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Old 23rd July 2019, 04:24 AM   #361
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A sad day for the UK.
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Old 23rd July 2019, 04:33 AM   #362
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I was listening to an American podcast about Boris this morning. Probably not much new here for Brits, but for non-Brits curious about the new Prime Minister:

https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aH...=1563836866652
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Old 23rd July 2019, 04:37 AM   #363
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Looks like the British version of Trump wins in the U.K.
Why is white nationalism winning elections?!
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Congratulations to Boris Johnson on becoming the new Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. He will be great!
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
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Congratulations to Boris Johnson on becoming the new Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. He will be great!
Sadly, even that doesn't seem to make it any worse.

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Old 23rd July 2019, 05:13 AM   #366
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I never thought I'd see the day when I was sorry to see Jeremy Hunt lose a vote!

For two years, I've wondered how the US could elect a man like Trump to lead them, and now we've gone and done the same thing.
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Old 23rd July 2019, 05:13 AM   #367
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Yup. But that's also one more nail in the Union's coffin so every cloud has a silver lining.

Amazing to think that while BJ is the most popular politician in the UK his approval rating in Scotland is worse than Farage's.
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Congratulations to the UK in pulling ahead in the "Pasty Old White Guy with Horrible Comb-over/Toupee" Competition. I honestly didn't think anyone would find anyone to beat our guy.

What's that? This isn't a "Pasty Old White Guy With Horrible Comb-over/Toupee" competition? It's the two most powerful Western Democracies elected Heads of State?

Oh well that's not good then...
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But less flippantly, and I hate to go back to this well again, but what does this do to the "The Brexit Vote didn't count, it was only an opinion poll (and yes I know that's literally what it was), we need to ask again to make sure" narrative.

Electing the pro-Brexit guy is pretty much a firm "We asked them again and they still said yes." And you can't wave this one off as a "mere opinion poll."
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Electing the pro-Brexit guy is pretty much a firm "We asked them again and they still said yes." And you can't wave this one off as a "mere opinion poll."
Did you miss that only members of the Conservative Party, a party known to be strongly pro-Brexit, were actually voting here?

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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
But less flippantly, and I hate to go back to this well again, but what does this do to the "The Brexit Vote didn't count, it was only an opinion poll (and yes I know that's literally what it was), we need to ask again to make sure" narrative.

Electing the pro-Brexit guy is pretty much a firm "We asked them again and they still said yes." And you can't wave this one off as a "mere opinion poll."
Yes, if and when he gets elected you might be able to say that.
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So wait in the UK if a Prime Minister steps down only people from his party get to vote on the next one?

Like functionally equivalent to if Trump were to resigned right now only registered Republicans would be able to vote on the next President?

That's... weird.
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Old 23rd July 2019, 05:54 AM   #373
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So wait in the UK if a Prime Minister steps down only people from his party get to vote on the next one?

Like functionally equivalent to if Trump were to resigned right now only registered Republicans would be able to vote on the next President?

That's... weird.
It's a party leadership election. It just so happens that the leader of the party is also PM at the moment.

We don't vote for a PM here ever.
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Old 23rd July 2019, 05:56 AM   #374
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
So wait in the UK if a Prime Minister steps down only people from his party get to vote on the next one?

Like functionally equivalent to if Trump were to resigned right now only registered Republicans would be able to vote on the next President?

That's... weird.
Correct. That's because the Prime Minister is usually the leader of the party in government (or in the unlikely event of a coalition, the largest party). It's a legislative, not executive position - sorta like Nancy Pelosi's or Mitch McConnell's.

Of course our head of state is appointed by God, not the electorate so it's pretty wacky all round....
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Old 23rd July 2019, 05:57 AM   #375
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
So wait in the UK if a Prime Minister steps down only people from his party get to vote on the next one?

Like functionally equivalent to if Trump were to resigned right now only registered Republicans would be able to vote on the next President?

That's... weird.
Yes, 120,000 votes were cast in total, under 0.2% of the UK population - damn that EU democratic deficit
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Congratulations to Boris Johnson on becoming the new Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. He will be great!

They will be able to swap hair care secrets.
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My "There's an alien parasite that looks exactly like a bad bleach blonde thinning comb-over" theory is starting to be oddly convincing.
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So wait in the UK if a Prime Minister steps down only people from his party get to vote on the next one?
More specifically, the new party leader is chosen according to the party's own rules for party leadership elections, which may or may not involve a vote by the party members; in past years some parties have simply held a vote among MP's, or only one candidate has been nominated by enough MPs to get on the ballot papers so there was no election.

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So wait in the UK if a Prime Minister steps down only people from his party get to vote on the next one?

Like functionally equivalent to if Trump were to resigned right now only registered Republicans would be able to vote on the next President?

That's... weird.
Google Parliamentarism.
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So.....how long until we have a vote of no confidence in the government?
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So wait in the UK if a Prime Minister steps down only people from his party get to vote on the next one?

Like functionally equivalent to if Trump were to resigned right now only registered Republicans would be able to vote on the next President?

That's... weird.
We vote for MPs. Anyway, if Trump resigned now, Pence would become President. I think that only Trump chose him (with advice etc).
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Interesting article from BJ in the Telegraph in 2007, following Gordon Brown succeeding Tony Blair

https://www.newstatesman.com/politic...don-brown-2007

I await Boris calling a GE with bated breath - surely he isn't a hypocrite?
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So.....how long until we have a vote of no confidence in the government?
I'm sure that Jeremy Corbyn is considering it right now.

Then again I'd say that the government would likely survive it. If it's right now, anti no deal Tories could justifiably claim that Boris has said he would work on a deal. If it's before 31 October, they could claim that switching just before a national crisis isn't a good idea.

Even if the no confidence vote was successful, I think there's a good chance that Boris could get the Tories a healthy majority. The remain vote would be split and Brexit Party supporters would be drawn to Boris like flies to **** (or maybe like ***** to more **** ).
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Interesting article from BJ in the Telegraph in 2007, following Gordon Brown succeeding Tony Blair

https://www.newstatesman.com/politic...don-brown-2007

I await Boris calling a GE with bated breath - surely he isn't a hypocrite?
Could be a good call from his perspective. A victory would establish his legitimacy and tbh a dead dog with a blue rosette is a more tempting prospect as PM to most people than an antisemitic soft-Brexiteer who appears to be at odds with most of his own party.
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I have a pet theory that that Donald Trump, Boris Johnson, and Doug Ford are all possessed by aliens that sit on top of their heads and sort of look like hair. If Ford becomes the next Canadian PM then the invasion will almost be finished. We would just need to see if Putin suddenly starts sprouting almost life like hair on top of his head.
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Yes, 120,000 votes were cast in total, under 0.2% of the UK population - damn that EU democratic deficit
It's still a lot more votes than the EU leaders get. EU leaders are appointed by a committee - even the MEPs only get a vote to rubber stamp the chosen leader - they don't get a choice between even two candidates.
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It's still a lot more votes than the EU leaders get. EU leaders are appointed by a committee - even the MEPs only get a vote to rubber stamp the chosen leader - they don't get a choice between even two candidates.
A committee formed of and by?
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Election... mumble mumble.....small chaps but immensely strong....mumble.... thin layer of lemon curd....mumble... Poisonous monkey!....mumble, pause, mumble...lorry load of interesting cheeses.....mumble
I'm afraid the Conservative Party was very very drunk!
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A committee formed of and by?
What are you rambling about? Please admit that the latest EU leaders, such as Ursula von der Leyon, received a vanishingly small number of votes in her election appointment - even when compared with the small number that voted for Boris.
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Elected by the MPs. suggested by committee formed from the constituent states of the EU in it's parliament.

Boris was chosen by the MPs of one party and voted by the party members.

Get a ******* clue!
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Elected by the MPs. suggested by committee formed from the constituent states of the EU in it's parliament.

Boris was chosen by the MPs of one party and voted by the party members.

Get a ******* clue!
You're the one without any clues. How many people voted for von der Leyon?

I suppose now we'll just hear the sound of crickets.
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She got more than 50% of the votes of the parliament. What more do you want?
Do you know what 'representative democracy' means?
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Boris got more than 50% of the votes of his party's MPs, and almost 2/3 of the votes of his party members. By a rough calculation he had about ninety-two-thousand more people voting for him than von der Leyon did.
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Here in the hall every pathology was on view. The smug, the needy, the desperate, the amoral and the deluded. And that was just Boris Johnson. "

The ever brilliant John Crace writing in The Guardian today.
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Boris got more than 50% of the votes of his party's MPs, and almost 2/3 of the votes of his party members. By a rough calculation he had about ninety-two-thousand more people voting for him than von der Leyon did.
You don't seem to understand why the number of people voting is less important than representation.

EU Leader was voted for by the parliament, the MPs and selected by a representative committee.

Boris was selected by Tory MPs and voted for by party members.
Yes, he won the vote to be leader of a political party.

How, in any kind of fair and rational representative democracy does that make him leader of the government?
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He was elected by exactly the same process that May was - except that Leadsom dropped out of the May election so the party members never got a chance to vote for her.

It's the way we do it in this country. I think Gordon Brown was appointed PM with no vote whatsoever when Blair was forced to resign?
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Exactly the election of May was even more of a disgrace. It wasn't an election at all.
Yes I know you will mention Brown and Blair, that was also a stitch up.
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Interesting article from BJ in the Telegraph in 2007, following Gordon Brown succeeding Tony Blair

https://www.newstatesman.com/politic...don-brown-2007

I await Boris calling a GE with bated breath - surely he isn't a hypocrite?

No, an opportunist. Heíll want to get the next election out of the way while Labour are still in disarray over the anti-semitism thing, and before itís too obvious what a dogís Brexit heís made of the whole thing.
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We have a really good man who's going to be the prime minister of the UK now, Boris Johnson. He's tough, he's smart... they call him Britain's Trump

http://bbc.in/32H4cdH
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I have a pet theory that that Donald Trump, Boris Johnson, and Doug Ford are all possessed by aliens that sit on top of their heads and sort of look like hair. If Ford becomes the next Canadian PM then the invasion will almost be finished. We would just need to see if Putin suddenly starts sprouting almost life like hair on top of his head.
Add Australiaís Scott Morrison to that lot. Compare and contrast to NZ PM Ardern.
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