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19th February 2019, 05:53 AM | #1 |
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Police coordinate with right wing extremists
In this totally expected and predicted result
"Police in Portland, Ore., are facing accusations of “collusion” with right-wing extremists following the publication of text messages between Portland Police Lt. Jeff Niiya and far-right activist Joey Gibson. Gibson, the leader of the right-wing group Patriot Prayer, reportedly communicated in a friendly way with Niiya, including about plans for demonstrations that often turned into violent clashes with left-wing "antifa" protesters." https://thehill.com/homenews/state-w...tremists-after Pay no attention to the cops working hand in glove with the nazis, this is total left wing fantasy. At least america is still great, as nothing has changed since the Greensboro massacre when america was great! |
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19th February 2019, 06:18 AM | #2 |
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I guess you could argue that the cop (who was in charge of overseeing protests) can text whoever he wants, as long as it doesn't affect his work. It may even be argued that he was collecting intel from one of the leaders.
But when discussing an arrest warrant out for one of the Patriot Prayer members, the cop (Niiya) texts: "On Dec. 8, 2017, Niiya asks Gibson if Toese had "his court stuff taken care of," referring to an active warrant for Toese's arrest. Niiya goes on to say officers ignored the warrant at a past protest and tells Gibson that he doesn't see a need to arrest Toese even if he has a warrant, unless Toese commits a new crime." So that looks more like outright interference with arresting, based on personal/ideological grounds. Bad news, if so. https://www.wweek.com/news/courts/20...warm-exchange/ |
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19th February 2019, 06:29 AM | #3 |
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Cops and Klan go hand in hand...
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19th February 2019, 06:45 AM | #4 |
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What is the basis for calling them Nazis or extremists?
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19th February 2019, 06:55 AM | #5 |
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19th February 2019, 07:10 AM | #6 |
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Well, they certainly seem to show up with Proud Boys, Identity Evropa and others with them. But you are right, the SPLC does not list them as a hate group, nor their leader, Gibson, as an extremist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Prayer |
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19th February 2019, 07:10 AM | #7 |
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Let he without multiple arrests for engaging in political street violence throw the first stone.
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19th February 2019, 08:02 AM | #8 |
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I have no doubt about Richard Spencer. I'm just not quite sure what to make of Joey Gibson and his group.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Prayer
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19th February 2019, 08:14 AM | #9 |
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19th February 2019, 09:10 AM | #10 |
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He certainly knew that some of the ones coming had active warrants out for them.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...on-joey-gibson His statements in there seem to be like he is looking foward to gunning down some libtards. This really does seem just like greenesboro with the cops working hand in glove with the good right wing KKK or proud boys here. |
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19th February 2019, 09:13 AM | #11 |
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19th February 2019, 09:35 AM | #12 |
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Policeman does his job, get thrown under the bus
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19th February 2019, 09:36 AM | #13 |
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Despite the fact that in this day and age, they train together, share intel resources, and keep hiring each other's officers and brass, no matter what baggage they come with.
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19th February 2019, 09:55 AM | #14 |
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It is a bit ironic seeing in that article that Portland's mayor wants an investigation of the police coordinating with leaders of a protest , given that Portland's mayor order the police to stand down last fall so the antifa ***** could block traffic and harass and attack motorists.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...ision-allow-a/ Say, maybe people were texting the Cop to ask how to avoid the intersections that the antifa ***** had shut down with the full blessing of portland's **** head mayor? |
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19th February 2019, 10:14 AM | #16 |
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I am not sure how to answer that. There have been several properly permitted demonstrations by "right wing' groups. the police were clearly involved however, given the fact that antifa and black block scum were attacking them. Indeed the article states that the text messages were designed in part to avoid confrontations.
If you are suggesting that the left wing scum blocking intersections and harassing motorists that the mayor rolled over on were properly permitted, the answer is no. |
19th February 2019, 10:40 AM | #17 |
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FTFY, above.
Police certainly use their discretion to allow protesting, which can get out of hand. See the little known Charlottesville incidents. The texts being used to 'avoid confrontations' are perhaps not the not the approach you want to take, however. The police texted that they would give a pass to known right wing criminals with warrants out for their arrest. It's not the legal kind of advice being offered. |
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19th February 2019, 10:49 AM | #18 |
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There was extensive communication between Unite the Right people and Charlottesville PD leading up to the rally there as well. I'm aware that this is common at many of these rallies and has been for a long time.
The reason for this is that the alt-right has a lot of veterans, police, and people who respect law and order and have nothing but positive feelings toward the police, for the most part. They want orderly rallies without violence and want to simply demonstrate and get their message out there. The violence always begins due to antifa who are anti-order, anti-cop, and are just generally scum of the earth who are corrosive to society. Misfits, degenerates, and awful people in every possible way. So it's natural for such communication to occur between the right and the cops. They are two forces of order seeking to negotiate how to carry out a lawful event with as minimal of disruption and chaos as possible. The two forces of order discussing how to best handle the one force of chaos (the left.) |
19th February 2019, 10:56 AM | #19 |
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I believe this to be a rorshach test.
Option 1. Police colluding with right wing extremist. Believable, there's definitely history. Option 2. Police working with an event organizer in order to ensure public safety. Believable and something they actually should do. |
19th February 2019, 10:59 AM | #20 |
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19th February 2019, 11:05 AM | #21 |
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Probably don't want to lead with that one...
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19th February 2019, 11:59 AM | #23 |
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I'm having a hard time parsing this or the relevance of a shooting on the other side of the country that wasn't in any way related to demonstrations left or right. There are also numerous examples of white people who were shot by cops for now good reason, is that evidence that they are colluding with left wing groups?
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20th February 2019, 01:46 AM | #25 |
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Sounds like rival groups of football hooligans looking for an excuse to get in a scrape with each other.
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20th February 2019, 05:41 AM | #26 |
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I get that impression too. If one side didn't show up, the other would likely be very disappointed. Pointless street brawls between extremist groups don't really accomplish anything, but they sure do feel like it. Nothing burns off the frustration of being irrelevant quite like a violent confrontation with your enemies.
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20th February 2019, 07:24 AM | #27 |
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20th February 2019, 11:50 AM | #28 |
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There's probably a distinction that can be made between protesters who show up wearing masks and bearing clubs, and those that don't. Heather Heyer wasn't bashing some alt-right loser with a 1" wooden post when she got ran over and killed. Had she been killed during a bout of mutual combat, she wouldn't be seen in the same favorable light.
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20th February 2019, 12:32 PM | #29 |
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Why should they be making that clear? Shouldn't anyone with a warrant out for their arrest, even a minor one, be encouraged to take care of the warrant?
I would think the police should have communicated that the warrant should be dealt with prior to the protest to avoid any problems. Maybe I am missing something. |
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23rd February 2019, 12:06 PM | #31 |
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Indeed they should have. They didn't, though. The officer asked him about another individual's standing with the court, and indicated that no matter the answer, no arrest would be made. Seems to me the officer is far better situated to discover that answer, and should abide by any arrest order if it exists rather than dismiss it out of hand.
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I could even see the officer saying something like: Hey, he has a warrant, so he needs to get that taken care of if he is going to be there. If he has any interaction with a cop and they pull up his name they will take him to jail. That's just how warrants work.
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Would be nice if that's what the cop said, yeah, but it's not. The officer said they'd ignored the warrant on a previous encounter and didn't see the need to arrest him unless he committed more crimes. That right there is a police officer disregarding a warrant, which is not how they work.
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