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Religious Fanatics
Science has been working with Religion as a constant drag on the necessary interchange of findings. As an example I was talking with a very intelligent small town man who goes to church faithfully. He wanted to clear up a question I might have regarding the book of Genesis. He said obviously something was awry with the story of Cain and Abel; that after murdering Abel Cain could not have found a wife in distant land as his people were the first. He gave me a sincere stare and said "Cain had to marry an Ape". I had to work hard on a straight face. That was funny but at least he saw something wrong with the biblical account.
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Well, define 'ape'.
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Well, seriously ....
In general, Christians have no problem reconciling with science. The majority do not expect OT legends to be the literal truth in any way. Hard-core Bible followers of various kinds do have a problem, which most solve by rejecting any unpleasant scientific facts. Hans |
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IMHO fanaticism is not a issue of belief, no matter how stupid the b eliefs might be, but one of behavior.
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I tend to agree. You can find fanatics on any subject, but there are some belief systems that seem more fertile grounds for fanatism than others.
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Is this the global warming thread?
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Do they think we are all descended from Cain and this "ape" he married?
I'm just trying to understand what he believes. |
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/dann "Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht "The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx |
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/dann "Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht "The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx |
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No, they can't. The majority of the Danish Christians that I know, some of them members of Dansk Skeptica, wouldn't dream of trying to reconcile NT legends with science. They don't believe in the the immaculate conception, raising people from death or even changing water into wine. Remember that we have clergymen who don't even believe in God (Wikipedia):
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![]() Nowadays Grosbøll's retired, but according to this article by a more fundamentalist Danish Christian, Grosbøll is still teaching the atheist 'gospel'. In my translation:
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This is why I always stress that in Denmark even the Church of Denmark (Wikipedia) has become secularized. [/i]"As of 1 January 2019, 74.7% of the population of Denmark are members,"[/i] but only a minority believe in God and a very small minority takes anything in the Christian Bible literally. They are cultural Christians who may think that you should always ask yourself what Jesus would do - except for the making-up-fairy-tales-about-miracles part! ![]() (And our Christian skeptics are usually the first to criticize people who believe in weeping Madonna statuettes or creationism! And they love for instance Zola's adage about Lourdes and the wooden legs! ![]() https://www.facebook.com/skeptica.dk...8753734887837? ) I can recommend Phil Zuckerman's book Society without God. He spent some time in Denmark and Sweden researching the phenomenon. ETA: Ever heard of this guy, the Pentecostal American Bob Bakker? |
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/dann "Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht "The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx |
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The name is quite common in Scandinavia, Germany and Switzerland: Lise Lotte, Lise-Lotte or Liselotte.
It is not surprising that there aren't any Catholic bishops called Lise-Lotte, but I didn't know that the CoE didn't have female bishops. In addition to Lise-Lotte Rebel, Denmark has one Tine and two Mariannes; and Greenland has a Sofie: https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biskop |
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/dann "Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht "The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx |
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In Denmark (Greenland, Faroe Islands), it's five of a total of only 12. The first one was appointed in 1995.
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/dann "Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht "The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx |
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