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Old 31st August 2019, 03:57 PM   #4641
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What are your thoughts on this article, Gaetan? It talks about how religion enables chid abuse. What do you think it is with religion that fosters so much abuse of children? Is it a lack of concern such as you show?

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/a...the-church-666
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Old 31st August 2019, 04:01 PM   #4642
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
What 50$ was so important to spend 36 years in prison. Does money drive people creasy?


By Antonia Noori Farzan

August 29
At 22, Alvin Kennard was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole.

His crime? Stealing $50.75 from a bakery in 1983.

Now 58, Kennard is coming home after spending more than 35 years — nearly his entire adult life — behind bars. On Wednesday, when an Alabama judge ordered that he be released from prison, more than a dozen friends and family members who had gathered in the courtroom leaped to their feet and cheered.

“I fell apart,” Kennard’s niece, Patricia Jones, told WBRC. “I just threw my hands up and said, ‘God, I thank you, I thank you.’ ”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...-years-alabama

Technically he was sentenced under Alabama's habitual offender law. So he wasn't sentenced to life for just stealing $50, but for the three prior felony convictions as well. A change in the law now leaves room for parole but it was not retroactive.

https://reason.com/2019/08/30/alabam...s-he-stole-50/
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Old 31st August 2019, 07:12 PM   #4643
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Technically he was sentenced under Alabama's habitual offender law. So he wasn't sentenced to life for just stealing $50, but for the three prior felony convictions as well. A change in the law now leaves room for parole but it was not retroactive.

https://reason.com/2019/08/30/alabam...s-he-stole-50/
Little stealer, big sentence, big stealer, little sentence, no justice.
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Old 31st August 2019, 07:20 PM   #4644
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
Little stealer, big sentence, big stealer, little sentence, no justice.
It looks like he found religion in prison. That's fitting. What a great world it will be when the criminal enterprise religion is abolished.

Why do you religiously and dishonestly ignore how all those religious child abuse cases?
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Old 31st August 2019, 08:12 PM   #4645
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There is no justice with a system of money. If you are rich you get away easily from the justice system.
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Old 1st September 2019, 05:30 AM   #4646
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
Little stealer, big sentence, big stealer, little sentence, no justice.

No, four time felon, big sentence.

If you can't make your point without misrepresentation then you aren't seeking justice.
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Old 1st September 2019, 05:50 AM   #4647
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There is no justice with a system of money. If you are rich you get away easily from the justice system.
How is there justice with a system of religion?
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Old 1st September 2019, 05:56 AM   #4648
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
There is no justice with a system of money. If you are rich you get away easily from the justice system.

Tell that to Bernard Madoff, the Menendez brothers, Robert Blake, Leona Helmsle, Martha Stewart and others.


https://www.cheatsheet.com/money-car...als-time.html/


While the rich may have access to resources that the poor don't. Thereby increasing the likelihood that they will get away with some crime. Unfortunately, your ideological approach actually decreases the justice of the system. By your professed thinking the poor would have access to those same resources, stratagem and methods simply decreasing the likelihood that anyone guilty would be convicted.

However, your ideological fantasies aren't the real world and the results in the real world would most likely be a reduction in the quality of the representation for both the people and the defendants. Thus an overall increase in injustice, more guilty people going free and more innocent people convicted. That is if anyone even bothered to continue to participate in such a system at all. As opposed to just meting out their perception of justice on their own.
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Old 1st September 2019, 07:49 AM   #4649
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
There is no justice with a system of money. If you are rich you get away easily from the justice system.
The religious system has but one penalty, death, for any crime. How is that just?

Disobedient kid - death.
Working on the wrong day of the week - death.
Mixed fabrics - death.
Picking up sticks on the sabbath - death.
Rape - death to both parties.

There is no justice in your system either.
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Old 1st September 2019, 08:05 AM   #4650
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Originally Posted by Leftus View Post
The religious system has but one penalty, death, for any crime. How is that just?

Disobedient kid - death.
Working on the wrong day of the week - death.
Mixed fabrics - death.
Picking up sticks on the sabbath - death.
Rape - death to both parties.

There is no justice in your system either.
Wait, I thought justice in the religious system was eternal damnation?

Gaetan, how do you oppose "big sentence" for repeat offenders yet apparently support eternal damnation for perhaps singular and lesser offenses?
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Old 1st September 2019, 07:15 PM   #4651
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Wait, I thought justice in the religious system was eternal damnation?
Well, I think it goes to show that they, too, knew that it wasn't true so they had to administer "justice" here on earth. If you can't exercise power here on earth, what is the point.
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Old 2nd September 2019, 01:11 AM   #4652
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
There is no justice with a system of money. If you are rich you get away easily from the justice system.
Gaetan, in the "old" days when there was no money, I could just kill you and take what I wanted from you if I was more powerful than you.

What justice will there be in a no money system?

Why do you still work for money?
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Old 2nd September 2019, 07:08 AM   #4653
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Well, I think it goes to show that they, too, knew that it wasn't true so they had to administer "justice" here on earth. If you can't exercise power here on earth, what is the point.
Either that or they just didn't want to waste any time sending them to hell or trying to force them to repent. Perhaps just to purgatory, or was it limbo, until judgement day? I could never keep that stuff straight.
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Old 2nd September 2019, 12:53 PM   #4654
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What 50$ was so important to spend 36 years in prison. Does money drive people creasy?


By Antonia Noori Farzan

August 29
At 22, Alvin Kennard was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole.

His crime? Stealing $50.75 from a bakery in 1983.

Now 58, Kennard is coming home after spending more than 35 years — nearly his entire adult life — behind bars. On Wednesday, when an Alabama judge ordered that he be released from prison, more than a dozen friends and family members who had gathered in the courtroom leaped to their feet and cheered.

“I fell apart,” Kennard’s niece, Patricia Jones, told WBRC. “I just threw my hands up and said, ‘God, I thank you, I thank you.’ ”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...-years-alabama
Note to poster - going into court just about anywhere with two prior theft convictions will usually result in serious time.

This was one of those instances.
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Old 2nd September 2019, 02:50 PM   #4655
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Note to poster - going into court just about anywhere with two prior theft convictions will usually result in serious time.

This was one of those instances.
That black poor man was a victime of the money system and the judge who condemn him will spend the rest of his life in a prison of hell.
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Old 2nd September 2019, 02:54 PM   #4656
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That black poor man was a victime of the money system and the judge who condemn him will spend the rest of his life in a prison of hell.
He was condemned by a religious set of rules that demand religious justice such as your religious novel advocates. We need to abolish religion because it turns its sycophants' brains to pudding.

What do you think about abolishing stupid religion and all the laws that are based on stupidity of religion? We can use the wonderful invention of money to get rid of such evil as religion.
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That black poor man was a victime of the money system and the judge who condemn him will spend the rest of his life in a prison of hell.
How will it be any different in a no money system? Many crimes are not motivated by money such as child or spouse abuse.
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How will it be any different in a no money system? Many crimes are not motivated by money such as child or spouse abuse.
Less opportunities for crimes, less crimes.
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Old 3rd September 2019, 05:12 AM   #4659
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Less opportunities for crimes, less crimes.
And yet, there would be more opportunity for crime with your religious idea, as you know. Unless you mean there would be less crime because there would be about 10,000 times fewer people after so many die from barbarity.

Why do so many religious abuse children? Did you read the article I linked to about how religion and child abuse go together?

You've still lost, Gaetan.
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That black poor man was a victime of the money system and the judge who condemn him will spend the rest of his life in a prison of hell.
The judge did not condemn him the jury did and the state's Habitual Felony Offender Act mandated the harsh sentencing.

From the article I linked

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The judge had no choice in the sentencing.
So you would condemn a judge to hell for the jury's conviction of the man and the state's mandated sentencing. Again, you don't seek justice, you just wish to misrepresent things you evidently have never investigated, simply to suit your own preconceived notions.
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
Less opportunities for crimes, less crimes.
Not an answer to the question. How does removing money, but not value, reduce crimes?

Just because something does not have a dollar value, doesn't mean it doesn't have a value, or an owner from whom it can be taken. If someone does donuts on your lawn, and tears it up, he has taken nothing from you, except the time it's going to take to repair your lawn. But, again, you don't respect that time and labor has value.
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That black poor man was a victime of the money system and the judge who condemn him will spend the rest of his life in a prison of hell.
No. He was the victim of the mindset of entitlement. He felt, as you do, he was entitled to the work of someone else.
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That black poor man was a victime of the money system and the judge who condemn him will spend the rest of his life in a prison of hell.
Good thing your imaginary world has no bearing on reality, positive or negative.
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Old 4th September 2019, 03:18 AM   #4664
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The judge did not condemn him the jury did and the state's Habitual Felony Offender Act mandated the harsh sentencing.

From the article I linked



So you would condemn a judge to hell for the jury's conviction of the man and the state's mandated sentencing. Again, you don't seek justice, you just wish to misrepresent things you evidently have never investigated, simply to suit your own preconceived notions.
These white supremacists will go in a prison of hell as well, they should listen Jesus Christ and forgive but they use the eye for en eye law and they'll be judged according to the same rule they used because there can't be 2 justices, one easy for you and one hard for others, if you use the hard rule for your neighbour you'll be judge according to the same rule.

ESV Luke.37 “Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven; 38 give, and it will be given to you. Good measure, pressed down, shaken together, running over, will be put into your lap. For with the measure you use it will be measured back to you.”

Mt 7 “Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you.

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Tthey should listen Jesus Christ
Who said, "the laborer deserves his wages".

Do you deserve your wages, Gaetan? You still use money, right?
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Gaetan, do you think that people who intend to abuse children seek out religion because they know they will have a safe harbor to continue their crimes?

Or does religion indoctrinate otherwise innocent people into becoming pedophiles while it also indoctrinates them to have pudding brains?

I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts on how the child abuse is perpetuated by religion.
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Who said, "the laborer deserves his wages".

Do you deserve your wages, Gaetan? You still use money, right?
Jesus Christ doesn't take money as salary, your wage is what they provide, free stuff. You have to do the same. You work without charge for your neighbour and you pick up what your neighbour provides free of charge by his work.

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And remain in the same house, eating and drinking what they provide, for the laborer deserves his wages. Do not go from house to house.

King James Bible
And in the same house remain, eating and drinking such things as they give: for the labourer is worthy of his hire. Go not from house to house.

American Standard Version
And in that same house remain, eating and drinking such things as they give: for the laborer is worthy of his hire. Go not from house to house.

Douay-Rheims Bible
And in the same house, remain, eating and drinking such things as they have: for the labourer is worthy of his hire. Remove not from house to house.

English Revised Version
And in that same house remain, eating and drinking such things as they give: for the labourer is worthy of his hire. Go not from house to house.

Webster's Bible Translation
And in the same house remain, eating and drinking such things as they give: for the laborer is worthy of his hire. Go not from house to house.

Weymouth New Testament
And in that same house stay, eating and drinking at their table; for the labourer deserves his wages. Do not move from one house to another.

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Jesus Christ doesn't take money as salary, it is what they provide, free stuff.

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And remain in the same house, eating and drinking what they provide, for the laborer deserves his wages. Do not go from house to house.

King James Bible
And in the same house remain, eating and drinking such things as they give: for the labourer is worthy of his hire. Go not from house to house.

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And in that same house remain, eating and drinking such things as they give: for the laborer is worthy of his hire. Go not from house to house.

Douay-Rheims Bible
And in the same house, remain, eating and drinking such things as they have: for the labourer is worthy of his hire. Remove not from house to house.

English Revised Version
And in that same house remain, eating and drinking such things as they give: for the labourer is worthy of his hire. Go not from house to house.

Webster's Bible Translation
And in the same house remain, eating and drinking such things as they give: for the laborer is worthy of his hire. Go not from house to house.

Weymouth New Testament
And in that same house stay, eating and drinking at their table; for the labourer deserves his wages. Do not move from one house to another.
So he was paid then, meaning it wasn't "free stuff"? Do you deserve your wages? Do you consider your wages to be "free stuff"?
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they should listen Jesus Christ and forgive but they use the eye for en eye law and they'll be judged according to the same rule they used because there can't be 2 justices, one easy for you and one hard for others, if you use the hard rule for your neighbour you'll be judge according to the same rule.
Gaetan, how will you be judged since you condemn us on this forum while you are still using money?

You complain about the speck in my eye while you have a plank in your eye.
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Gaetan, how will you be judged since you condemn us on this forum while you are still using money?

You complain about the speck in my eye while you have a plank in your eye.
Don't worry i won't put you in prison because you love money, i don't condemn you, you condemn yourself.
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Don't worry i won't put you in prison because you love money, i don't condemn you, you condemn yourself.
How do you feel your innate dishonesty reflects on your weird religion? His question was "How will you be judged?"

Do you think you have no chance of gaining traction for your weird religious ideas because of your hypocrisy and dishonesty?
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So he was paid then, meaning it wasn't "free stuff"? Do you deserve your wages? Do you consider your wages to be "free stuff"?
While we're on the subject of you dishonestly avoiding answering questions, here are a few you religiously missed answering.
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Don't worry i won't put you in prison because you love money, i don't condemn you, you condemn yourself.
Who said i love money? I was simply pointing out that you must love money since you refuse to give up your money.

You have a plank in your eye as you point out a speck in mine.
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Who said i love money? I was simply pointing out that you must love money since you refuse to give up your money.

You have a plank in your eye as you point out a speck in mine.
You say you don't love money, it doesn't appear to be. I wish to get rid of money, you not.

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You say you don't love money, it doesn't appear to be.
No, you're lying about that. We've all been saying that money is just an instrument to facilitate trade. YOU are the one who is obsessed with it.

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No, you wish to use money to deflect criticism away from religion, which is the worst evil in the world.

Why won't you answer questions about how evil religion is and how evil those religious are who abuse children? How much money do the religious get for abusing children?

Once we abolish evil religion, beginning with yours, then the world will be a much better place. Please start doing your part to abolish your evil religion.
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You say you don't love money, it doesn't appear to be. I wish to get rid of money, you not.
You say you don't love money but you refuse to give yours to the poor and follow Jesus. I guess you have condemned yourself.

I still use money because society can't function without money, just like in the days of Jesus. I guess money is okay as long as you follow God's commands?
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I guess money is okay as long as you follow God's commands?
God command is to not use money: Carry no money bag means don't use money. Give to Cesar what belongs to Cesar and to God what belongs to God
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God command is to not use money:
Is it your religion that forces you to make things up?

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Nobody ever told me to not carry a money bag.

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Give to Cesar what belongs to Cesar and to God what belongs to God
So the command IS to use money. You've just been lying about it.
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Old 8th September 2019, 07:57 AM   #4679
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
Jesus Christ doesn't take money as salary, your wage is what they provide, free stuff. You have to do the same. You work without charge for your neighbour and you pick up what your neighbour provides free of charge by his work.

English Standard Version
And remain in the same house, eating and drinking what they provide, for the laborer deserves his wages. Do not go from house to house.

King James Bible
And in the same house remain, eating and drinking such things as they give: for the labourer is worthy of his hire. Go not from house to house.

American Standard Version
And in that same house remain, eating and drinking such things as they give: for the laborer is worthy of his hire. Go not from house to house.

Douay-Rheims Bible
And in the same house, remain, eating and drinking such things as they have: for the labourer is worthy of his hire. Remove not from house to house.

English Revised Version
And in that same house remain, eating and drinking such things as they give: for the labourer is worthy of his hire. Go not from house to house.

Webster's Bible Translation
And in the same house remain, eating and drinking such things as they give: for the laborer is worthy of his hire. Go not from house to house.

Weymouth New Testament
And in that same house stay, eating and drinking at their table; for the labourer deserves his wages. Do not move from one house to another.
Fixed for you Gaeten. And notice that the direction is given ONLY TO THE APOSTLES.

Why are you so disingenuous? Why are you still using money? Why haven't you moved to the Holy Land? Why are you still misinterpreting the Bible? How long before you try to change the subject and not answer questions directed to you?

If your income is derived from your work then according to you, you are breaking the word of the Bible. If you are getting ANY sort of government assistance and/or retirement then you have not done any work and are breaking the word of the Bible according to you.
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Old 8th September 2019, 08:15 AM   #4680
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Fixed for you Gaeten. And notice that the direction is given ONLY TO THE APOSTLES.
What Jesus did and apostles should do are also what you should do. What is no good for apostles is also no good for you.
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