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Old 13th August 2019, 07:50 AM   #41
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Originally Posted by Ricardo View Post
Why don't you believe in life after death?
I believe in the magic of rock 'n roll.

...bop bam boom
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Old 13th August 2019, 07:56 AM   #42
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
Just to note: the point of the Shakespeare quote is whether one should commit suicide.



Oh, I want to. But there's no evidence.
Are you sure there is no evidence? would it be evidence of science?
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Originally Posted by Ricardo View Post
Are you sure there is no evidence? would it be evidence of science?
There's no credible evidence.

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Old 13th August 2019, 07:57 AM   #44
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Originally Posted by Ricardo View Post
Are you sure there is no evidence? would it be evidence of science?
Listen since you literally haven't been coherent enough to pass a Turing Test, I'll be brief.

There is no other kind of evidence then "evidence of science."

The voices in your head are not evidence.
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Old 13th August 2019, 08:06 AM   #45
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Listen since you literally haven't been coherent enough to pass a Turing Test, I'll be brief.

There is no other kind of evidence then "evidence of science."

The voices in your head are not evidence.
are you skeptical? what evidence would be valid?
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Old 13th August 2019, 08:08 AM   #46
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There's no credible evidence.

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What would be evidence for you?
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Old 13th August 2019, 08:13 AM   #47
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I believe in the magic of rock 'n roll.

...bop bam boom
I already read a book called "a rocker in the beyond" I think it has not translated into English!
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Old 13th August 2019, 08:24 AM   #48
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Ricardo. Dude. Just an observation:

Probably every poster on this forum has considered your OP question. In their teen years, or perhaps when lit up like a Christmas tree. What many of us land on is that consciousness is a property of living critters. As far as we can tell, it stops upon death. What with decaying animals not being responsive to stimuli and what have you. The rest of the musings are kind of speculative, and you may be met with an expectation of something more than Socratic rhetoric to entertain the OP query. Just a heads up.
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Old 13th August 2019, 08:27 AM   #49
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What would be evidence for you?
Properly controlled experiments yielding unambiguous positive results. And forget all the "your scientific approach cannot measure everything" crap; the purpose of the scientific method is to distinguish between actual phenomena and the specious claims of lying charlatans, and saying "Your skepticism prevents you knowing the Truth" is what those latter individuals inevitably hide behind.

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Old 13th August 2019, 08:29 AM   #50
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Ricardo, why should anyone worry of life after death?

What are the consequences of either choice involved, as you know?
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Old 13th August 2019, 10:34 AM   #51
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We live, think, act, that is positive; we die, and that's no less right. Leaving Earth, where are we going? What will we become? Will we be better or worse? Will we be or won't we? To be or not to be, such is the alternative; it is forever or never; it is all or nothing: either we will live forever, or it will all end without return. It's well worth thinking about.
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Old 13th August 2019, 11:08 AM   #52
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What would be evidence for you?

What would be evidence for the fairies at the bottom of the garden?
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Are you sure there is no evidence?
Yes.

By all means, present the evidence you think you have. I warn you, though, the odds of you presenting something I haven't seen before are slim.
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Old 13th August 2019, 12:56 PM   #54
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What would be evidence for you?
Unlike others I don't require a scientific evidence.
If I can experience something of it I might accept it as evidence,
providing that I can believe that that experience was not a hallucination or just a dream.
I had dreams relating to dead people but I am not convinced that they're anything beyond dreams.

I'd prefer another (better) life than this one though.
Please convince me there's one.
If I'm convinced I might destroy everything here to go there now, maybe take everybody else with me (they'll forgive me).

Would you like someone else do that for you? Take you there now since you're not going yourself ?
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Old 13th August 2019, 12:58 PM   #55
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What would be evidence for you?
"Before I give you any evidence, let's discuss what would qualify to you as evidence..."

Heard it before. If you've got anything, present it.
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Old 13th August 2019, 02:51 PM   #56
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Do you still believe that there is no life after death?

We have lots of evidence that the life of a person ceases when the body dies. We can observe the deterioration of the functioning of the brain, and hence the quality of the self entity, when physical brain damage happens. This can be the result of disease or trauma.

If a person suffers a deterioration of self entity what has happened to the part that is lost? Is it hovering around waiting for the remaining part, still in the physical body to join it, when the body dies?
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Well most religions claim you should worry about it a lot, because what you are doing now will have effect on what will happen then.
And the most important thing is to choose the right religion, as following wrong one leads to bad afterlife for sure.
Some amount of aggresivity is clearly needed so the religion can survive the competition with other religions suck your bank account dry while convincing you that you made the "right choice".
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We live, think, act, that is positive; we die, and that's no less right. Leaving Earth, where are we going? What will we become? Will we be better or worse? Will we be or won't we? To be or not to be, such is the alternative; it is forever or never; it is all or nothing: either we will live forever, or it will all end without return. It's well worth thinking about.

Try going into the hospital for a fever and coming out 6 weeks later on dialysis for the rest of your life - unable to take a shower ever again, too weak to walk, too tired to drive, unable to pack lunch for your children.

There are a hell of a lot more options than being alive or dead. And many of them suck.
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Ricardo,

you haven't answered any of my questions.

I wanted to be convinced of an afterlife.

Go to hell.
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Ricardo,

you haven't answered any of my questions.

I wanted to be convinced of an afterlife.

Go to hell.
He can't ..
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Ser o no ser, esa es la pregunta,
Si es más noble en la mente sufrir
Las hondas y flechas de escandalosa fortuna,
O tomar las armas contra un mar de problemas,
¿Y al oponerse a ellos? Morir: dormir;
No más; y por un sueño para decir que terminamos
El dolor de corazón y las mil conmociones naturales.
Esa carne es heredera, es una consumación
Devotamente deseable.


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maH ghojmoHwI'pu'na', 'e', 'AY', ghaH be; Hegh maH 'ej 'e' pagh qup lugh. tera' mej, nuqDaq wIja''a'? nuq moj maH? Dunmo' pagh Qugh, 'ach? ghaH maH joq Qo' maH? 'e' mu'tlheghvam, jIvlaw' yInmey; reH pagh not; Hoch pagh pagh: vo' vImughta' yIn maH reH joq Hoch qabna'Daj 'oH Hutlh chegh. toH worth pagh umqu' ghot.


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Ricardo,

you haven't answered any of my questions.

I wanted to be convinced of an afterlife.

Go to hell.
Well, that escalated quickly.

Give him time. I'm sure he'll have some solid evidence that no one's ever brought up before.
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Well, that escalated quickly.

Give him time. I'm sure he'll have some solid evidence that no one's ever brought up before.
There is a vast literature on the subject! but it is not official science. Official science and its scientific method have their limitations, not forgetting the politicization of science. The revelation of this truth can harm many interests.
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There is a vast literature on the subject! but it is not official science. Official science and its scientific method have their limitations, not forgetting the politicization of science. The revelation of this truth can harm many interests.
I think that scores 40 points.

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There is a vast literature on the subject! but it is not official science. Official science and its scientific method have their limitations, not forgetting the politicization of science. The revelation of this truth can harm many interests.
I can't help but notice that you haven't responded to my request for evidence.

You do have some of that, don't you? I'm not asking for double-blind studies, here. Just some solid evidence that can't be easily explained away with the science we do know. And I don't mean "unknown stuff". I mean actual observations or arguments.

Your move.
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Leaving Earth, where are we going?

The ones who leave Earth are a very small minority, but they seem to have four options when choosing their destination: MEMORIAL SPACEFLIGHT EXPERIENCES
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Just to note: the point of the Shakespeare quote is whether one should commit suicide.

Since November 2018 we no longer have to suffer the Slings and Arrows, so I see no reason to do so.
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I can't help but notice that you haven't responded to my request for evidence.

You do have some of that, don't you? I'm not asking for double-blind studies, here. Just some solid evidence that can't be easily explained away with the science we do know. And I don't mean "unknown stuff". I mean actual observations or arguments.

Your move.
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Would the evidence you want come from the scientific community?
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Would the evidence you want come from the scientific community?
I've already answered this. No, I want it to come from you. What are you waiting for?

Seems to me like you know you have no evidence whatsoever. None that'll convince someone who isn't already in your cult, that is.
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Originally Posted by science.howstuffworks.com
Limitations of the Scientific Method
Clearly, the scientific method is a powerful tool, but it does have its limitations. These limitations are based on the fact that a hypothesis must be testable and falsifiable and that experiments and observations be repeatable. This places certain topics beyond the reach of the scientific method. Science cannot prove or refute the existence of God or any other supernatural entity. Sometimes, scientific principles are used to try to lend credibility to certain nonscientific ideas
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Limitations of the Scientific Method
Irrelevant. I'm not asking you for scientific proof, as I've already told you twice. Any good demonstration, argument or observation that cannot be explained with known physics or that doesn't rely on ignorance will do.

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Science cannot prove or refute the existence of God or any other supernatural entity.
Which puts us in a difficult position. If there cannot be objective evidence for supernatural entities, which I would generally agree is true, how do you intend to prove that one exists?
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I've already answered this. No, I want it to come from you. What are you waiting for?

Seems to me like you know you have no evidence whatsoever. None that'll convince someone who isn't already in your cult, that is.
I am not a researcher! Do you want evidence? Contact researchers! here is the site https://issmpi.org/about/team/
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Limitations of the Scientific Method
Clearly, the scientific method is a powerful tool, but it does have its limitations. These limitations are based on the fact that a hypothesis must be testable and falsifiable and that experiments and observations be repeatable. This places certain topics beyond the reach of the scientific method. Science cannot prove or refute the existence of God or any other supernatural entity. Sometimes, scientific principles are used to try to lend credibility to certain nonscientific ideas
This is why no one can prove I am not the God or a god.

I encourage skeptics to disbelieve in me because it's just so darn cute.
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For the goddamn last time "I'm butthurt that at some stage science stops telling me what I want to hear" is not a "limitation of the scientific method."
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I am not a researcher!
I didn't ask you for research. This is the fourth time that I tell you that I don't require scientific evidence from you.

You're stalling. You have only faith, no evidence, and you know that any attempt by you to provide evidence would reveal this. So stop pretending that there's actual research that proves your faith. Just take it as faith, and leave the rest of us who don't operate on childish belief in magic to our own.
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This is why no one can prove I am not the God or a god.

I encourage skeptics to disbelieve in me because it's just so darn cute.
https://issmpi.org/ contact these researchers ... I'm not a researcher!
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https://issmpi.org/ contact these researchers ... I'm not a researcher!
You're not a lot of things.
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Old 14th August 2019, 06:09 AM   #80
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Originally Posted by Ricardo View Post
https://issmpi.org/ contact these researchers ... I'm not a researcher!
You keep saying that. Do you or do you not have a good reason to believe in God?
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