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Old 8th July 2019, 05:03 PM   #81
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Originally Posted by carlitos View Post
If this numbnuts had photos of underage girls in his New York apartment last Saturday, I don't even know what to say. Like - dude, you got off scot-free for this, maybe don't keep a bunch of evidence at your place? Be grateful, turn over a new leaf, that sort of thing?
Realistically speaking here, do you seriously think a person who'd go so far as to sexually abuse multiple young teenagers for years would somehow have the self-discipline and composure to simply stop any and all illegal behaviour even if only for their own sake? I would not bet on it.

The extent and severity of his alleged criminal behaviour is, at least in these types of cases, itself a strong indication of his potential tendency to continue committing such crimes in the future.
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Old 8th July 2019, 05:07 PM   #82
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Originally Posted by Sideroxylon View Post
Since this is state and not federal he won’t be able to pardon anyone?
No, it's Federal. The state of New York may well take an interest, but this is the feds, Southern District of New York.
Here's a letter from the prosecutor to the judge who'll be determining bail, recommending against it. It's pretty damning.

Quote:
He's a registered sex offender and STILL has probably child porn in his home:
Finally, despite having been previously convicted of a sex offense involving an underage victim, the defendant has continued to maintain a vast trove of lewd photographs of young-looking
women or girls in his Manhattan mansion. In a search of the New York Residence on the night of
his arrest, on July 6-7, 2019, pursuant to judicially-authorized warrants, law enforcement officers
discovered not only specific evidence consistent with victim recollections of the inside of the
mansion, further strengthening the evidence of the conduct charged in the Indictment, but also at
least hundreds—and perhaps thousands—of sexually suggestive photographs of fully- or partiallynude females. While these items were only seized this weekend and are still being reviewed, some
of the nude or partially-nude photographs appear to be of underage girls, including at least one girl
who, according to her counsel, was underage at the time the relevant photographs were taken.
And a safe with:
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Additionally, some of the photographs referenced herein were discovered in a locked safe, in which
law enforcement officers also found compact discs with hand-written labels including the
following: “Young [Name] + [Name],” “Misc nudes 1,” and “Girl pics nude.”
(Sorry for the formatting, hard to copy from the doc.)
During the previous investigation, he harassed witnesses, including hiring private investigators who ran the father of a victim off the road.

He's facing the rest of his life in prison, where there won't be any little girls. And has a private jet with intercontinental range. No way he won't go on the lam if he gets half a chance.

Secretary Acosta must be sweating bullets.
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Old 8th July 2019, 05:30 PM   #83
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Bill Clinton statement here:
https://bongino.com/breaking-bill-cl...ffrey-epstein/
President Bill Clinton has released a statement on his ties to pedophile Jeffrey Epstein, claiming he “knows nothing” about the billionaire’s “terrible crimes.”
“President Clinton knows nothing about the terrible crimes Jeffrey Epstein pleaded guilty to in Florida some years ago, or those with which he has been recently charged in New York,” the statement reads.

“In 2002 and 2003, President Clinton took a total of four trips on Jeffrey Epstein’s airplane: one to Europe, one to Asia, and two to Africa, which included stops in connection with the work of the Clinton Foundation. Staff, supporters of the Foundation and his Secret Service detail traveled on every leg of every trip.”
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Old 8th July 2019, 05:43 PM   #84
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Originally Posted by Arcade22 View Post
Realistically speaking here, do you seriously think a person who'd go so far as to sexually abuse multiple young teenagers for years would somehow have the self-discipline and composure to simply stop any and all illegal behaviour even if only for their own sake? I would not bet on it.


Originally Posted by Babbylonian View Post
The dude kept underage sex slaves and, allegedly, pimped them out to other rich and famous people. That kind of leaf is unlikely to be turned.


Call me naïve and optimistic?
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Old 8th July 2019, 05:59 PM   #85
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Originally Posted by carlitos View Post
Call me naïve and optimistic?
You're naive and optimistic. That kind of cat doesn't change his spots.
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Here's an item on Snopes with a really creepy picture of Trump, Ivanka, and Epstein. It's a fake. Somebody added Epstein. But that's not what was creepy anyhow. The creepy part is the REAL picture of Trump and TWELVE YEAR OLD Ivanka.
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Old 8th July 2019, 06:34 PM   #87
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Originally Posted by Sideroxylon View Post
Bill Clinton statement here:

TL;DR:

"I did not have sexual relations with those 14-year-old girls pimped out by that man Mr. Epstein."
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Originally Posted by Bogative View Post
TL;DR:

"I did not have sexual relations with those 14-year-old girls pimped out by that man Mr. Epstein."
Well, that would depend in what the meaning of "by" is!
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
Here's an item on Snopes with a really creepy picture of Trump, Ivanka, and Epstein. It's a fake. Somebody added Epstein. But that's not what was creepy anyhow. The creepy part is the REAL picture of Trump and TWELVE YEAR OLD Ivanka.
Reminds me of when she pushed his hands off her hips.
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Originally Posted by BrooklynBaby View Post
Looks like Trump/Russia the sequel is brewing. Two more years of lies, coming up. Based on nothing, of course.
That’s it. Get in behind Dear Leader!
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
Here's an item on Snopes with a really creepy picture of Trump, Ivanka, and Epstein. It's a fake. Somebody added Epstein. But that's not what was creepy anyhow. The creepy part is the REAL picture of Trump and TWELVE YEAR OLD Ivanka.

Not real creepy actually.

I'd say the odds are more in favor of Clinton being in trouble. One of his best buddies, Anthony Weiner, was in prison for child porn related charges. Birds of a feather and all that. Trump may have some buddies in for the same reason, I don't know. And how old was that intern with the cigar? We know way too much about Bills sex life come to think of it.

Whoever is guilty should be thrown to the wolves no matter who they are.
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Originally Posted by mgidm86 View Post
Not real creepy actually.

I'd say the odds are more in favor of Clinton being in trouble. One of his best buddies, Anthony Weiner, was in prison for child porn related charges. Birds of a feather and all that. Trump may have some buddies in for the same reason, I don't know. And how old was that intern with the cigar? We know way too much about Bills sex life come to think of it.

Whoever is guilty should be thrown to the wolves no matter who they are.
The Epstein related rape accusation against the president, including witness testimony, put Trump in a clearer line of fire. Though Clinton’s close association is good reason to think he was involved too. We know plenty about Trumps sex life too, including rapey “locker room talk” and strolling into pageant changing rooms full of girls.

Be interesting to see what evidence they got in that raid and what people begin to say under questioning and emboldened people coming forward.
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Old 8th July 2019, 07:51 PM   #93
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That’s it. Get in behind Dear Leader!
I'm on the side of the facts on every issue. Best way to get things right.
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Originally Posted by mgidm86 View Post
Not real creepy actually.

I'd say the odds are more in favor of Clinton being in trouble. One of his best buddies, Anthony Weiner, was in prison for child porn related charges. Birds of a feather and all that. Trump may have some buddies in for the same reason, I don't know. And how old was that intern with the cigar? We know way too much about Bills sex life come to think of it.

Whoever is guilty should be thrown to the wolves no matter who they are.
Lewinski was 23, and Bill Clinton was 50. That's 27 years between them; outside the "half age plus 7" rule, so a bit of an age difference , but IMO it does not pass the borderline into "icky".
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I'm on the side of the facts on every issue. Best way to get things right.

Bwhahahahah! Hilarous

How can you be "on the side of the facts in every issue" when you keep denying the facts?
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If this numbnuts had photos of underage girls in his New York apartment last Saturday, I don't even know what to say. Like - dude, you got off scot-free for this, maybe don't keep a bunch of evidence at your place? Be grateful, turn over a new leaf, that sort of thing?
I feel like, if they were so easily susceptible to this kind of self control, we wouldn't call them vices.
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Bwhahahahah! Hilarous

How can you be "on the side of the facts in every issue" when you keep denying the facts?
Here's something to get you up to speed on the Trump/Epstein connection:


https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...trump-scandal/
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I'm on the side of the facts on every issue. Best way to get things right.
Dear Leader does that too. You simply make statements that fly in the face of observation. “I am a stable genius.” “I am a very honest guy” Just ******** your way though life and hope the bill doesn’t arrive before you die.
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Dear Leader does that too. You simply make statements that fly in the face of observation. “I am a stable genius.” “I am a very honest guy” Just ******** your way though life and hope the bill doesn’t arrive before you die.
Link? LOL.
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Here's something to get you up to speed on the Trump/Epstein connection:


https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...trump-scandal/
Here is MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell describing Epstein a few weeks ago in a single segment:

“… a friend of Donald Trump, Jeffrey Epstein …

“… child sex trafficker and child rapist and friend of Donald Trump, Jeffrey Epstein …

“… a billionaire friend of Donald Trump’s …”

Epstein was a “friend” of Donald Trump’s the same way he is a “friend” of Pinch Sulzberger by virtue of reading The New York Times. He’s been to Trump’s club. (That is, until Trump barred him for propositioning the underage daughter of a member.)
Trump in 2002: "I've known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy. He's a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side."
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Link? LOL.
Link? So, just trolling then. Good for you.
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Not real creepy actually.

I'd say the odds are more in favor of Clinton being in trouble. One of his best buddies, Anthony Weiner, was in prison for child porn related charges. Birds of a feather and all that. Trump may have some buddies in for the same reason, I don't know. And how old was that intern with the cigar? We know way too much about Bills sex life come to think of it.

Whoever is guilty should be thrown to the wolves no matter who they are.

Weiner wasn't into sex parties on his jet, yacht, apartment and island. So how is sending your dick-pics to a couple underage girls anything whatsoever like Epstein?

And Lewinsky herself said she was a consenting adult.

You might want to think these things through a bit more before you post.
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The Epstein related rape accusation against the president, including witness testimony, put Trump in a clearer line of fire. Though Clinton’s close association is good reason to think he was involved too. We know plenty about Trumps sex life too, including rapey “locker room talk” and strolling into pageant changing rooms full of girls.

Be interesting to see what evidence they got in that raid and what people begin to say under questioning and emboldened people coming forward.
Miss Teen Universe no less.

Other than Clinton clearly associated with Epstein, do we have any evidence he liked the younger girls? Because I don't think so.
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Link? So, just trolling then. Good for you.
You should read the article I linked to above. There is a very interesting fact in it that you'll never hear about in fake news.
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Do you think Hillary knew what Bill was up to, when he took rides on Epstein's plane, to Epstein's island?
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Bwhahahahah! Hilarous

How can you be "on the side of the facts in every issue" when you keep denying the facts?
You're talking about real facts. I believe BBaby is talking about [choke] alternative facts.
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Here's something to get you up to speed on the Trump/Epstein connection:
I wasn't talking about the "Trump/Epstein connection", I was talking about your bold, unevidenced assertion with regard to being "on the side of the facts on every issue".

Your form/body of work on this forum strongly suggests anything but.
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Here's something to get you up to speed on the Trump/Epstein connection:


https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...trump-scandal/
Trump was a Democratic donor back then too. I wonder if Coulter doesn't remember that?
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Do you think Hillary knew what Bill was up to, when he took rides on Epstein's plane, to Epstein's island?
Probably not.

Does that flight record show Clinton flying to Epstein's island?
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You should read the article I linked to above. There is a very interesting fact in it that you'll never hear about in fake news.

Facts in a Breitbart article? We have a name for that....oxymoron!
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Looks like Trump/Russia the sequel is brewing. Two more years of lies, coming up. Based on nothing, of course.

You have interesting ideas of what "lies" are.

Is it a lie that Acosta is currently Secretary of Labor?

Is it a lie that Acosta gave a super sweatheart (and illegal) deal to Epstein?

Is it a lie that Acosta got his position after this sweatheart deal was put in place?

Bill Clinton didn't know Epstein until after he became President. I mean if you think Bill somehow was able to lose his own multilayered Secret Service detail to get into these lolita parties I'd like to know how you think it happened. Granted I don't really have much of an urge to defend Bill here. I mean the evidence will show what it will and if he did manage the aforementioned feat then let him go down.

Another note, my Twitter is generally very liberal and almost everyone on there feel the same way I do. If they find evidence against Bill then let him see justice.

And another thing, 4chan created a story about Trump kicking Epstein out of his resort. It isn't true as can be seen by the fact that screenshots exist showing them inventing the story to create a false narrative.
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And another thing, 4chan created a story about Trump kicking Epstein out of his resort. It isn't true as can be seen by the fact that screenshots exist showing them inventing the story to create a false narrative.

This is a March 2017 quote from the Washington Post, not 4Chan.
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But lawyers for Epstein’s victims say Trump nonetheless may have useful information. Trump banned Epstein from his Mar-a-Lago Club in Palm Beach “because Epstein sexually assaulted an underage girl at the club,” Bradley Edwards, an attorney who represents three of the young women, said in court documents.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.9a8dd9f57f9e
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Did every client of Epstein knew for a fact that his clubs and parties had underage girls?

I'm not comfortable anymore with mere guilt by association charges, which in this case seem to be applied to Clinton and Trump, to name two big ones.

We've shot ourselves in the foot more than a few times with this crap. Do you think Hillary knew, blah blah, did Bill himself even know? Yeah we can find photos of them together with smiles on their faces, but what of it?
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Old 8th July 2019, 11:33 PM   #114
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Originally Posted by Bogative View Post
This is a March 2017 quote from the Washington Post, not 4Chan....
Regardless, 4Chan is still spreading the memes.

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Upon news of Jeffrey Epstein’s arrest, right-wing troll propagandists on 4-Chan started developing counter-point messaging.

I’ve already seen this messaging repeated on Twitter.

It will be interesting to see how long it takes to reach Fox and the WH.

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It's fascinating to watch this stuff spread thought the echo chambers.
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Yeah, Trump may have useful information. For example, he might explain why Epstein wasn't immediately arrested after committing a sexual assault on his property.
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Pelosi's daughter says some of their "faves" could be implicated in the Epstein case, so you guys are cruising the wrong side of the aisle as usual.
Have you thought that some people are not as partisan as you may think and will want to see anyone who has committed crimes that he has been accused off prosecuted, because it is simply wrong?
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Realistically speaking here, do you seriously think a person who'd go so far as to sexually abuse multiple young teenagers for years would somehow have the self-discipline and composure to simply stop any and all illegal behaviour even if only for their own sake? I would not bet on it.



The extent and severity of his alleged criminal behaviour is, at least in these types of cases, itself a strong indication of his potential tendency to continue committing such crimes in the future.
One only needs to look at the reoffending rates of people that have spent long prison sentences and had their entire lives destroyed and now forced to live on the margins of society to see that even such extensive punishment doesn't stop them offending. To think that someone who in effect suffered no negative consequences for his acts would stop seems to me to be very niave.
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Epstein is turning into a giant Rorschach test for the partisan hacks. People see his arrest as a coming doom for their political enemies and a vindication for their own heroes.

Seems much more likely that Epstein's criminal buds, if they are ever exposed, will not fall on partisan divides. This isn't a case of left vs right, but rather of rich people being above the law. Neither party has a monopoly on rich people that feel privileged to do whatever they like.

I will be curious how the political parties respond to these kinds of things. The Dems already have prior experience with ousting bad actors, even when it hurts (Weinstein, Franken, etc). Republicans have tended to circle the wagons and deny whenever possible (Moore).

If Epstein's crimes are 1/10 as severe as speculated, I can't see how any tactic of denial will work. Anyone with the stink of this guy's crimes on them is done.
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And lordy, there are CD recordings and photos in that safe.
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Call me naïve and optimistic?
Well lets just put it this way: if compulsive criminals actually could control their compulsions they wouldn't be compulsive criminals. It was not like as if he was accused of just a singular one-time offence.

Besides, I've not read any actual official statement that said images he was in possession of were illegal. The closest I've seen is this:

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Prosecutors said they seized hundreds, and possibly thousands, of “sexually suggestive” pictures of nude or partially nude young women and girls during a search of Mr. Epstein’s Manhattan townhouse on Saturday, conducted at roughly the same time the financier was arrested at Teterboro Airport in New Jersey.

The cache of photos, some of which were discovered in a locked safe that also contained CDs with labels like “Girl pics nude,” demonstrate the predatory attitude that Mr. Epstein continues to have toward young women, prosecutors said.

“This is not an individual who has left his past behind,” Mr. Rossmiller said.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/08/n...n-charges.html

If the illegality of the images were obvious i would expect them to state that instead of merely making the allegation that they were proof of his "predatory attitude". Hell if possessing such images was evidence of being a sexual predator then just about everyone who has visited a online porn website would qualify as sexual predator, considering there's no shortage of images and videos of "teens".

It could very well be that said images are perfectly legal, regardless of what the prosecutor is seemingly implying.
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