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He's so loyal Trump will make him his running mate in 2020. | 1 | 2.78% | |
He'll continue being Trump's crazy lawyer and spokesperson. | 8 | 22.22% | |
He won't be indicted, but Trump will pretend he doesn't know him. | 10 | 27.78% | |
Rudy will be indicted but won't be convicted. | 6 | 16.67% | |
He'll be convicted but Trump will pardon him | 7 | 19.44% | |
The guy is toast. "America's mayor will die in prison. | 4 | 11.11% | |
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9th November 2019, 06:07 PM | #1 |
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What's going to happen to Rudy?
I figure it is time to give Rudy his own thread. Given that he's being investigated by the group of pit bulls he use to lead 25 years ago, I'm curious what people think what will happen to him.
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9th November 2019, 06:10 PM | #2 |
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I think that all depends on how successful the Federal Bureau of Prisons has been in stopping sexual assault in their facilities.
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9th November 2019, 06:10 PM | #3 |
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He'll die. Eventually. Sometime before that he'll become a punch line.
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9th November 2019, 06:16 PM | #4 |
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His cursed dentures are going to bite his tongue off as soon as he hits his one millionth lie. Saw it in an episode of Twilight Zone!
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9th November 2019, 06:46 PM | #5 |
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Hanging's too good for him.
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9th November 2019, 06:53 PM | #6 |
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9th November 2019, 06:55 PM | #7 |
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Being the victim of genocidal atrocities does not give you free reign to commit your own genocidal atrocities. When Republican politicians were young, they were the kids who watched James Bond movies and said "I want to grow up to be just like [insert name of villain here]." |
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9th November 2019, 07:19 PM | #8 |
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What will happen to Rudy?
He's so loyal Trump will make him his running mate in 2020. He'll continue being Trump's crazy lawyer and spokesperson. Whatever he's accused of doing with or saying to Trump, they'll both deny, then some evidence will be found, then they'll both say they don't remember, then it'll be proven in other ways, then they'll say, it doesn't matter Biden's cousin's neighbour did D,F, or G. He will be indicted, and throw Trump under the bus for a plea bargain. He'll be convicted and Trump will try to pardon him in return for some shady mob stuff behind bars, but too late when the GOP's election campaign will be ruled invalid by 19 House Committee investigations, multiple state investigations, the IRS, and Russia, Iran, China, Korea, Israel and Saudi Arabia throwing the Trump Campaign, its associates, and the GOP under the bus. They're all toast. |
9th November 2019, 08:03 PM | #9 |
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I have suspicions, but currently I'm waiting on the evidence.
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9th November 2019, 08:49 PM | #10 |
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9th November 2019, 09:07 PM | #11 |
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9th November 2019, 09:37 PM | #12 |
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The shadows on the wall tell me the sun is going down
And Rudy, will take his love to town. |
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9th November 2019, 09:46 PM | #13 |
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He will be prosecuted, and he and Trump will use the diversion to cry more Witch Hunt!
At the end, Trump will Pardon him. |
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9th November 2019, 10:02 PM | #14 |
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"Rudy Giuliani? I don't know him, never met him."
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9th November 2019, 11:42 PM | #15 |
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I have no idea yet. The fact that the dems aren't enforcing the subpoena yet is worrying me.
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10th November 2019, 12:14 AM | #16 |
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Firstly, he will get a very close look at what the underside of a bus looks like.
Secondly, SDNY will indict him (I believe Barr's loyalty to Trump is not infinite) Thirdly, when the prospect of ending up in a Federal prison as an inmate with so many of the crims he put there looks to approach certainty, he will sing like a canary. |
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10th November 2019, 01:43 AM | #17 |
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Since Rudy's one of the people who truly knows what happened and can clear the president, Democrats will do everything in their power to stop him from testifying.
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10th November 2019, 06:11 AM | #18 |
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I think the more interesting question is, “What happened to Rudy?”
Granted, he rode 9/11 pretty hard, but not without some merit, to some extent at least. Did he simply pull an Icarus and attempt to fly too high on a poorly thought out set of wings? Or is he exhibiting dementia? Or just had too much Trump kool-aid? |
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10th November 2019, 08:35 AM | #19 |
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10th November 2019, 09:12 AM | #20 |
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I saw a thing a while back that said he's developed a really bad drinking problem. Pretty sure he dumped his wife for a younger model, too. Basically, a chaotic personal life. You can't rule out the possibility that he takes the same drugs Trump probably does (stimulants at times, tranquilizers at others.)
I sense that he was never very bright (he probably barely passed the bar), but had a lot of natural charisma, and that's what he coasted on for most of his life. Once Trump entered his life on an close and personal level, the "Everything Trump Touches Dies" effect kicked in. "Crazy" can be contagious, too. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folie_%C3%A0_deux eta: http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/...i-divorce.html
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10th November 2019, 09:30 AM | #21 |
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Their strategy is not getting bogged down waiting for the courts but to list the stonewalling as one of the articles of impeachment. And frankly, i think that article is the most damning.
I do hope they follow up and issue contempt citations to every single person who refused their subpoenas. And I don't say that seeking retribution but allowing this sets a horrible precedent. |
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10th November 2019, 09:41 AM | #22 |
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My take:
He has been part of Team Trump for a long time, but that team has been losing members - Alies, Cohen, Stone, to name the most critical. I think Giuliani took it upon himself to replace all of them: become a lawyer, fixer and media surrogate looking for the dirty trick to help Trump stay in power. Seeing how much success and contacts Manafort had in Ukraine, and how much of a pain the country has been in Trump's attempts to make Russia a formal ally, it is not surprising that Rudy thought he could do an Roger Alies-level false information campaign. |
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He's so loyal Trump will mate with him in 2020.
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10th November 2019, 12:08 PM | #24 |
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10th November 2019, 12:41 PM | #25 |
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Rich old guy? He'll get off scot-free. They all will.
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10th November 2019, 01:20 PM | #26 |
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He's been scummy for a good long time, IMO, although he's recently seen new lows as an open subverter of US diplomacy. His weird ferret ban, his vindictive attacks on museums, his unsealing Patrick Dorismond's juvinile record to show that "he was no altar boy" (Dorismond had actually served as an altar boy), His fondness for Bernie Kerik, his launching his mayoral campaign during a racist police riot (that was a response to Dinkens attempting to create a civilian review board)...
Even in 9/11 he was actually a hindrance, having demanded the NYC's Emergency Management Center be placed in building 7 of the WTC, despite it being a known terrorist target. (Do his kids still refuse to talk to him?) |
10th November 2019, 01:38 PM | #27 |
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10th November 2019, 01:39 PM | #28 |
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I hear the words "I barely knew him. We might have met once or twice, he basically got the coffee" in his future.
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10th November 2019, 04:02 PM | #30 |
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As for consequences: Ghouliani's already being blamed for the entire mess - although how this works when Dolt 45 outright tells the Ukraine PM to talk to him in his pseudo-transcript, I have no clue.
I expect he'll be disbarred, but will likely avoid jail time. |
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10th November 2019, 05:10 PM | #32 |
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10th November 2019, 05:16 PM | #33 |
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10th November 2019, 05:32 PM | #34 |
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10th November 2019, 05:42 PM | #35 |
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10th November 2019, 05:50 PM | #36 |
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10th November 2019, 06:16 PM | #37 |
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Do you really think that a man like Lev Parnas would flip? https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...to-investigate |
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10th November 2019, 06:48 PM | #38 |
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I guess even faster than I thought.
I swear the GOP's thinks "gaslighting" the entire United States is the best strategy. Is Vindman lying? Is Ambassador Taylor lying? Is Fiona Hill lying? Is Ambassador Yovanovitch lying? Is Ambassador Sondland lying? Hell EVERY SINGLE testimony has backed up the Whistleblower's report and all the serious sycophants have decided they can't be bothered to testify even though they were subpoenaed! And yet Trump is being denied due process? Give me a break. Rudy, the liar, I mean lawyer in thie middle of all this and only mentioned more than 600 times in the various testimonies could clear this up. But does Rudy testify? Nope. Mulvaney is Trump's chief of staff. He could correct the record on Trump's behalf couldn't he? That is if he would be willing to stand up and be counted. Does he testify? Nope. How about Secretary of State Pompeo? Nope. Energy Secretary Perry? No again. And yet the GOP is whining that the whistleblower who admitted that ALL of his knowledge was second hand needs to testify? A person who has EVERY RIGHT to keep silent? Give me a break you dishonest scumbags. |
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10th November 2019, 08:17 PM | #39 |
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11th November 2019, 03:25 AM | #40 |
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Trump has thrown several people under the bus, and a week or two ago publicly distanced himself from Giuliani by saying that he hadn't spoken to him and didn't know if he was still Trump's lawyer. So I wouldn't bet my house on loyalty and protection from Trump, were I Giuliani.
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