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I grew up in the North East of England and whilst by accent and pronunciation is probably a lot more neutral, I do tend to maximise the number of syllables in words (Mrs Don's pronunciation in brackets)
Library - Lie-bra-ree (Lie-bary) February - Feb-roo-arry (Feb-ree) Wednesday - Wed-ens-day (Whens-day) Film - Fill-um (Moo-vee) Maybe we just add those syllables to give us something to do on those long, cold winter's nights ![]() |
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English is a wonderful language, perhaps some day they'll consider using it in England.
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When I was a kid, we would occasionally see a Jagwire on the street. You know, the British car brand named after a big cat of the western hemisphere.
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The Japanese language puts four syllables in the word "film" in Katakana.
fu-i-ru-mu https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E3%8...83%AB%E3%83%A0 Not sure how the special characters will appear on your device but it looks OK on mine. |
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That's because Japanese doesn't have a /l/, and because Katakana is a syllabary where each character represents either a single vowel, or a consonant and a vowel. Or a single consonant that we in English render with two letters, like /sh/ and /th/, and a vowel.
That's why Japanese is so easy to pronounce. It's pronounced exactly as it as written. ETA: The /i/ character is smaller than the others, which means it modifies the previous character from /fu/ to /fi/. There is no single character for /fu/. So it's actually a little more complex than I said it would be. The word is pronounced fi-ru-mu. ETAA: The /f/ sound as we use it doesn't strictly exist in Japanese either. The character for /fu/ appears on the /h/ line and is pronounced without a strong fricative sound as we would use it. Japanese writing is fascinating. |
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What you wrote confirms my understanding of the language, and I agree with the fascinating bit. What really fascinates me is why they bother with the 2000 or so characters they've borrowed from the Chinese when they can do just fine with the alphabet of just 42 characters. Why do they want to make life harder on them selves this way?
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Because the kanji came first. Hiragana and katakana were invented as ways to make the kanji easier.
Disclaimer: I only took two years of Japanese, thirty five years ago. If someone with a better working knowledge of the language says something different, pay attention to them and not to me. |
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I always misread infrared to sound like the end bit of compared. Thermopylae really ought to be spelt and pronounced thermopile. As for the girls' name Penny Lope...
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You want difficult pronunciation?
Try saying "Peggy Babcock" five times in succession. |
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How were you viewing the character's name without hearing a pronunciation? I'm imagining that in the cartoons he often says his name.
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"Issue" in British English. In US English it's pronounced more like "ishue", but when I listened to my Harry Potter audio books read by Stephen Fry, he pronounced it like it's written, "issue". I tried pronouncing it and found it remarkably difficult to make it sound right. Don't really know why.
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Don't worry, you're not alone.
Most Australians use the pronounciation: iSHue and tiSHue, and think it hilarious when I pronounce them correctly. I think the confusion comes from sure, and sugar where su IS pronounced as sHu. ![]() |
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I though he always declared his name in his cartoon appearances.
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It was a long time before I realized the word I'd read and the word I'd heard were the same word, with "Adirondack". Not the place I assumed the stressed syllable fell.
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I always stumble over the words "repeat prescription," which at my time of life is getting to be a significant issue.
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"nonchalant" = "non-cal-ent" (as read)
Before 8th grade, I had read and heard the word many times. I only knew the written word in context and thought it was different, though similar. Then during a read-aloud in class one guy said it properly and I finally made the connection. I was privately embarrassed and thankful that I was not the one reading that passage aloud at the time. For years I thought it was "Her-my-own", because I had only read it in the credits of The Music Man. It was probably the first Harry Potter movie that enlightened me. (I had never read the books.) |
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A graduate student of mine many years ago, in a discussion in class, pronounced "chaos" as chouse (ch from church and ouse from house).
I took him aside later and told him it is pronounces "KAY-ahs" (American English). British English is "KAY-os," I believe. This was another case of never having heard the word, only read it. |
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Two words I keep hearing lately, always related to political reporting.
Irrevocable and divisive. But I often hear them pronounced differently from what I'm used to (and what the online Dictionary tells me). I hear "ir-revoke-able" instead of "ir-revikable" and "dih-viz-iv" instead of "dih-vice-iv". |
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