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Old 15th November 2019, 07:55 AM   #121
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What is the deal with modern Turkish insistence on believing themselves special? Most other nationalities have outgrown that, or at least base it on something other than mere ancestry. Inferiority complex?
The bold bit, have they really? There are some obvious large nations that clearly haven't. Russia, China, Japan, the US.
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The bold bit, have they really? There are some obvious large nations that clearly haven't. Russia, China, Japan, the US.
But the US blind nationalism isn't based on ancestry: American exceptionalism is based on theory of government and philosophies of individual liberty, not on who our ancestors were.
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Old 15th November 2019, 09:45 AM   #123
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What is the deal with modern Turkish insistence on believing themselves special? Most other nationalities have outgrown that, or at least base it on something other than mere ancestry. Inferiority complex?


This sad little lizard told me that he was a brontosaurus on his
mother's side. I did not laugh; people who boast of ancestry often have
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Old 15th November 2019, 09:47 AM   #124
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But the US blind nationalism isn't based on ancestry: American exceptionalism is based on theory of government and philosophies of individual liberty, not on who our ancestors were.
Fair, though some folks would disagree. Still, there are lots of nations where nationalism is based on ancestry. I just question the notion that "most" nations have gotten over it. I don't know how you could measure it though. Are there polls out there asking, "Do you think folks of insert your ancestry/nationality here ancestry are special?"
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Seljuk Turks ....

But other Turkish tribes came to Europe and Anatolia before.

All the white western peoples are Turks.
So the Greeks are Turks?
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What is the deal with modern Turkish insistence on believing themselves special? Most other nationalities have outgrown that, or at least base it on something other than mere ancestry. Inferiority complex?
I suspect it's all a distraction to avoid discussion of the Armenian genocide.
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Old 15th November 2019, 10:32 AM   #127
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Originally Posted by halleyscomet View Post
I suspect it's all a distraction to avoid discussion of the Armenian genocide.
Which is so childish. Why bother denying genocides? I'm American. My ancestors genocided the hell out of this continent, and tried it a few times elsewhere. I don't approve of it but the perpetrators are long dead. Even if they weren't dead they probably wouldn't care what I thought about it anyway. So why would I care to cover up their misdeeds? I got nothing at stake.
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Old 15th November 2019, 11:17 AM   #128
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So the Greeks are Turks?
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Old 15th November 2019, 11:17 AM   #129
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So the Greeks are Turks?
I just saw a little of "My Big Fat Greek Wedding" this weekend. The father in that movie sounds very much like the OP, but Greek instead of Turkish. "There are two kinds of people. Greeks, and everyone else who wish they was Greek."
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Are you thinking of St George?
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Old 15th November 2019, 11:42 AM   #131
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So the Greeks are Turks?
Yes, Turkic tribe

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From this we can conclude that almost nobody in either Greece or Turkey finds your arguments particularly compelling.
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The Turks<gibber snip>
Nope. Complete rubbish.
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About these Turks....does their cat's breath smell like cat food?
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I suspect that all Steppes people were Turks, therefore Europeans, Aryans, Mongols, and of course Turks are Turks.
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From the linked site:

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Have you ever wanted to know what mankind's civilizations looked like before the Great Flood? At last you can. They're being uncovered right now in Turkey and other parts of Central Asia.

We humans have been wrongly conditioned to regard such countries as Sumeria, Greece, Egypt, and China as the parents of all human civilizations. But Archeologists in Turkey and Central Asia are now finding extensive ruins of ancient civilizations predating the Great Flood by ten thousand years and even more! We are even finding out, through digs in Iran and other places, that there was not one "Noah's Ark", but perhaps many more. Other "Noah's Arks" are waiting to be discovered.
That's right folks. This post-digestion bovine feed stats off assuming a young Earth Creationist model and assumes a literal Noah's Ark. It further asserts "evidence" of a global flood. It then gets DUMBER from there.

The page reads like it was written by the product of a multi-generational inbreeding program featuring Flat Earthers, racists, and Young Earth Creationists.

Update: Emre_1974tr has GOT to be trolling us with that link. I checked out some of the other headlines on viewzone.com. It reads like a version of the Weekly World News that heavily plagiarizes the David Icke forums for source material.
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Come to think of it, I think I can name more civilizations that have held territory in what is now Turkey than civilizations who haven't. Everybody from the Egyptians to the Mongols!
Let's not forget Pontus, which was a major player for a number of years, and a thorn in Rome's side.
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What is the deal with modern Turkish insistence on believing themselves special? Most other nationalities have outgrown that, or at least base it on something other than mere ancestry. Inferiority complex?
I think they picked it up from their Russian neighbors...
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Update: Emre_1974tr has GOT to be trolling us with that link. I checked out some of the other headlines on viewzone.com. It reads like a version of the Weekly World News that heavily plagiarizes the David Icke forums for source material.
I don't think so; he's just seeking out any site that validates his crazy hypothesis. e.g., THE MAYANS WERE TAMILS.

The sumerian turks website linked earlier has "paleolinguistics," which appears about as sane as numerology in terms of the scientific method.
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I don't think so; he's just seeking out any site that validates his crazy hypothesis. e.g., THE MAYANS WERE TAMILS.

The sumerian turks website linked earlier has "paleolinguistics," which appears about as sane as numerology in terms of the scientific method.
This, I think he probably just googled, "Greeks are Turks" or something similar and that's what came up.
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This, I think he probably just googled, "Greeks are Turks" or something similar and that's what came up.
The early Greeks were in Anatolia. But they were not Turks. The Turks stated with tribal groups up in or near the caucuses. But the people of Turkmenistan do not consider themselves to be Turks and the Turks do not see themselves as the same as the people still living in the caucuses.

The only way the concept of all white people being Turks works is if Anatolia was always Turkey (it wasn't) and those people who did not speak Indo European languages are not real. This would make the Basque, Finns, Hungarians, and even Germans fake people. Well, the Germans are only half fake since there are some Indo European elements in German. Also the Etruscans would be mythical even though we have written examples of their language and the Romans wrote about them.
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I don't really follow you post, the Turkic languages aren't indo-european but the Germanic Languages are.

This notion of all white folks being turks just doesn't work regardless of the existence of the nonindo-euorpean languages of Europe.
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Next week my very white family will be thinking much about turkey.
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I don't really follow you post, the Turkic languages aren't indo-european but the Germanic Languages are.

This notion of all white folks being turks just doesn't work regardless of the existence of the nonindo-euorpean languages of Europe.
Greek is indo european and the Greeks were in Anatolia before the Turks moved in.

German is not entirely indo european. There was another language there before that has not been traced and the only evidence for it is that many German words cannot be traced back to indo european. My source for the is the History of English podcast.

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Greek is indo european and the Greeks were in Anatolia before the Turks moved in.

German is not entirely indo european. There was another language there before that has not been traced and the only evidence for it is that many German words cannot be traced back to indo european. My source for the is the History of English podcast.

https://historyofenglishpodcast.com/
I am aware and have listened to that podcast. I am unaware of any episode that claims Germanic languages are not indo-european. Its a bit like saying English isn't a germanic language because it has some french and latin loan words. Fairly pedantic point which I will attempt to drop. I've just never heard anyone claim German was not an indo European language.

Anyrate, It is true that the greeks were in Anatolia prior to the Turks. There were however ever others there prior to the greeks, some of whom spoke extinct indo-european languages, some spoke extinct languages of unknown affiliation.
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I am aware and have listened to that podcast. I am unaware of any episode that claims Germanic languages are not indo-european. Its a bit like saying English isn't a germanic language because it has some french and latin loan words. Fairly pedantic point which I will attempt to drop. I've just never heard anyone claim German was not an indo European language.

Anyrate, It is true that the greeks were in Anatolia prior to the Turks. There were however ever others there prior to the greeks, some of whom spoke extinct indo-european languages, some spoke extinct languages of unknown affiliation.
The podcast spends a fair amount of time on it in one of the early episodes around the time he breaks down the separation between old Norse, German, and Goth. There was some other language contributing to German that has been lost. Some words in German trace back to indo european and some go nowhere with no source before the split into those three groups. That is how they know there was another language there.

Here is a wiki link on the subject. I have not had a chance to read this yet but it covers the subject. Posting it because this is not a new idea.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German...ate_hypothesis
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Hahahahaha.

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Heartening to know that it is now the business of all of us why Constantinople got the works.
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Turks are the mortal enemies of Dick Van Dyke. They created a whole empire of ottomans, and he tripped over every one of them, right in front of Laura and Little Richie and, for some reason, Sally and Buddy. How did they get from work to Rob's house ahead of Rob? Why were they there? Rose Marie was of Italian descent, do you think perhaps her ancestors were those Venetians who sacked Constantinople during one of those botched Crusades? And Mary Tyler Moore went on to her own show where there was also Sue Ann, played by Betty White, whose name is literally "white"! Betty White was even more famous for being on The Golden Girls, with another actress playing the role of "Blanche"...which also means white! And two other characters were of Italian descent!! And Betty's own character was named Rose, and thanks to the most recent winner of GBBO we learned that a lot of roses are imported from Bulgaria, which was for some time under Turkish rule!!!

We're through the looking glass here, people. This Turkish conspiracy stretched back fifty years and encompasses much of classic television!!!!
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Turks are the mortal enemies of Dick Van Dyke. They created a whole empire of ottomans, and he tripped over every one of them, right in front of Laura and Little Richie and, for some reason, Sally and Buddy. How did they get from work to Rob's house ahead of Rob? Why were they there? Rose Marie was of Italian descent, do you think perhaps her ancestors were those Venetians who sacked Constantinople during one of those botched Crusades? And Mary Tyler Moore went on to her own show where there was also Sue Ann, played by Betty White, whose name is literally "white"! Betty White was even more famous for being on The Golden Girls, with another actress playing the role of "Blanche"...which also means white! And two other characters were of Italian descent!! And Betty's own character was named Rose, and thanks to the most recent winner of GBBO we learned that a lot of roses are imported from Bulgaria, which was for some time under Turkish rule!!!

We're through the looking glass here, people. This Turkish conspiracy stretched back fifty years and encompasses much of classic television!!!!
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Regardless of any other claims here, we can trace the word "Genocide" to Turkish actions, so they have that going for them.

Armenian Genocide denial

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Armenian Genocide denial is the act of denying the planned systematic genocide of 1.5 million Armenians during World War I, conducted by the Ottoman government. Turkey similarly denies the genocides perpetrated against indigenous Assyrians and Greeks during the same period. As a form of denialism, it can be compared to similar negationist historical revisionisms such as Holocaust denial and Nanking Massacre denial.

The Armenian Genocide is almost unanimously acknowledged as a historical fact by historians and genocide scholars alike.[1] It is also widely considered to have been the first modern genocide,[2][3] with the word genocide itself having been invented by Raphael Lemkin to describe the sheer scale and success of the plan organized to systematically eliminate the Armenians.[1][4] Revisionists typically argue the academic consensus of it being a genocide as anti-Turkish propaganda or as a conspiracy spread by the Armenians, instead claiming that it either did not occur or that it was somehow justified at the time
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Regardless of any other claims here, we can trace the word "Genocide" to Turkish actions, so they have that going for them.

Armenian Genocide denial
Turks: There was no genocide! The Armenians made it up!
Everybody Else: Why would the Armenians make it up?
Turks: Out of revenge for the genocide!
Everybody Else: Aha! You just gave yourself away!
Turks: Aw, shucks. Meddling kids!
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I think the first mistake the OP makes is in thinking that anybody who ever lived or passed through Anatolia is a Turk when, in reality, Turks are, in historical terms, a fairly recent arrival...
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Regardless of any other claims here, we can trace the word "Genocide" to Turkish actions, so they have that going for them.

Armenian Genocide denial

Cool, hadn't known that!

So they invented genocide. And assassins, that cult thing that gave us that word, that was them too, wasn't it, or was that the Persians?


eta: Okay, that was just lazy. No reason not to do a quick google/wiki check. It was Persia and Syria -- I suppose those two were one nation then, or something -- the assassin thing I mean.

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