Money/inequalities - Part 2 - Page 77

BStrong · 10th January 2019, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by Gaetan

And he'll finally get in hell after stealing workers.

A million of you doesn't equal one of John Walton, even if he died without a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of.

Of all the various delusions you've revealed in this thread, the "my all-powerful imaginary friend makes me right" gambit is the weakest thing you;ve come up with.

Joecool · 10th January 2019, 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by Gaetan

And he'll finally get in hell after stealing workers.

Very appropriate quote from Matthew 7 for Gaetan:

Quote:

3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

Gaetan · 10th January 2019, 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by BStrong

A million of you doesn't equal one of John Walton

What you talk about was a killer who stole a million of workers.

BStrong · 10th January 2019, 06:00 PM

Originally Posted by Joecool

Very appropriate quote from Matthew 7 for Gaetan:

My impression is that there's not much biblical knowledge behind their financial philosophy.

Much like a grifter working a con on religious rubes, any reference to "religion" in the pitch is just puffery.

BStrong · 10th January 2019, 06:01 PM

Originally Posted by Gaetan

What you talk about was a killer who stole a million of workers.

Another failure of knowledge.

Is it tiring to be flat wrong on so many subjects?

RoboTimbo · 10th January 2019, 06:05 PM

Originally Posted by Gaetan

What you talk about was a killer who stole a million of workers.

You defend child rapists and thieves and worship Trump.

Gaetan · 10th January 2019, 06:05 PM

Originally Posted by Joecool

Very appropriate quote from Matthew 7 for Gaetan:

I don't condemn people nor send them to prison, Jesus Christ also, but he criticizes the injustice, that what i do.

RoboTimbo · 10th January 2019, 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by Gaetan

I don't condemn people nor send them to prison, Jesus Christ also, but he criticizes the injustice, that what i do.

No, you deflect from the true evil of your religion and your make believe fairies and elves.

BStrong · 10th January 2019, 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by Gaetan

I don't condemn people nor send them to prison, Jesus Christ also, but he criticizes the injustice, that what i do.

Please - if the MA didn't forbid it you be calling anyone that disagrees with your nonsense 7 kinds of douchebag - you were carded today for doing just that.

And why do you want to drag poor JC into your mess? didn't the man suffer enough?

Gaetan · 10th January 2019, 09:16 PM

Originally Posted by RoboTimbo

No, you deflect from the true evil of your religion and your make believe fairies and elves.

Your religion uses money judge people according to rules of Satan, not mine.

Joecool · 10th January 2019, 11:55 PM

Originally Posted by Gaetan

Your religion uses money judge people according to rules of Satan, not mine.

You are the hypocrite saying people who use money are evil while at the same time saying you work for money.

The Bible and Jesus doesn't condemn the use of money, but the "love of money" which creates various "evils".

Money in itself can't be evil or immoral. Money is usually paper or some precious metal which is just used as a means of exchange. Why can't you get that?

RoboTimbo · 11th January 2019, 06:09 AM

Originally Posted by Gaetan

Your religion uses money judge people according to rules of Satan, not mine.

And yet you already know that I have no religion. Typical of you Trump religionists to hypocritically accuse other people of what you do. You use money, don't you?

Don't you agree that evil religion needs to be eradicated from the face of the earth since it turns peoples' brains to pudding?

Gaetan · 11th January 2019, 08:26 AM

Originally Posted by Joecool

You are the hypocrite saying people who use money are evil while at the same time saying you work for money.

The Bible and Jesus doesn't condemn the use of money, but the "love of money" which creates various "evils".

Money in itself can't be evil or immoral. Money is usually paper or some precious metal which is just used as a means of exchange. Why can't you get that?

Jesus says this: ESV Mt 10.

Jesus Sends Out the Twelve Apostles

5 These twelve Jesus sent out, instructing them, “Go nowhere among the Gentiles and enter no town of the Samaritans, 6 but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7 And proclaim as you go, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand.’[c] 8 Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse lepers,[d] cast out demons. You received without paying; give without pay. 9 Acquire no gold or silver or copper for your belts, 10 no bag for your journey, or two tunics[e] or sandals or a staff, for the laborer deserves his food. 11 And whatever town or village you enter, find out who is worthy in it and stay there until you depart. 12 As you enter the house, greet it. 13 And if the house is worthy, let your peace come upon it, but if it is not worthy, let your peace return to you. 14 And if anyone will not receive you or listen to your words, shake off the dust from your feet when you leave that house or town. 15 Truly, I say to you, it will be more bearable on the day of judgment for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah than for that town.

RoboTimbo · 11th January 2019, 08:41 AM

So those were instructions just for the 12 apostles then, not for the world at large?

Gaetan · 11th January 2019, 08:59 AM

Originally Posted by RoboTimbo

So those were instructions just for the 12 apostles then, not for the world at large?

The world of money is the world of Satan according to Jésus Christ, that's the conclusion you have to make according to what he said.

RoboTimbo · 11th January 2019, 09:05 AM

Originally Posted by Gaetan

The world of money is the world of Satan according to Jésus Christ, that's the conclusion you have to make according to what he said.

No, that isn't the conclusion one makes from what was claimed he said. Why do you add your own weird religious interpretation to it? That's a Trump thing to do.

The conclusion that people without pudding brains make is that Jesus was for separation of church and state. Money is a state thing, not a church thing.

Trying to make money a church thing is evil, according to Jesus.

Leftus · 11th January 2019, 09:49 AM

Originally Posted by Gaetan

Jesus says this: ESV Mt 10.

Jesus Sends Out the Twelve Apostles

5 These twelve Jesus sent out, instructing them, “Go nowhere among the Gentiles and enter no town of the Samaritans,

It wasn't for everyone. Clearly, stay away from those Samaritans.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2G1KL0ZKcE4

Gaetan · 11th January 2019, 10:01 AM

Originally Posted by Leftus

It wasn't for everyone. Clearly, stay away from those Samaritans.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2G1KL0ZKcE4

Ok that means stay away from Robo Timbo, You, and Jocool and after:

14 And if anyone will not receive you or listen to your words, shake off the dust from your feet when you leave that house or town. 15 Truly, I say to you, it will be more bearable on the day of judgment for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah than for that town.
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fagin · 11th January 2019, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by Gaetan

Ok that means stay away from Robo Timbo, You, and Jocool and after:

14 And if anyone will not receive you or listen to your words, shake off the dust from your feet when you leave that house or town. 15 Truly, I say to you, it will be more bearable on the day of judgment for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah than for that town.
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RoboTimbo · 11th January 2019, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by Gaetan

Ok that means stay away from Robo Timbo, You, and Jocool and after:

14 And if anyone will not receive you or listen to your words, shake off the dust from your feet when you leave that house or town. 15 Truly, I say to you, it will be more bearable on the day of judgment for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah than for that town.
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You've been wrong here for almost 10 years and you don't show any signs of shaking the dust off of your feet. If you believe your Jesus said to shake the dust off your feet, why haven't you?

Jesus said to render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and to render unto god that which is god's. And yet you try to render unto the church that which is the state's.

You read the words of Jesus and then you do the opposite of what he wants. You are typical religious hypocrite.

Gaetan · 11th January 2019, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by RoboTimbo

You've been wrong here for almost 10 years and you don't show any signs of shaking the dust off of your feet. If you believe your Jesus said to shake the dust off your feet, why haven't you?

Jesus said to render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and to render unto god that which is god's. And yet you try to render unto the church that which is the state's.

You read the words of Jesus and then you do the opposite of what he wants. You are typical religious hypocrite.

The Pharisees said the same thing of Jesus Christ.

The Great Zaganza · 11th January 2019, 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by Gaetan

The Pharisees said the same thing of Jesus Christ.

and they were right.

RoboTimbo · 11th January 2019, 10:49 AM

Originally Posted by Gaetan

The Pharisees said the same thing of Jesus Christ.

And you are wrong.

Joecool · 11th January 2019, 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by Gaetan

Jesus says this: ESV Mt 10.

Jesus Sends Out the Twelve Apostles

5 These twelve Jesus sent out, instructing them, “Go nowhere among the Gentiles and enter no town of the Samaritans, 6 but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7 And proclaim as you go, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand.’[c] 8 Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse lepers,[d] cast out demons. You received without paying; give without pay. 9 Acquire no gold or silver or copper for your belts, 10 no bag for your journey, or two tunics[e] or sandals or a staff, for the laborer deserves his food. 11 And whatever town or village you enter, find out who is worthy in it and stay there until you depart. 12 As you enter the house, greet it. 13 And if the house is worthy, let your peace come upon it, but if it is not worthy, let your peace return to you. 14 And if anyone will not receive you or listen to your words, shake off the dust from your feet when you leave that house or town. 15 Truly, I say to you, it will be more bearable on the day of judgment for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah than for that town.

The Parable of the Workers in the Vineyard

20 “For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner who went out early in the morning to hire workers for his vineyard. 2 He agreed to pay them a denarius[a] for the day and sent them into his vineyard.

3 “About nine in the morning he went out and saw others standing in the marketplace doing nothing. 4 He told them, ‘You also go and work in my vineyard, and I will pay you whatever is right.’ 5 So they went.

“He went out again about noon and about three in the afternoon and did the same thing. 6 About five in the afternoon he went out and found still others standing around. He asked them, ‘Why have you been standing here all day long doing nothing?’

7 “‘Because no one has hired us,’ they answered.

“He said to them, ‘You also go and work in my vineyard.’

8 “When evening came, the owner of the vineyard said to his foreman, ‘Call the workers and pay them their wages, beginning with the last ones hired and going on to the first.’

9 “The workers who were hired about five in the afternoon came and each received a denarius. 10 So when those came who were hired first, they expected to receive more. But each one of them also received a denarius. 11 When they received it, they began to grumble against the landowner. 12 ‘These who were hired last worked only one hour,’ they said, ‘and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the work and the heat of the day.’

13 “But he answered one of them, ‘I am not being unfair to you, friend. Didn’t you agree to work for a denarius? 14 Take your pay and go. I want to give the one who was hired last the same as I gave you. 15 Don’t I have the right to do what I want with my own money?

Gaetan, if Jesus opposed money, why does he tell a parable about someone working and receiving wages?

Joecool · 11th January 2019, 11:12 AM

The Parable of the Bags of Gold

14 “Again, it will be like a man going on a journey, who called his servants and entrusted his wealth to them. 15 To one he gave five bags of gold, to another two bags, and to another one bag,[a] each according to his ability. Then he went on his journey. 16 The man who had received five bags of gold went at once and put his money to work and gained five bags more. 17 So also, the one with two bags of gold gained two more. 18 But the man who had received one bag went off, dug a hole in the ground and hid his master’s money.

19 “After a long time the master of those servants returned and settled accounts with them. 20 The man who had received five bags of gold brought the other five. ‘Master,’ he said, ‘you entrusted me with five bags of gold. See, I have gained five more.’

21 “His master replied, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master’s happiness!’

22 “The man with two bags of gold also came. ‘Master,’ he said, ‘you entrusted me with two bags of gold; see, I have gained two more.’

23 “His master replied, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master’s happiness!’

24 “Then the man who had received one bag of gold came. ‘Master,’ he said, ‘I knew that you are a hard man, harvesting where you have not sown and gathering where you have not scattered seed. 25 So I was afraid and went out and hid your gold in the ground. See, here is what belongs to you.’

26 “His master replied, ‘You wicked, lazy servant! So you knew that I harvest where I have not sown and gather where I have not scattered seed? 27 Well then, you should have put my money on deposit with the bankers, so that when I returned I would have received it back with interest.

28 “‘So take the bag of gold from him and give it to the one who has ten bags. 29 For whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them. 30 And throw that worthless servant outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

Gaetan, someone who made a profit was rewarded in this parable. It says nothing about working for free.

RoboTimbo · 11th January 2019, 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by Gaetan

The Pharisees said the same thing of Jesus Christ.

Now that you've called Jesus a big poopy head liar and set yourself up as the alternative Jesus, do you start calling your bible "Fake News"?

Gaetan · 11th January 2019, 12:48 PM

Mt 10.14 And if anyone will not receive you or listen to your words, shake off the dust from your feet when you leave that house or town. 15 Truly, I say to you, it will be more bearable on the day of judgment for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah than for that town.

I wander if there is anyone on this forum who vale the trouble i keep.

Leftus · 11th January 2019, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by Gaetan

Ok that means stay away from Robo Timbo, You, and Jocool and after:

14 And if anyone will not receive you or listen to your words, shake off the dust from your feet when you leave that house or town. 15 Truly, I say to you, it will be more bearable on the day of judgment for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah than for that town.

You are still misunderstanding what you first quoted. He wasn't giving instructions for the world, but for his followers. His ingroup. He specifically excluded people already not in the cult.

Also, Jesus put the restrictions on his disciples of not charging for gifts he gave to his disciples. That is to say they shouldn't charge for work they, themselves are not doing. They have zero ability to raise the dead on their own merit. If they do manage to raise the dead, they have done zero work. Ergo, zero pay.

Threats of violence that you have no ability to carry out is not the best way to gain converts. Might as well threaten to turn me into a newt.

RoboTimbo · 11th January 2019, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by Gaetan

shake off the dust from your feet when you leave that house or town.

Why do you not heed the words of Jesus? Unless you think he was as wrong about that as he was about separation of church and state.

fagin · 11th January 2019, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by Gaetan

.....

I wander if there is anyone on this forum who vale the trouble i keep.

Been hitting the communion wine?

BStrong · 11th January 2019, 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by fagin

Been hitting the communion wine?

That and the divine bong.

Gaetan · 11th January 2019, 01:52 PM

TEST

Joecool · 11th January 2019, 05:07 PM

Originally Posted by Gaetan

Mt 10.14 And if anyone will not receive you or listen to your words, shake off the dust from your feet when you leave that house or town. 15 Truly, I say to you, it will be more bearable on the day of judgment for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah than for that town.

I wander if there is anyone on this forum who vale the trouble i keep.

Gaetan, do you really understand what you are posting or just posting scriptures that fit your narrative?

Jesus says that yes, money can be a stumbling block for some. For example:

The Pharisees “who were lovers of money” (Luke 16:14)
The money changers in the temple (see Matt. 21:12-13)
Judas Iscariot (see Matt. 26:14-16; John 12:4-6)

But if Jesus saw money as some kind of plague, why then were some wealthy men considered as his disciples? Wouldn't Jesus have rejected them? But he didn't. Therefore we can assume that money has a place in his world.

In his life and ministry Jesus himself benefited from the wealth of others and even instructed his disciples in the use of material goods for their own spiritual pursuits (see Luke 22:35-36). Wealthy individuals — including Zacchaeus and Joseph of Arimathea — followed Jesus. Others — such as the Gerasene formerly demoniac — desired to leave all in order to follow Jesus, but was prohibited from doing so by Christ himself (see Mark 5:18-19).

Gaetan · 11th January 2019, 05:37 PM

I put a TEST, i wrote the post TEST at 03:52 PM there were 258,685 views and on 11th at 07:07 PM there were 258,769 views, that makes 84 in only 4 hrs roughly, then there must be at least 10 righteous who view that post, then it's OK for me to continue. It can't be only wolves who read my posts even if it's only wolves who make comments.

RoboTimbo · 11th January 2019, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by Gaetan

I put a TEST, i wrote the post TEST at 03:52 PM there were 258,685 views and on 11th at 07:07 PM there were 258,769 views, that makes 84 in only 4 hrs roughly, then there must be at least 10 righteous who view that post, then it's OK for me to continue. It can't be only wolves who read my posts even if it's only wolves who make comments.

The ubiquitous silent watchers who all agree with our antagonist but never post in his support.

Every crackpot claims them. LOL. You and your hero Trump both have your alternative facts.

Leftus · 11th January 2019, 07:16 PM

Originally Posted by fagin

Been hitting the communion wine?

Maybe when he said "I fighted the devils during 6 months with help of some spirits..." he was speaking of stuff stronger than wine.

Gaetan · 11th January 2019, 07:48 PM

Originally Posted by Joecool

Gaetan,
Judas Iscariot (see Matt. 26:14-16; John 12:4-6)

Jesus so appreciated the gift of money that he asked a treacherous to look after it. Don't you think he had well chosen the right person?

RoboTimbo · 11th January 2019, 07:53 PM

Originally Posted by Gaetan

Jesus so appreciated the gift of money that he asked a treacherous to look after it. Don't you think he had well chosen the right person?

Look at all of the treacherous who are religious. Why do you suppose Jesus was in favor of separation of church and state?

Gaetan · 11th January 2019, 08:58 PM

Originally Posted by RoboTimbo

Look at all of the treacherous who are religious. Why do you suppose Jesus was in favor of separation of church and state?

Jesus never said that. Politic is religion: You have the extreme left, their spiritual Father is God. You have the extreme right, their spiritual father is Satan. You see that your body, Trump, right wing, is supported by evangelist churches, it is because their spiritual father is Satan.

Joecool · 12th January 2019, 01:33 AM

Originally Posted by Gaetan

Jesus never said that. Politic is religion: You have the extreme left, their spiritual Father is God. You have the extreme right, their spiritual father is Satan. You see that your body, Trump, right wing, is supported by evangelist churches, it is because their spiritual father is Satan.

Who said the left is God.? You are just making up stuff again. The left is not religious. They approve of abortion and gay marriage. I don't care but the left seems to approve of things that you oppose. You are of bad faith and you worship satanism.

10th January 2019, 05:38 PM	#3041
BStrong Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: San Francisco Posts: 12,711	Originally Posted by Gaetan And he'll finally get in hell after stealing workers. A million of you doesn't equal one of John Walton, even if he died without a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of. Of all the various delusions you've revealed in this thread, the "my all-powerful imaginary friend makes me right" gambit is the weakest thing you;ve come up with.
	__________________ Music is what feelings sound like "Dulce bellum inexpertīs." - Erasmus

10th January 2019, 05:40 PM	#3042
Joecool Master Poster Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,615	Originally Posted by Gaetan And he'll finally get in hell after stealing workers. Very appropriate quote from Matthew 7 for Gaetan: Quote: 3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.
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10th January 2019, 05:58 PM	#3043
Gaetan Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,374	Originally Posted by BStrong A million of you doesn't equal one of John Walton What you talk about was a killer who stole a million of workers.
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10th January 2019, 06:00 PM	#3044
BStrong Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: San Francisco Posts: 12,711	Originally Posted by Joecool Very appropriate quote from Matthew 7 for Gaetan: My impression is that there's not much biblical knowledge behind their financial philosophy. Much like a grifter working a con on religious rubes, any reference to "religion" in the pitch is just puffery.
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10th January 2019, 06:01 PM	#3045
BStrong Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: San Francisco Posts: 12,711	Originally Posted by Gaetan What you talk about was a killer who stole a million of workers. Another failure of knowledge. Is it tiring to be flat wrong on so many subjects?
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10th January 2019, 06:05 PM	#3046
RoboTimbo Hostile Nanobacon Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Springwood, NJ Posts: 30,587	Originally Posted by Gaetan What you talk about was a killer who stole a million of workers. You defend child rapists and thieves and worship Trump.

10th January 2019, 06:05 PM	#3047
Gaetan Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,374	Originally Posted by Joecool Very appropriate quote from Matthew 7 for Gaetan: I don't condemn people nor send them to prison, Jesus Christ also, but he criticizes the injustice, that what i do.
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10th January 2019, 06:07 PM	#3048
RoboTimbo Hostile Nanobacon Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Springwood, NJ Posts: 30,587	Originally Posted by Gaetan I don't condemn people nor send them to prison, Jesus Christ also, but he criticizes the injustice, that what i do. No, you deflect from the true evil of your religion and your make believe fairies and elves.

10th January 2019, 06:16 PM	#3049
BStrong Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: San Francisco Posts: 12,711	Originally Posted by Gaetan I don't condemn people nor send them to prison, Jesus Christ also, but he criticizes the injustice, that what i do. Please - if the MA didn't forbid it you be calling anyone that disagrees with your nonsense 7 kinds of douchebag - you were carded today for doing just that. And why do you want to drag poor JC into your mess? didn't the man suffer enough?
	__________________ Music is what feelings sound like "Dulce bellum inexpertīs." - Erasmus

10th January 2019, 09:16 PM	#3050
Gaetan Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,374	Originally Posted by RoboTimbo No, you deflect from the true evil of your religion and your make believe fairies and elves. Your religion uses money judge people according to rules of Satan, not mine.
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10th January 2019, 11:55 PM	#3051
Joecool Master Poster Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,615	Originally Posted by Gaetan Your religion uses money judge people according to rules of Satan, not mine. You are the hypocrite saying people who use money are evil while at the same time saying you work for money. The Bible and Jesus doesn't condemn the use of money, but the "love of money" which creates various "evils". Money in itself can't be evil or immoral. Money is usually paper or some precious metal which is just used as a means of exchange. Why can't you get that?
Joecool Master Poster Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,615

11th January 2019, 06:09 AM	#3052
RoboTimbo Hostile Nanobacon Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Springwood, NJ Posts: 30,587	Originally Posted by Gaetan Your religion uses money judge people according to rules of Satan, not mine. And yet you already know that I have no religion. Typical of you Trump religionists to hypocritically accuse other people of what you do. You use money, don't you? Don't you agree that evil religion needs to be eradicated from the face of the earth since it turns peoples' brains to pudding?

11th January 2019, 08:26 AM	#3053
Gaetan Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,374	Originally Posted by Joecool You are the hypocrite saying people who use money are evil while at the same time saying you work for money. The Bible and Jesus doesn't condemn the use of money, but the "love of money" which creates various "evils". Money in itself can't be evil or immoral. Money is usually paper or some precious metal which is just used as a means of exchange. Why can't you get that? Jesus says this: ESV Mt 10. Jesus Sends Out the Twelve Apostles 5 These twelve Jesus sent out, instructing them, “Go nowhere among the Gentiles and enter no town of the Samaritans, 6 but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7 And proclaim as you go, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand.’[c] 8 Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse lepers,[d] cast out demons. You received without paying; give without pay. 9 Acquire no gold or silver or copper for your belts, 10 no bag for your journey, or two tunics[e] or sandals or a staff, for the laborer deserves his food. 11 And whatever town or village you enter, find out who is worthy in it and stay there until you depart. 12 As you enter the house, greet it. 13 And if the house is worthy, let your peace come upon it, but if it is not worthy, let your peace return to you. 14 And if anyone will not receive you or listen to your words, shake off the dust from your feet when you leave that house or town. 15 Truly, I say to you, it will be more bearable on the day of judgment for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah than for that town.
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11th January 2019, 08:41 AM	#3054
RoboTimbo Hostile Nanobacon Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Springwood, NJ Posts: 30,587	So those were instructions just for the 12 apostles then, not for the world at large?

11th January 2019, 08:59 AM	#3055
Gaetan Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,374	Originally Posted by RoboTimbo So those were instructions just for the 12 apostles then, not for the world at large? The world of money is the world of Satan according to Jésus Christ, that's the conclusion you have to make according to what he said.
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11th January 2019, 09:05 AM	#3056
RoboTimbo Hostile Nanobacon Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Springwood, NJ Posts: 30,587	Originally Posted by Gaetan The world of money is the world of Satan according to Jésus Christ, that's the conclusion you have to make according to what he said. No, that isn't the conclusion one makes from what was claimed he said. Why do you add your own weird religious interpretation to it? That's a Trump thing to do. The conclusion that people without pudding brains make is that Jesus was for separation of church and state. Money is a state thing, not a church thing. Trying to make money a church thing is evil, according to Jesus.

11th January 2019, 09:49 AM	#3057
Leftus Graduate Poster Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,363	Originally Posted by Gaetan Jesus says this: ESV Mt 10. Jesus Sends Out the Twelve Apostles 5 These twelve Jesus sent out, instructing them, “Go nowhere among the Gentiles and enter no town of the Samaritans, It wasn't for everyone. Clearly, stay away from those Samaritans. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2G1KL0ZKcE4
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11th January 2019, 10:01 AM	#3058
Gaetan Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,374	Originally Posted by Leftus It wasn't for everyone. Clearly, stay away from those Samaritans. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2G1KL0ZKcE4 Ok that means stay away from Robo Timbo, You, and Jocool and after: 14 And if anyone will not receive you or listen to your words, shake off the dust from your feet when you leave that house or town. 15 Truly, I say to you, it will be more bearable on the day of judgment for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah than for that town. Gaetan is offline Report Post Quote this post in a PM
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11th January 2019, 10:16 AM	#3059
fagin Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: As far away from casebro as possible. Posts: 7,070	Originally Posted by Gaetan Ok that means stay away from Robo Timbo, You, and Jocool and after: 14 And if anyone will not receive you or listen to your words, shake off the dust from your feet when you leave that house or town. 15 Truly, I say to you, it will be more bearable on the day of judgment for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah than for that town. Gaetan is offline Report Post Quote this post in a PM Copy and paste fail?
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11th January 2019, 10:18 AM	#3060
RoboTimbo Hostile Nanobacon Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Springwood, NJ Posts: 30,587	Originally Posted by Gaetan Ok that means stay away from Robo Timbo, You, and Jocool and after: 14 And if anyone will not receive you or listen to your words, shake off the dust from your feet when you leave that house or town. 15 Truly, I say to you, it will be more bearable on the day of judgment for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah than for that town. Gaetan is offline Report Post Quote this post in a PM You've been wrong here for almost 10 years and you don't show any signs of shaking the dust off of your feet. If you believe your Jesus said to shake the dust off your feet, why haven't you? Jesus said to render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and to render unto god that which is god's. And yet you try to render unto the church that which is the state's. You read the words of Jesus and then you do the opposite of what he wants. You are typical religious hypocrite.

11th January 2019, 10:32 AM	#3061
Gaetan Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,374	Originally Posted by RoboTimbo You've been wrong here for almost 10 years and you don't show any signs of shaking the dust off of your feet. If you believe your Jesus said to shake the dust off your feet, why haven't you? Jesus said to render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and to render unto god that which is god's. And yet you try to render unto the church that which is the state's. You read the words of Jesus and then you do the opposite of what he wants. You are typical religious hypocrite. The Pharisees said the same thing of Jesus Christ.
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11th January 2019, 10:37 AM	#3062
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 10,684	Originally Posted by Gaetan The Pharisees said the same thing of Jesus Christ. and they were right.
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11th January 2019, 10:49 AM	#3063
RoboTimbo Hostile Nanobacon Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Springwood, NJ Posts: 30,587	Originally Posted by Gaetan The Pharisees said the same thing of Jesus Christ. And you are wrong.

11th January 2019, 11:09 AM	#3064
Joecool Master Poster Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,615	Originally Posted by Gaetan Jesus says this: ESV Mt 10. Jesus Sends Out the Twelve Apostles 5 These twelve Jesus sent out, instructing them, “Go nowhere among the Gentiles and enter no town of the Samaritans, 6 but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7 And proclaim as you go, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand.’[c] 8 Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse lepers,[d] cast out demons. You received without paying; give without pay. 9 Acquire no gold or silver or copper for your belts, 10 no bag for your journey, or two tunics[e] or sandals or a staff, for the laborer deserves his food. 11 And whatever town or village you enter, find out who is worthy in it and stay there until you depart. 12 As you enter the house, greet it. 13 And if the house is worthy, let your peace come upon it, but if it is not worthy, let your peace return to you. 14 And if anyone will not receive you or listen to your words, shake off the dust from your feet when you leave that house or town. 15 Truly, I say to you, it will be more bearable on the day of judgment for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah than for that town. The Parable of the Workers in the Vineyard 20 “For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner who went out early in the morning to hire workers for his vineyard. 2 He agreed to pay them a denarius[a] for the day and sent them into his vineyard. 3 “About nine in the morning he went out and saw others standing in the marketplace doing nothing. 4 He told them, ‘You also go and work in my vineyard, and I will pay you whatever is right.’ 5 So they went. “He went out again about noon and about three in the afternoon and did the same thing. 6 About five in the afternoon he went out and found still others standing around. He asked them, ‘Why have you been standing here all day long doing nothing?’ 7 “‘Because no one has hired us,’ they answered. “He said to them, ‘You also go and work in my vineyard.’ 8 “When evening came, the owner of the vineyard said to his foreman, ‘Call the workers and pay them their wages, beginning with the last ones hired and going on to the first.’ 9 “The workers who were hired about five in the afternoon came and each received a denarius. 10 So when those came who were hired first, they expected to receive more. But each one of them also received a denarius. 11 When they received it, they began to grumble against the landowner. 12 ‘These who were hired last worked only one hour,’ they said, ‘and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the work and the heat of the day.’ 13 “But he answered one of them, ‘I am not being unfair to you, friend. Didn’t you agree to work for a denarius? 14 Take your pay and go. I want to give the one who was hired last the same as I gave you. 15 Don’t I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Gaetan, if Jesus opposed money, why does he tell a parable about someone working and receiving wages?
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11th January 2019, 11:12 AM	#3065
Joecool Master Poster Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,615	The Parable of the Bags of Gold 14 “Again, it will be like a man going on a journey, who called his servants and entrusted his wealth to them. 15 To one he gave five bags of gold, to another two bags, and to another one bag,[a] each according to his ability. Then he went on his journey. 16 The man who had received five bags of gold went at once and put his money to work and gained five bags more. 17 So also, the one with two bags of gold gained two more. 18 But the man who had received one bag went off, dug a hole in the ground and hid his master’s money. 19 “After a long time the master of those servants returned and settled accounts with them. 20 The man who had received five bags of gold brought the other five. ‘Master,’ he said, ‘you entrusted me with five bags of gold. See, I have gained five more.’ 21 “His master replied, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master’s happiness!’ 22 “The man with two bags of gold also came. ‘Master,’ he said, ‘you entrusted me with two bags of gold; see, I have gained two more.’ 23 “His master replied, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master’s happiness!’ 24 “Then the man who had received one bag of gold came. ‘Master,’ he said, ‘I knew that you are a hard man, harvesting where you have not sown and gathering where you have not scattered seed. 25 So I was afraid and went out and hid your gold in the ground. See, here is what belongs to you.’ 26 “His master replied, ‘You wicked, lazy servant! So you knew that I harvest where I have not sown and gather where I have not scattered seed? 27 Well then, you should have put my money on deposit with the bankers, so that when I returned I would have received it back with interest. 28 “‘So take the bag of gold from him and give it to the one who has ten bags. 29 For whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them. 30 And throw that worthless servant outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’ Gaetan, someone who made a profit was rewarded in this parable. It says nothing about working for free.
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11th January 2019, 12:10 PM	#3066
RoboTimbo Hostile Nanobacon Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Springwood, NJ Posts: 30,587	Originally Posted by Gaetan The Pharisees said the same thing of Jesus Christ. Now that you've called Jesus a big poopy head liar and set yourself up as the alternative Jesus, do you start calling your bible "Fake News"?

11th January 2019, 12:48 PM	#3067
Gaetan Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,374	Mt 10.14 And if anyone will not receive you or listen to your words, shake off the dust from your feet when you leave that house or town. 15 Truly, I say to you, it will be more bearable on the day of judgment for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah than for that town. I wander if there is anyone on this forum who vale the trouble i keep.
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11th January 2019, 12:51 PM	#3068
Leftus Graduate Poster Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,363	Originally Posted by Gaetan Ok that means stay away from Robo Timbo, You, and Jocool and after: 14 And if anyone will not receive you or listen to your words, shake off the dust from your feet when you leave that house or town. 15 Truly, I say to you, it will be more bearable on the day of judgment for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah than for that town. You are still misunderstanding what you first quoted. He wasn't giving instructions for the world, but for his followers. His ingroup. He specifically excluded people already not in the cult. Also, Jesus put the restrictions on his disciples of not charging for gifts he gave to his disciples. That is to say they shouldn't charge for work they, themselves are not doing. They have zero ability to raise the dead on their own merit. If they do manage to raise the dead, they have done zero work. Ergo, zero pay. Threats of violence that you have no ability to carry out is not the best way to gain converts. Might as well threaten to turn me into a newt.
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11th January 2019, 12:57 PM	#3069
RoboTimbo Hostile Nanobacon Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Springwood, NJ Posts: 30,587	Originally Posted by Gaetan shake off the dust from your feet when you leave that house or town. Why do you not heed the words of Jesus? Unless you think he was as wrong about that as he was about separation of church and state.

11th January 2019, 01:16 PM	#3070
fagin Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: As far away from casebro as possible. Posts: 7,070	Originally Posted by Gaetan ..... I wander if there is anyone on this forum who vale the trouble i keep. Been hitting the communion wine?
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11th January 2019, 01:23 PM	#3071
BStrong Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: San Francisco Posts: 12,711	Originally Posted by fagin Been hitting the communion wine? That and the divine bong.
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11th January 2019, 01:52 PM	#3072
Gaetan Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,374	TEST
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11th January 2019, 05:07 PM	#3073
Joecool Master Poster Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,615	Originally Posted by Gaetan Mt 10.14 And if anyone will not receive you or listen to your words, shake off the dust from your feet when you leave that house or town. 15 Truly, I say to you, it will be more bearable on the day of judgment for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah than for that town. I wander if there is anyone on this forum who vale the trouble i keep. Gaetan, do you really understand what you are posting or just posting scriptures that fit your narrative? Jesus says that yes, money can be a stumbling block for some. For example: The Pharisees “who were lovers of money” (Luke 16:14) The money changers in the temple (see Matt. 21:12-13) Judas Iscariot (see Matt. 26:14-16; John 12:4-6) But if Jesus saw money as some kind of plague, why then were some wealthy men considered as his disciples? Wouldn't Jesus have rejected them? But he didn't. Therefore we can assume that money has a place in his world. In his life and ministry Jesus himself benefited from the wealth of others and even instructed his disciples in the use of material goods for their own spiritual pursuits (see Luke 22:35-36). Wealthy individuals — including Zacchaeus and Joseph of Arimathea — followed Jesus. Others — such as the Gerasene formerly demoniac — desired to leave all in order to follow Jesus, but was prohibited from doing so by Christ himself (see Mark 5:18-19).
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11th January 2019, 05:37 PM	#3074
Gaetan Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,374	I put a TEST, i wrote the post TEST at 03:52 PM there were 258,685 views and on 11th at 07:07 PM there were 258,769 views, that makes 84 in only 4 hrs roughly, then there must be at least 10 righteous who view that post, then it's OK for me to continue. It can't be only wolves who read my posts even if it's only wolves who make comments.
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11th January 2019, 05:46 PM	#3075
RoboTimbo Hostile Nanobacon Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Springwood, NJ Posts: 30,587	Originally Posted by Gaetan I put a TEST, i wrote the post TEST at 03:52 PM there were 258,685 views and on 11th at 07:07 PM there were 258,769 views, that makes 84 in only 4 hrs roughly, then there must be at least 10 righteous who view that post, then it's OK for me to continue. It can't be only wolves who read my posts even if it's only wolves who make comments. The ubiquitous silent watchers who all agree with our antagonist but never post in his support. Every crackpot claims them. LOL. You and your hero Trump both have your alternative facts.