren't completely without intelligence (in the informational sense), they knew what was coming and apparently fleeing the stage after insulting the audience was the best they were able to come up with. The Führer was pleased.

Mumbles · 11th November 2019, 02:16 PM

Makes sense to me. after all, the the "other" if the base of the modern GOP, so why wouldn't they do this?

acbytesla · 11th November 2019, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

Huh? That all made sense...Not. Can anyone say "koo koo"?

Originally Posted by Childlike Empress

OK Boomer.

Go ahead. That post was koo koo nonsense. It's all a comspiracy against poor Putin. Waah.

CapelDodger · 11th November 2019, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by johnny karate

Can we all just take moment to appreciate the delicious irony of Trump Jr. being booed offstage by other conservatives at a promotional event for a book entitled Triggered: How the Left Thrives on Hate and Wants to Silence Us?

I took just such a moment when I read about it. I also indulged in a huge

.

Childlike Empress · 11th November 2019, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

Go ahead. That post was koo koo nonsense. It's all a comspiracy against poor Putin. Waah.

It's just a flesh wound.

Minoosh · 11th November 2019, 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey

My understanding is that the far-right aren't particularly fond of the Trump children, or at least they don't like Ivanka and Jared, as they are seen as moderating voices in opposition to Trump's most reactionary instincts.

They're Jewish. They have Jewish children. One might even say Ivanka is a traitor to her race.

smartcooky · 11th November 2019, 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by johnny karate

Can we all just take moment to appreciate the delicious irony of Trump Jr. being booed offstage by other conservatives at a promotional event for a book entitled Triggered: How the Left Thrives on Hate and Wants to Silence Us?

Irony so thick you can slice it with a bread knife!

Horhang · 11th November 2019, 09:34 PM

Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey

An interesting turn of events in conservative US politics, Neo-Nazis have been showing up to mainstream conservative events and asserting their place as part of the movement.

There has been a series of events in which neo-nazis and other right wing nationalists have been heckling mainstream conservative types. This seems to be an escalation of the conflict between Turning Point's Charlie Kirk, a campus-based mainstream conservative group, and Nick Fuentes, a white-nationalist internet pundit. The nationalists have been attending TPUSA events and demanding that they be heard, or otherwise heckling the events.

This has escaped the Kirk-Fuentes feud now as Donald Trump Jr. was similarly heckled by nationalists at one of his book tour events.

It seems that the extreme right is no longer happy to accept dog-whistles and token efforts and is demanding that their ideas be taken seriously and answered directly. The nationalists have the opinion that MAGA has failed to be sufficiently anti-immigrant, anti-free trade, and generally not as extreme as promised.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...P=share_btn_tw
https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/char...ing-point-usa/

This is not an accurate description of the event. A full video of the event is here.
https://crooksandliars.com/2019/11/d...ge-book-launch

Belz... · 12th November 2019, 04:16 AM

Originally Posted by Childlike Empress

OK Boomer.

Sure thing, tovarich.

Mike! · 12th November 2019, 05:12 AM

Nope. They can't even sit at the kiddie table.

ponderingturtle · 12th November 2019, 05:38 AM

Originally Posted by Mike!

Nope. They can't even sit at the kiddie table.

Yet they are some of the most popular generators of talking points and ideology, see Trump and Tucker Carlson. Does that not mean they are already at the table?

SuburbanTurkey · 12th November 2019, 05:51 AM

Originally Posted by ponderingturtle

Yet they are some of the most popular generators of talking points and ideology, see Trump and Tucker Carlson. Does that not mean they are already at the table?

Sure, and they generally love Tucker. Prime-time fox opinion is closing the gap between mainstream conservatives and open white nationalism. Turning Point USA has been a very public about distancing itself from open white nationalists, so they are being targeted as an example to the rest of conservatism.

SuburbanTurkey · 18th November 2019, 06:32 AM

The squabble continues:

Young Americans for Freedom (YAF), a conservative campus group, has dropped Michelle Malkin after her support of open white supremacist Nick Fuentes.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/conser...locaust-denier

YAF is shocked to learn that Malkin, author of the book "In Defense of Internment", is an ethno-nationalist.

Horatius · 18th November 2019, 07:34 AM

Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey

YAF is shocked to learn that Malkin, author of the book "In Defense of Internment", is an ethno-nationalist.

Sure, there's a certain amount of schadenfreude in watching these guys "realize" what we've been telling them all along, but look on the bright side: it's clear from their behavior that, even if they don't realize that racism is inherently wrong, they're at least starting to realize that it might be a losing electoral position - which means that they're hearing something, from somewhere, that's finally convinced them they're losing votes over this. Which means that a significant number of actual voters have realized that racism is inherently wrong.

That's got to be a good thing.

SuburbanTurkey · 18th November 2019, 07:48 AM

Originally Posted by Horatius

Sure, there's a certain amount of schadenfreude in watching these guys "realize" what we've been telling them all along, but look on the bright side: it's clear from their behavior that, even if they don't realize that racism is inherently wrong, they're at least starting to realize that it might be a losing electoral position - which means that they're hearing something, from somewhere, that's finally convinced them they're losing votes over this. Which means that a significant number of actual voters have realized that racism is inherently wrong.

That's got to be a good thing.

Conservative party shocked to find large pack of unruly, feral dogs causing a ruckus on their lawn after years of dog-whistling.

Craig4 · 18th November 2019, 08:01 AM

As well they should demand a seat at the table. It's been over two years since Der Trumpenfuher said they were very fine people.

carlitos · 18th November 2019, 08:18 AM

Originally Posted by Childlike Empress

The orders from the Neon-Nazi Führer came loud and clear:

Originally Posted by Andre Wang Lin

.........

Here's a recording of a podcast interview in which Andre Wang Lin denies AIDS / HIV.

hidden link is to bit chute

Trebuchet · 18th November 2019, 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey

The squabble continues:

Young Americans for Freedom (YAF), a conservative campus group, has dropped Michelle Malkin after her support of open white supremacist Nick Fuentes.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/conser...locaust-denier

YAF is shocked to learn that Malkin, author of the book "In Defense of Internment", is an ethno-nationalist.

She's not even white, which makes it kind of weird.

Childlike Empress · 18th November 2019, 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by carlitos

Here's a recording of a podcast interview in which Andre Wang Lin denies AIDS / HIV.

Uhhm, ok, but why? Isn't this thread unappetizing enough already?

Donal · 18th November 2019, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

She's not even white, which makes it kind of weird.

That's what made her semi popular. She makes a good shield.

"We can't be racist and misogynist. We have an Asian lady."

carlitos · 18th November 2019, 02:15 PM

According to Daniel Harper of the I don't speak German podcast, many of the neo-nazis he knows have a thing for the Asian ladies. Andrew Anglin of the Daily Stormer spent a fair amount of time in Davao City, Philippines, hitting on everything that moved, including girls as young as 14.

luchog · 18th November 2019, 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by Donal

That's what made her semi popular. She makes a good shield.

"We can't be racist and misogynist. We have an Asian lady."

Good old Tokenism and Model Minority at work.

Originally Posted by carlitos

According to Daniel Harper of the I don't speak German podcast, many of the neo-nazis he knows have a thing for the Asian ladies. Andrew Anglin of the Daily Stormer spent a fair amount of time in Davao City, Philippines, hitting on everything that moved, including girls as young as 14.

A lot of people forget that the Nazis have always had a thing for Asians. Hitler himself referred to the Japanese as "honorary Aryans". He did the same for the Arab rulers of Palestine, who were themselves engaged in pogroms against the Jewish communities there.

dudalb · 18th November 2019, 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey

The squabble continues:

Young Americans for Freedom (YAF), a conservative campus group, has dropped Michelle Malkin after her support of open white supremacist Nick Fuentes.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/conser...locaust-denier

YAF is shocked to learn that Malkin, author of the book "In Defense of Internment", is an ethno-nationalist.

Yeah, that is definelty in Claude Rains "I am shocked...SHOCKED" in "Casablanca" territory.

dudalb · 18th November 2019, 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey

Conservative party shocked to find large pack of unruly, feral dogs causing a ruckus on their lawn after years of dog-whistling.

I am very disgusted at Consevatives in America at the moment. Not least because on some fiscal issues and defense issues I would be considered a moderate conservative. No wonder a lot of conservatives call themselves "Libertarians".
Problem is the crazy relatives that the conservatives had kept locked in the attic except at election day have escapes and are running all over the house.

11th November 2019, 06:19 AM	#1
SuburbanTurkey Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Massachusetts, USA Posts: 7,903	Neo-Nazis demanding a seat at the conservative table An interesting turn of events in conservative US politics, Neo-Nazis have been showing up to mainstream conservative events and asserting their place as part of the movement. There has been a series of events in which neo-nazis and other right wing nationalists have been heckling mainstream conservative types. This seems to be an escalation of the conflict between Turning Point's Charlie Kirk, a campus-based mainstream conservative group, and Nick Fuentes, a white-nationalist internet pundit. The nationalists have been attending TPUSA events and demanding that they be heard, or otherwise heckling the events. This has escaped the Kirk-Fuentes feud now as Donald Trump Jr. was similarly heckled by nationalists at one of his book tour events. It seems that the extreme right is no longer happy to accept dog-whistles and token efforts and is demanding that their ideas be taken seriously and answered directly. The nationalists have the opinion that MAGA has failed to be sufficiently anti-immigrant, anti-free trade, and generally not as extreme as promised. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...P=share_btn_tw https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/char...ing-point-usa/
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11th November 2019, 06:31 AM	#3
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In a post-fact world Posts: 91,292	Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey The nationalists have the opinion that MAGA has failed to be sufficiently anti-immigrant, anti-free trade, and generally not as extreme as promised. Yep, even Trump is not enough for them.
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11th November 2019, 06:34 AM	#4
SuburbanTurkey Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Massachusetts, USA Posts: 7,903	Originally Posted by Belz... Yep, even Trump is not enough for them. You have to admit, Trump's been doing a pretty fine job of straddling the fence, playing the mainstream conservative while still making fairly bold gestures to the fringe right. His veneer of deniability is pretty thin as it is, but I guess the Nazis want open endorsement at this point. But talk is cheap, and the Nazis want more. Hope this rift tears the party apart, but I'm not sure what the play is here for the right wingers. Hopefully they are too short-sighted to see that Trump is their best option at the moment and continue to attack their own.
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11th November 2019, 07:18 AM	#5
plague311 Great minds think... Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: North Dakota Posts: 8,461	Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey Hope this rift tears the party apart, but I'm not sure what the play is here for the right wingers. The problem for the right is that if they split and try to form 2 factions it's almost guaranteed they'll never have a majority again.
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11th November 2019, 07:20 AM	#6
Distracted1 Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 5,389	Originally Posted by plague311 The problem for the right is that if they split and try to form 2 factions it's almost guaranteed they'll never have a majority again. That is a problem for either Party.
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11th November 2019, 06:23 AM	#2
Craig4 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: I live in a swamp Posts: 22,550	I'm all for it. Force Magascum and Trumptrash to embrace the logical outcome of their "ideas".

11th November 2019, 08:59 AM	#7
johnny karate ... and your little dog too. Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 14,410	Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey This has escaped the Kirk-Fuentes feud now as Donald Trump Jr. was similarly heckled by nationalists at one of his book tour events. Can we all just take moment to appreciate the delicious irony of Trump Jr. being booed offstage by other conservatives at a promotional event for a book entitled Triggered: How the Left Thrives on Hate and Wants to Silence Us?

11th November 2019, 09:01 AM	#8
SuburbanTurkey Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Massachusetts, USA Posts: 7,903	Originally Posted by johnny karate Can we all just take moment to appreciate the delicious irony of Trump Jr. being booed offstage by other conservatives at a promotional event for a book entitled Triggered: How the Left Thrives on Hate and Wants to Silence Us? The Trump family is immune to irony. Jr. makes an ass of himself on a daily basis.
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11th November 2019, 09:08 AM	#9
Donal Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 4,332	I like how his side piece, who he also acquired from FOX News, spoke to them like a bunch of children. Quote: Guilfoyle, forced to shout to make herself heard, told students in the crowd: “You’re not making your parents proud by being rude and disruptive.” Vampires are more capable of self reflection.
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11th November 2019, 12:19 PM	#10
Childlike Empress Ewige Blumenkraft Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Ivory Tower Posts: 18,967	Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey This has escaped the Kirk-Fuentes feud now as Donald Trump Jr. was similarly heckled by nationalists at one of his book tour events. It seems that the extreme right is no longer happy to accept dog-whistles and token efforts and is demanding that their ideas be taken seriously and answered directly. The nationalists have the opinion that MAGA has failed to be sufficiently anti-immigrant, anti-free trade, and generally not as extreme as promised. The Kirk guy was on stage with Don Jr. at that event. The Neon-Nazis planned to ask him questions that would expose his alleged agenda and make it impossible for Don Jr and Sr to further associate with him. This schism is most of all about them trying to isolate people they think have infiltrated and are subverting their MAGA thing on behalf of a foreign power (guess which).
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11th November 2019, 12:25 PM	#11
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 28,190	Originally Posted by Childlike Empress The Kirk guy was on stage with Don Jr. at that event. The Neon-Nazis planned to ask him questions that would expose his alleged agenda and make it impossible for Don Jr and Sr to further associate with him. This schism is most of all about them trying to isolate people they think have infiltrated and are subverting their MAGA thing on behalf of a foreign power (guess which). Huh? That all made sense...Not. Can anyone say "koo koo"?
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11th November 2019, 12:26 PM	#12
smartcooky Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Nelson, New Zealand Posts: 16,753	Originally Posted by Donal I like how his side piece, who he also acquired from FOX News, spoke to them like a bunch of children. Vampires are more capable of self reflection. Nommed Bram Stoker would have been proud to call that observation his own!
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11th November 2019, 12:26 PM	#13
ahhell Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 3,402	Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey The Trump family is immune to irony. Jr. makes an ass of himself on a daily basis. Sure, but most days he's overshadowed by his father's making an ass out of himself. I for one do not want neo-nazi's being allowed a seat at any table. I hope American conservatives can keep them at bay and hopefully shake off Trumpism too.
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11th November 2019, 12:29 PM	#14
Childlike Empress Ewige Blumenkraft Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Ivory Tower Posts: 18,967	Originally Posted by acbytesla Huh? That all made sense...Not. Can anyone say "koo koo"? OK Boomer.
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11th November 2019, 12:30 PM	#15
ponderingturtle Orthogonal Vector Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 50,412	Originally Posted by ahhell Sure, but most days he's overshadowed by his father's making an ass out of himself. I for one do not want neo-nazi's being allowed a seat at any table. I hope American conservatives can keep them at bay and hopefully shake off Trumpism too. Then we shouldn't have elected someone who regularly retweets and cites them for fact as president. But we did and as a major influencer of the president they have a seat at the table.
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11th November 2019, 12:45 PM	#16
SuburbanTurkey Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Massachusetts, USA Posts: 7,903	Originally Posted by Childlike Empress The Kirk guy was on stage with Don Jr. at that event. The Neon-Nazis planned to ask him questions that would expose his alleged agenda and make it impossible for Don Jr and Sr to further associate with him. This schism is most of all about them trying to isolate people they think have infiltrated and are subverting their MAGA thing on behalf of a foreign power (guess which). That detail did escape my attention. Perhaps the heckling of Trump Jr. was largely collateral damage in the extreme right's focus on Kirk. I'll be interested to see if this activity grows to include other mainstream conservatives, or if it remains focused on Kirk. My understanding is that the far-right aren't particularly fond of the Trump children, or at least they don't like Ivanka and Jared, as they are seen as moderating voices in opposition to Trump's most reactionary instincts.
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11th November 2019, 01:33 PM	#17
Childlike Empress Ewige Blumenkraft Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Ivory Tower Posts: 18,967	Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey That detail did escape my attention. Perhaps the heckling of Trump Jr. was largely collateral damage in the extreme right's focus on Kirk. The orders from the Neon-Nazi Führer came loud and clear: Originally Posted by Andre Wang Lin Tomorrow is the final battle in Episode I of the Groyper War. Donald Trump Jr. is going to be at UCLA with Charlie Kirk for an official Turning Point USA event that I believe they are going to have to stream live on their YouTube channel. We have a specific goal at this event, so for this one, forget everything we’ve done so far. In LA, we want to drive a wedge between Charlie Kirk and President Trump by making the former look stupid in front of the son of the latter. Thus, after listening to Groyper General Alpha Nick Fuentes, I must advise that no questions be asked about Israel, because that is an actual issue that Donald Trump and Charlie Kirk agree on. Instead, we need to focus on our other two issues, namely immigration and sexual degeneracy. But everything must be done with the primary goal of humiliating Kirk, and showing that he does not represent the base, at all. We should also not hesitate to purposefully humiliate Kirk on a personal level. Of course this is all in the open if you know where to look so if the targets aren't completely without intelligence (in the informational sense), they knew what was coming and apparently fleeing the stage after insulting the audience was the best they were able to come up with. The Führer was pleased.
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11th November 2019, 02:16 PM	#18
Mumbles Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 8,396	Makes sense to me. after all, the the "other" if the base of the modern GOP, so why wouldn't they do this?
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11th November 2019, 02:20 PM	#19
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 28,190	Originally Posted by acbytesla Huh? That all made sense...Not. Can anyone say "koo koo"? Originally Posted by Childlike Empress OK Boomer. Go ahead. That post was koo koo nonsense. It's all a comspiracy against poor Putin. Waah.
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11th November 2019, 02:31 PM	#20
CapelDodger Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Cardiff, South Wales Posts: 25,048	Originally Posted by johnny karate Can we all just take moment to appreciate the delicious irony of Trump Jr. being booed offstage by other conservatives at a promotional event for a book entitled Triggered: How the Left Thrives on Hate and Wants to Silence Us? I took just such a moment when I read about it. I also indulged in a huge .
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11th November 2019, 03:10 PM	#21
Childlike Empress Ewige Blumenkraft Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Ivory Tower Posts: 18,967	Originally Posted by acbytesla Go ahead. That post was koo koo nonsense. It's all a comspiracy against poor Putin. Waah. It's just a flesh wound.
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11th November 2019, 03:25 PM	#22
Minoosh Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 12,231	Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey My understanding is that the far-right aren't particularly fond of the Trump children, or at least they don't like Ivanka and Jared, as they are seen as moderating voices in opposition to Trump's most reactionary instincts. They're Jewish. They have Jewish children. One might even say Ivanka is a traitor to her race.

11th November 2019, 08:19 PM	#23
smartcooky Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Nelson, New Zealand Posts: 16,753	Originally Posted by johnny karate Can we all just take moment to appreciate the delicious irony of Trump Jr. being booed offstage by other conservatives at a promotional event for a book entitled Triggered: How the Left Thrives on Hate and Wants to Silence Us? Irony so thick you can slice it with a bread knife!
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11th November 2019, 09:34 PM	#24
Horhang Scholar Join Date: Sep 2017 Posts: 104	Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey An interesting turn of events in conservative US politics, Neo-Nazis have been showing up to mainstream conservative events and asserting their place as part of the movement. There has been a series of events in which neo-nazis and other right wing nationalists have been heckling mainstream conservative types. This seems to be an escalation of the conflict between Turning Point's Charlie Kirk, a campus-based mainstream conservative group, and Nick Fuentes, a white-nationalist internet pundit. The nationalists have been attending TPUSA events and demanding that they be heard, or otherwise heckling the events. This has escaped the Kirk-Fuentes feud now as Donald Trump Jr. was similarly heckled by nationalists at one of his book tour events. It seems that the extreme right is no longer happy to accept dog-whistles and token efforts and is demanding that their ideas be taken seriously and answered directly. The nationalists have the opinion that MAGA has failed to be sufficiently anti-immigrant, anti-free trade, and generally not as extreme as promised. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...P=share_btn_tw https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/char...ing-point-usa/ This is not an accurate description of the event. A full video of the event is here. https://crooksandliars.com/2019/11/d...ge-book-launch
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12th November 2019, 04:16 AM	#25
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In a post-fact world Posts: 91,292	Originally Posted by Childlike Empress OK Boomer. Sure thing, tovarich.
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12th November 2019, 05:12 AM	#26
Mike! Official Ponylandistanian National Treasure. Respect it! Join Date: May 2010 Location: Ponylandistan! Where the bacon grows on trees! Can it get any better than that? I submit it can not! Posts: 40,178	Nope. They can't even sit at the kiddie table.
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12th November 2019, 05:38 AM	#27
ponderingturtle Orthogonal Vector Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 50,412	Originally Posted by Mike! Nope. They can't even sit at the kiddie table. Yet they are some of the most popular generators of talking points and ideology, see Trump and Tucker Carlson. Does that not mean they are already at the table?
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12th November 2019, 05:51 AM	#28
SuburbanTurkey Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Massachusetts, USA Posts: 7,903	Originally Posted by ponderingturtle Yet they are some of the most popular generators of talking points and ideology, see Trump and Tucker Carlson. Does that not mean they are already at the table? Sure, and they generally love Tucker. Prime-time fox opinion is closing the gap between mainstream conservatives and open white nationalism. Turning Point USA has been a very public about distancing itself from open white nationalists, so they are being targeted as an example to the rest of conservatism.
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18th November 2019, 06:32 AM	#29
SuburbanTurkey Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Massachusetts, USA Posts: 7,903	The squabble continues: Young Americans for Freedom (YAF), a conservative campus group, has dropped Michelle Malkin after her support of open white supremacist Nick Fuentes. https://www.thedailybeast.com/conser...locaust-denier YAF is shocked to learn that Malkin, author of the book "In Defense of Internment", is an ethno-nationalist.
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18th November 2019, 07:34 AM	#30
Horatius NWO Kitty Wrangler Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 29,008	Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey YAF is shocked to learn that Malkin, author of the book "In Defense of Internment", is an ethno-nationalist. Sure, there's a certain amount of schadenfreude in watching these guys "realize" what we've been telling them all along, but look on the bright side: it's clear from their behavior that, even if they don't realize that racism is inherently wrong, they're at least starting to realize that it might be a losing electoral position - which means that they're hearing something, from somewhere, that's finally convinced them they're losing votes over this. Which means that a significant number of actual voters have realized that racism is inherently wrong. That's got to be a good thing.
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18th November 2019, 07:48 AM	#31
SuburbanTurkey Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Massachusetts, USA Posts: 7,903	Originally Posted by Horatius Sure, there's a certain amount of schadenfreude in watching these guys "realize" what we've been telling them all along, but look on the bright side: it's clear from their behavior that, even if they don't realize that racism is inherently wrong, they're at least starting to realize that it might be a losing electoral position - which means that they're hearing something, from somewhere, that's finally convinced them they're losing votes over this. Which means that a significant number of actual voters have realized that racism is inherently wrong. That's got to be a good thing. Conservative party shocked to find large pack of unruly, feral dogs causing a ruckus on their lawn after years of dog-whistling.
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18th November 2019, 08:01 AM	#32
Craig4 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: I live in a swamp Posts: 22,550	As well they should demand a seat at the table. It's been over two years since Der Trumpenfuher said they were very fine people.

18th November 2019, 08:18 AM	#33
carlitos "más divertido" Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: USA! USA! Posts: 22,786	Originally Posted by Childlike Empress The orders from the Neon-Nazi Führer came loud and clear: Originally Posted by Andre Wang Lin ......... Here's a recording of a podcast interview in which Andre Wang Lin denies AIDS / HIV. hidden link is to bit chute https://www.bitchute.com/video/t6diBdLz4pDL/

18th November 2019, 01:18 PM	#34
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 30,991	Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey The squabble continues: Young Americans for Freedom (YAF), a conservative campus group, has dropped Michelle Malkin after her support of open white supremacist Nick Fuentes. https://www.thedailybeast.com/conser...locaust-denier YAF is shocked to learn that Malkin, author of the book "In Defense of Internment", is an ethno-nationalist. She's not even white, which makes it kind of weird.
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18th November 2019, 01:53 PM	#35
Childlike Empress Ewige Blumenkraft Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Ivory Tower Posts: 18,967	Originally Posted by carlitos Here's a recording of a podcast interview in which Andre Wang Lin denies AIDS / HIV. Uhhm, ok, but why? Isn't this thread unappetizing enough already?
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