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Old 30th June 2019, 03:14 PM   #281
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Originally Posted by MRC_Hans View Post
Yes. I wonder how Trump supporters think he is making America great:

A notorious liar.
Communicates via Twitter.
Can't spell (and does not have the common sense to let someone proof-read his messages).
... etc, etc.

Does that make America great in your eyes?

It certainly doesn't in the eyes of most of the world. If this wasn't so serious, we'd be rolling on the floor laughing.

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The can’t-spell no-proofreading thing. Why do you think other folks would think that is important? The Republicans planted the seeds of anti-intellectualism more than a generation ago.

And I suspect there are Republicans that are annoyed by it, but they say to themselves, “it annoys the liberals more than it annoys me, so I’ll just take comfort in that.”

In any case the larger point I want to make is that 40% of the country has vastly different values from those of you or me. That is a good foundation for Trumpism. And a good 40 years of reality TV has created a large segment of the population that values style over substance. A transcript of any extemporaneous Trump speech clearly indicates the lack of substance, but a video of any extemporaneous Trump speech shows that he has a style that creates standing ovations.
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Old 30th June 2019, 03:20 PM   #282
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Originally Posted by Ladewig View Post
The can’t-spell no-proofreading thing. Why do you think other folks would think that is important? The Republicans planted the seeds of anti-intellectualism more than a generation ago.

And I suspect there are Republicans that are annoyed by it, but they say to themselves, “it annoys the liberals more than it annoys me, so I’ll just take comfort in that.”

In any case the larger point I want to make is that 40% of the country has vastly different values from those of you or me. That is a good foundation for Trumpism. And a good 40 years of reality TV has created a large segment of the population that values style over substance. A transcript of any extemporaneous Trump speech clearly indicates the lack of substance, but a video of any extemporaneous Trump speech shows that he has a style that creates standing ovations.

Every time I see him at a rally pontificating, I can't help but think of Mussolini. They have very similar body language and style.
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Old 30th June 2019, 03:41 PM   #283
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Every time I see him at a rally pontificating, I can't help but think of Mussolini. They have very similar body language and style.
Yes. If you need a stock photo of pure smugness, those are two go-to guys.
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Old 30th June 2019, 03:51 PM   #284
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Originally Posted by Ladewig View Post
Yes. If you need a stock photo of pure smugness, those are two go-to guys.
Yes, the jaw-jutting smugness when being idolized by their fans is so similar.

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Old 30th June 2019, 03:51 PM   #285
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You mean bumbling around the world on the US taxpayers' tab, saying and doing anything, ANYTHING, as long as it keeps his fat orange face front and center on TV and pays him tax-free. He is such a publicity-whore that he will eat his own **** live on Fox and Friends if it gets him extra publicity.
And bring the kids along too for an experience that money shouldn’t be able to buy.
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Old 30th June 2019, 04:00 PM   #286
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Originally Posted by The Atheist View Post

>snip>

He dominates the world news, and as the world pities Mutti Merkel, Trump walks on the freaking DMZ in Korea!
I bet the parents of Adam Warmbier are just tickled pink!
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Old 30th June 2019, 04:27 PM   #287
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I bet the parents of Adam Warmbier are just tickled pink!
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Old 30th June 2019, 04:31 PM   #288
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Trump tweets

I had a great meeting with President Xi of China yesterday, far better than expected. I agreed not to increase the already existing Tariffs that we charge China while we continue to negotiate. China has agreed that, during the negotiation, they will begin purchasing large.....

....amounts of agricultural product from our great Farmers.
Trump actually believes that the Chinese Government buys food directly from US American farmers. It really doesn't.



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At the request of our High Tech companies, and President Xi, I agreed to allow Chinese company Huawei to buy product from them which will not impact our National Security. Importantly, we have opened up negotiations...
An opening up, very positive.


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....again ...
Maybe not very positive, then.



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... with China as our relationship with them continues to be a very good one.
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I really gotta hand it to Trump; he knows how to put on a show.
That's good to hear. Trade wars, however easy they are to win, can so get in the way of good relations.

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The quality of the transaction is far more important to me than speed. I am in no hurry ...
Nov 2020, that's like a lifetime away.


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but things look very good!
"Good" again. It's the very best word in Trump's vocabulary.
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Old 30th June 2019, 04:35 PM   #289
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Originally Posted by CapelDodger View Post
Trump actually believes that the Chinese Government buys food directly from US American farmers. It really doesn't.
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He made the same claim about the Mexican govt a week or two ago.
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Old 30th June 2019, 04:36 PM   #290
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Yeah, but one of them is a muslim, mind. You know, like scary Obama.

Funny thing is, now that I think of it, all the Iranian priests probably need to do is invite Trump over, suck up to him, put on a sword dance show for him to watch over his ice cream, and let him touch the shining BFF orb, and he'll be gushing on Twitter about how bigly good and friendly the Iranians are, etc.
I keep picturing that as well. Unlikely, Muslims being worse than atheists or something, but it would be worth it just to see Bolton's head explode.
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Old 30th June 2019, 04:36 PM   #291
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Oh, yes...thank you. I was working on something else at the time concerning someone named Adam and the name stuck in my head.
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I wonder how the GOP-FOX News would have handled Obama stepping into N. Korea?
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Old 30th June 2019, 04:46 PM   #293
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
Every time I see him at a rally pontificating, I can't help but think of Mussolini. They have very similar body language and style.
That was my immediate reaction when I first saw Trump in performance. Further observation has confirmed that initial impression. Both are examples of a type, as are the people who fall for their charms. And as their fates when it all goes wrong. Those who live by cultivating resentment die messily when they let people down.
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Old 30th June 2019, 04:47 PM   #294
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
He made the same claim about the Mexican govt a week or two ago.
Trump really believes that international trade occurs between nations.
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Old 30th June 2019, 05:07 PM   #295
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I agree with Trebuchet - Trump has no ideological core that can be called right-wing or left-wing. Without core beliefs, he just says whatever any given group of listeners wants to hear at any given time. I think that’s been patently obvious for a long time.
I don't disagree, but given his embrace of authoritarianism I have a hard time imagining what a real right-winger would offer "conservative" voters that Trump doesn't. That was the context of the discussion. Could a more moderate, traditional Republican have a chance as a third-party candidate? And part of that discussion was, who would be a bigger spoiler for Trump? A Kasich or a real right-winger ... and that's where I come up blank.

This is assuming that the RNC will not allow any Republican challengers to Trump. The election is still a ways out and IMO there's a chance that in 16 months Trump might begin to look less appealing the Republican establishment, especially if any GOP senators get nervous about their own chances for re-election.
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Old 30th June 2019, 05:14 PM   #296
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Trump really believes that international trade occurs between nations.
Given China's governance system I'm thinking the CCP could actually make this kind of commitment. But they are going to be shopping for other sources to get what they need. They know what they need to say to Trump to make him feel good in the moment, while themselves playing a long game that Trump is utterly incapable of.
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Old 30th June 2019, 05:28 PM   #297
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Trump has claimed that Obama "begged" constantly for a meeting with Kim but was turned down. Former Obama officials, including Ben Rhodes, who served as Obama’s deputy national security adviser, have said this is simply not true.

I'm shocked! Shocked I tell ya!

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Old 30th June 2019, 05:34 PM   #298
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Iran is a shadow of its former self, and clearly no longer a threat to the chosen regimes of Israel & Saudi in the ME.
My rule of thumb is that anytime someone says something is clearly X, there is a fair chance it is not X.
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Old 30th June 2019, 05:39 PM   #299
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Given China's governance system I'm thinking the CCP could actually make this kind of commitment.
The Mexican government couldn't, nor could anyone on the US side of the deal. The point is that Trump has no conception of what international trade -or, indeed, any kind of trade - actually is. He is a moron.
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The Mexican government couldn't, nor could anyone on the US side of the deal. The point is that Trump has no conception of what international trade -or, indeed, any kind of trade - actually is. He is a moron.
Yes. I always think it a bit strange when he is referred to as a successful businessman. He knows so little about business.
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He dominates the news with bullying and rather crude simple insults. This is leadership? In the world he has achieved nothing. He loves Kim because most of the world hates both of them.
Most of the world, outside USA.

His support among American voters is the closest to positive territory it's been so far, despite him acting like a horse's arse and being reviled across the world. He comes across as the tough guy the little coward in him always wanted to be. There's a superb pic of him today leaning over Kim Jung Un. Power, baby.

No more calling for hanging innocent men, he will nuke your ******* arse if you piss him off. He's loving it, and the American public seem to be lapping it up.

I'd be prepared to bet a chocolate fish his RCP & 538 popularity rating will hit positive territory this year.

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My rule of thumb is that anytime someone says something is clearly X, there is a fair chance it is not X.
Yep, just like 5 is clearly more than 4.

Great saying. Confucius, was it?
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Most of the world, outside USA.

His support among American voters is the closest to positive territory it's been so far, despite him acting like a horse's arse and being reviled across the world. He comes across as the tough guy the little coward in him always wanted to be. There's a superb pic of him today leaning over Kim Jung Un. Power, baby.

No more calling for hanging innocent men, he will nuke your ******* arse if you piss him off. He's loving it, and the American public seem to be lapping it up.

I'd be prepared to bet a chocolate fish his RCP & 538 popularity rating will hit positive territory this year.

Yep, just like 5 is clearly more than 4.

Great saying. Confucius, was it?
Hilite#1: Agreed.

Hilite #2: Please don't describe the minority of Americans as "the American public". I want to vomit every time his smug and smarmy face comes on the TV.

Hilite #3: I'll take that bet and raise you a gummy bear. (Haribo. No knock offs)
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Trump tweets

The highly respected Farm Journal has just announced my Approval Rating with our great Farmers at 74%, and that despite all of the Fake & Corrupt News that they are forced to endure. Farmers have been unfairly treated for many years - and that is turning around FAST!

The leaders of virtually every country that I met at the G-20 congratulated me on our great economy. Many countries are having difficulties on that score. We have the best economy anywhere in the world, with GREAT & UNLIMITED potential looking into the future!
Farm Journal highly respected? My recollection is that it's a media conglomerate.

Oh, wait... it says Trump is popular, Trump therefore respects it, everything Trump does is "highly, hugely or greatly". It stands to "reason" that it's now a "highly respected" journal.
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Oh, dear! Those poor farmers are being forced to watch Fake News! What next? Being forced to watch reruns of Murder She Wrote? Or ...horror of horrors...Green Acres?
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Trump has claimed that Obama "begged" constantly for a meeting with Kim but was turned down. Former Obama officials, including Ben Rhodes, who served as Obama’s deputy national security adviser, have said this is simply not true.

I'm shocked! Shocked I tell ya!
Even Fox's pundits called this out yesterday filling time waiting for the "Historical Moment".
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Quick question: When Trump stepped into NK territory, wasn't he, technically, crossing a border wall without a formal visa application? He just invited himself in, didn't he? And Kim kindly let him in without having to pass NK's version of ICE. So shouldn't Trump be out of a job and locked up in a cage there now?



One can only hope...
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https://twitter.com/ParhamGhobadi/st...d-video-2019-6

Ivanka Trump trying to engage in an otherwise serious conversation among world leaders at the G20 by repeating little bits of what other participants had just said and then adding a total non-sequitur.

It's actually more cringe-inducing than anything, because we've probably all had a similar (though far less consequential) experience.
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https://twitter.com/ParhamGhobadi/st...d-video-2019-6

Ivanka Trump trying to engage in an otherwise serious conversation among world leaders at the G20 by repeating little bits of what other participants had just said and then adding a total non-sequitur.

It's actually more cringe-inducing than anything, because we've probably all had a similar (though far less consequential) experience.
That is bloody weird.
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Hilite#1: Agreed.

Hilite #2: Please don't describe the minority of Americans as "the American public". I want to vomit every time his smug and smarmy face comes on the TV.
Hmm, not sure minority is the right word - it's getting very close to 50/50.

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Hilite #3: I'll take that bet and raise you a gummy bear. (Haribo. No knock offs)
Done - a chocolate fish and a packet of Haribo gummy bears.
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Yes, an innocent man likely would.
Trump acts guilty when it comes to everything he's accused of. He's been shown to be guilty several times, but has not demonstrated innocence in any case I know of.
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Originally Posted by Delphic Oracle View Post
https://twitter.com/ParhamGhobadi/st...d-video-2019-6

Ivanka Trump trying to engage in an otherwise serious conversation among world leaders at the G20 by repeating little bits of what other participants had just said and then adding a total non-sequitur.

It's actually more cringe-inducing than anything, because we've probably all had a similar (though far less consequential) experience.
Ivanka, you DO know this is an adult conversation, completely unlike dealing with your father...right?
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Ivanka, you DO know this is an adult conversation, completely unlike dealing with your father...right?
And the evidence says, no.
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Originally Posted by Delphic Oracle View Post
https://twitter.com/ParhamGhobadi/st...d-video-2019-6

Ivanka Trump trying to engage in an otherwise serious conversation among world leaders at the G20 by repeating little bits of what other participants had just said and then adding a total non-sequitur.

It's actually more cringe-inducing than anything, because we've probably all had a similar (though far less consequential) experience.
The look on Christine Legarde's face is just priceless! Ivanka really does look like the uncomfortable unpopular girl trying to be noticed by the cool kids.

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Hmm, not sure minority is the right word - it's getting very close to 50/50.



Done - a chocolate fish and a packet of Haribo gummy bears.
That's the not quite half with an IQ under 100.
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Most of the world, outside USA.

His support among American voters is the closest to positive territory it's been so far, despite him acting like a horse's arse and being reviled across the world. He comes across as the tough guy the little coward in him always wanted to be. There's a superb pic of him today leaning over Kim Jung Un. Power, baby.

No more calling for hanging innocent men, he will nuke your ******* arse if you piss him off. He's loving it, and the American public seem to be lapping it up.

I'd be prepared to bet a chocolate fish his RCP & 538 popularity rating will hit positive territory this year.



Yep, just like 5 is clearly more than 4.

Great saying. Confucius, was it?
I would not take that bet. I've been saying for a while that IMO President Trump has a good chance of being reelected unless there is a sudden recession. Most people don't give a stuff about global affairs and geopolitics, if they feel better off than they did (even if they are objectively worse off) then they will tend to go with the status quo.
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So many amazing things happened over the last three days. All, or at least most of those things, are great for the United States. Much was accomplished!

“Stocks Cap Best First Half Since 1997” @WSJ Our Country is doing great!
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Originally Posted by The Don View Post
I would not take that bet. I've been saying for a while that IMO President Trump has a good chance of being reelected unless there is a sudden recession. Most people don't give a stuff about global affairs and geopolitics, if they feel better off than they did (even if they are objectively worse off) then they will tend to go with the status quo.
I'm not sure if you're agreeing with The Atheist or not. He's saying Trump's popularity could break the 50 percent mark, and that Trump will most likely win ... while you are saying there's a good chance he'll win absent a recession.

You both say things that could be taken as warnings about complacency. You're maybe not quite as bullish on Trump as TA. Am I reading your position correctly?
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I'm not sure if you're agreeing with The Atheist or not. He's saying Trump's popularity could break the 50 percent mark, and that Trump will most likely win ... while you are saying there's a good chance he'll win absent a recession.

You both say things that could be taken as warnings about complacency. You're maybe not quite as bullish on Trump as TA. Am I reading your position correctly?
I'm probably marginally less bullish than TA but right now think that President Trump is more likely to be reelected than not.
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So many amazing things happened over the last three days. All, or at least most of those things, are great for the United States. Much was accomplished!
Let's see.

1) You left the USA. That's always a bonus.
2) At G20 you claimed great strides forward with tariffs on China by simply leaving things as they are now. You did nothing.
3) Did you do anything in South Korea besides use their toilets?
4) You went to see your l'il buddy Kim on North Korea. He's playing you like a stupid fish but that's been obvious for years now.
5) You went to North Korea by walking 20 feet. Vacation? And then you came back...pity.

Oh and your daughter distinguished herself by being that annoying little five-year-old at a cocktail party who keeps wanting to show you her dolly.

So yeah. Impressive.

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“Stocks Cap Best First Half Since 1997” @WSJ Our Country is doing great!
Only in percentage terms. And only after you dicked about with tariffs to drive the market down in the first place. So even a mild rise to a middling level is "yuge". So it's more like a correction back to normal rather than a surge. Rooster taking credit for the dawn.
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I totally misread "your lil buddy Kim" as "your buddy, Lil Kim" up there and wondered briefly what the heck is going on in the DMZ.
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