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Old 16th September 2019, 01:16 PM   #41
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Originally Posted by Wudang View Post
Check Amazon. USB sticks and other media sold as Linux.

https://smile.amazon.co.uk/s?k=linux...m_browse-bin_1

Yeah, but they're selling USB sticks and other media.
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Old 17th September 2019, 12:36 AM   #42
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Originally Posted by Childlike Empress View Post
Yeah, but they're selling USB sticks and other media.
And charging extra for Linux. The simple fact is you can buy Linux if someone will sell it to you. If I go on the RHEL web page there's a big button "Buy it".
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Old 17th September 2019, 05:07 AM   #43
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Originally Posted by Childlike Empress View Post
You can't buy Linux!
Of course you can.
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Old 17th September 2019, 05:11 AM   #44
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Originally Posted by Childlike Empress View Post
No you can't. You can buy some perks like service contracts or special need distributions etc, but you can't buy Linux itself.
If you are going to be that pedantic, you can't buy macOS - it comes free with a Mac. You can't buy Windows - only a licence to use it. In fact, that applies to pretty much any software.
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Old 17th September 2019, 09:39 AM   #45
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Originally Posted by catsmate View Post
Why would you want to ruin a PC by installing Apple's crapware on it.

To piss off the Linux, Windoze and Apple fanbois all at once!!


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Really? I've been using notebooks for 27 years and have had no more problems that with desktops.

They're problematic to install the best OS known to man, OSX!!!

And they suck. See my comment upthread.


@Shemp, look what YOUR thread has turned into!
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Old 17th September 2019, 09:54 AM   #46
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Originally Posted by catsmate View Post
Why would you want to ruin a PC by installing Apple's crapware on it?
Yeah, but your scientists techies were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should.
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Old 17th September 2019, 10:27 AM   #47
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Originally Posted by Elagabalus View Post
To piss off the Linux, Windoze and Apple fanbois all at once!!





They're problematic to install the best OS known to man, OSX!!!

And they suck. See my comment upthread.


@Shemp, look what YOUR thread has turned into!
Way back in the days when Usenet was a thing, arguments about best OS, best text editor (EMACS or VI), etc. were called religious wars.
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Old 17th September 2019, 10:32 AM   #48
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Originally Posted by CORed View Post
Way back in the days when Usenet was a thing, arguments about best OS, best text editor (EMACS or VI), etc. were called religious wars.

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Old 17th September 2019, 10:48 AM   #49
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Isn't that "MacOS" thing just another crappy window manager for Linux? I think I'll first try ratpoison... sounds interesting:

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Old 17th September 2019, 11:30 PM   #50
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Originally Posted by Childlike Empress View Post
Isn't that "MacOS" thing just another crappy window manager for Linux?
I’m pretty sure MacOS is nothing to do with Linux, nor is it just a window manager. It’s a UNIX system, originally BSD based.
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Old 18th September 2019, 09:46 AM   #51
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Originally Posted by zooterkin View Post
Iím pretty sure MacOS is nothing to do with Linux, nor is it just a window manager. Itís a UNIX system, originally BSD based.
That matches my recollection, too. It could be said that MacOS is a GUI for UNIX. "Window manager" is pretty much an X Window concept, and most Linux GUI's are still based on X. I think a pretty good case could be made that the MacOS GUI is better than X.

Back in the dark ages, I used a DG Unix server using Motiff as the window manager. I actually liked it. It was pretty basic, with just a menu to launch programs that popped up with a right or middle (I forget which) mouse click. The menu was configured by editing a text file in your home directory, and it was simple to add programs to it, as long as you knew the directory path to the program. A lot of the more recent Linux "Desktop environments" I've used have way too many bells and whistles, and make configuring launch menus or desktop icons way more difficult than it should be.
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Old 18th September 2019, 12:55 PM   #52
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Folks, this is the S Mode thread. We were at trolling each other.
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Old 18th September 2019, 04:08 PM   #53
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Biggest annoyance about S Mode was having to register an email address to switch it off.
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Old 18th September 2019, 04:18 PM   #54
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Biggest annoyance about S Mode was having to register an email address to switch it off.
Microsoft owns you now!
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Iím pretty sure MacOS is nothing to do with Linux, nor is it just a window manager. Itís a UNIX system, originally BSD based.
How to get rich. Take a free OS and charge people for it.
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OK, so I had to download an app to the laptop for work purposes, so I've gone out of S mode. Now, I've got a thirty-day trial of McAfee antivirus, with the "opportunity" to purchase the first year for $39.99. Of course, I'm not going to jump at this.

I had Norton on a previous laptop, and while I never had any virus issues, it slowed performance a lot. After I got rid of it, Windows Defender took over, and I never had any issues. Should I just rely on Defender now?

So, what's your opinion? What are you running? What do you recommend?*

* Anyone who responds "Buy a Mac!" or "Switch to Linux!" will be ignored.
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Old 8th December 2019, 09:44 PM   #57
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Should I just rely on Defender now?
Yes, only Windows Defender.

Uninstall McAfee. Also, in addition to uninstalling it run this removal tool.

http://mcafee-removal-tool.com
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Old 9th December 2019, 02:08 AM   #58
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I just have to post this tutorial video every time someone writes "uninstall McAfee". And yes, that really is the man who gave the name to the menace:

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Old 9th December 2019, 03:04 AM   #59
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Brilliant!
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