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Old 3rd August 2022, 08:34 PM   #801
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
And really bad at hiring lawyers....
My bar has been abuzz tonight. Law professors are clucking their tongues at how spectacularly bad Jones' defense team is. Certainly the botched discovery in re the text messages is a major error. But also they should be strongly counseling him to avoid public statements about the judge and jury.
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Old 3rd August 2022, 09:14 PM   #802
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Originally Posted by TheGoldcountry View Post
Oh, I think I love her.
It's even better knowing what a misogynistic ****-bag Jones is.
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Originally Posted by JayUtah View Post
My bar has been abuzz tonight. Law professors are clucking their tongues at how spectacularly bad Jones' defense team is. Certainly the botched discovery in re the text messages is a major error. But also they should be strongly counseling him to avoid public statements about the judge and jury.
Even if they do, he won't/can't.

He's a lot like The Fat Orange Turd in that respect... he blurts out what comes into his head, totally unfiltered, and the conspiracy theory rhetoric is so ingrained in his head, that he truly believes everything that is happening to him now is being controlled by the ubiquitous and omnipresent "them". He thinks he is a victim of the nefarious "deep state", that "they" are trying to silence him.
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
Even if they do, he won't/can't.

He's a lot like The Fat Orange Turd in that respect... he blurts out what comes into his head, totally unfiltered, and the conspiracy theory rhetoric is so ingrained in his head, that he truly believes everything that is happening to him now is being controlled by the ubiquitous and omnipresent "them". He thinks he is a victim of the nefarious "deep state", that "they" are trying to silence him.
They're the kind of guys who, if they'd committed a murder and got away with it because no body could be found, but thought that the way they disposed of the body was really clever, would have to blurt out how they'd done it so everyone could be suitably impressed.
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
I think this is a civil case, not a criminal one.
Yes, but perjury and fraud are criminal matters
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Old 3rd August 2022, 10:51 PM   #806
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In a slightly surreal addition, doing all the above and also lying to the judge ABOUT CHEWING GUM IN THE COURTROOM
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Maybe Jones is trying to maximize his punishment in order to score political points with his following? He would just need to present a defense that seems earnest enough to not be completely, absurdly implausible to said following.
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That BBC headline "Alex Jones concedes Sandy Hook school shooting was '100% real'" was a nice one to wake up to.
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That BBC headline "Alex Jones concedes Sandy Hook school shooting was '100% real'" was a nice one to wake up to.
He's about to be 100% ******.
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I hope there's incriminating evidence against Paul Watson too.

Or even better, links to Russia (but that's hoping too much)
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For Once, Alex Jones Can't Pretend His Way Out of Reality

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Reynal quoted Martin Niemöller "First they came for..." in his closing speech.

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Reynal quoted Martin Niemöller "First they came for..." in his closing speech.

A lot of people on the wrong side of things miss the fact that in the context of "First they came for" someone has to be the person coming for folks.

In other words "First they came for the Nazis... and yeah everything worked out great after that."

But yeah stuff like that is all they got. "If you don't let me keep being horrible, sooner or later they are going to come for you as well."
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A lot of people on the wrong side of things miss the fact that in the context of "First they came for" someone has to be the person coming for folks.

In other words "First they came for the Nazis... and yeah everything worked out great after that."

But yeah stuff like that is all they got. "If you don't let me keep being horrible, sooner or later they are going to come for you as well."
He should have finished with "then they came for Alex Jones" and I said "he's over there hiding behind perjury and insincere apologies" because he's a vile sociopathic traitor.
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My bar has been abuzz tonight. Law professors are clucking their tongues at how spectacularly bad Jones' defense team is. Certainly the botched discovery in re the text messages is a major error. But also they should be strongly counseling him to avoid public statements about the judge and jury.
It's almost like they WANT him to lose too.
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It's almost like they WANT him to lose too.
Hey! This is a SKEPTICS forum, not a Conspiracy Theory forum!
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Oh if only the January 6th committee could find his link to Trump January 6th and the Oath Keepers in those Texts, you know he will have some from his buddy Stone.
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It's almost like they WANT him to lose too.
You laugh but the "Oh come on no lawyer is THAT bad, this is a way to get a mistrial (that may or may not work depending on who's talking)" stuff has already started.
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Oh, the Alex Jones movie blocked me.

So sad!

And an OUTRAGE! An infringement on my liberties! 1776!

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Here we go...

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And now

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Oh noes at this rate his slap on the wrist will be upgraded to two slaps on the wrist.
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Maybe Jones is trying to maximize his punishment in order to score political points with his following? He would just need to present a defense that seems earnest enough to not be completely, absurdly implausible to said following.
I've been toying with this hypothesis too. He forfeited his opportunity for a jury trial and got a default judgment. He's grandstanding in and out of the courtroom, earning a scolding from the judge that plays right into his complaint that he's being railroaded by a hostile, biased judiciary. It's not out of the question to suppose he'll spin it all to grift the money to pay his settlement from his followers.
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I mean is there anyone here that is so naïve as to think that Jones isn't going to wind up right back at "Oh woe is me they are trying to censor me for JUST ASKING QUESTIONS!" sooner or later? Yeah he's learned the hard way that he can't play that role in Court (yet, give it time) but as soon as he's out, even if he's in prison, there is exactly nothing stopping from going right back to it. Because it will work.
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Oh noes at this rate his slap on the wrist will be upgraded to two slaps on the wrist.
I won't be happy until they at least whack his peepee.
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I mean is there anyone here that is so naïve as to think that Jones isn't going to wind right back at "Oh woe is me they are trying to censor me for JUST ASKING QUESTIONS!" sooner or later? Yeah he's learned the hard way that he can't play that role in Court...
He's falling all over himself now to give profuse apologies. I think he just realized his attorney is only a crisis actor.
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The problem is it is going to be very hard for him to "apologize" without just admitting more and more guilt. At some point even Alex Jones has to know when to shut up.

Again this is a troll in the one place where you can't be a troll and watching is like better than an orgasm but it's temporary. He'll go right back into character the second court is adjourned because A) it's literally all he knows and B) it will work in his favor.
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The problem is it is going to be very hard for him to "apologize" without just admitting more and more guilt. At some point even Alex Jones has to know when to shut up.

Again this is a troll in the one place where you can't be a troll and watching is like better than an orgasm but it's temporary. He'll go right back into character the second court is adjourned because A) it's literally all he knows and B) it will work in his favor.
I'm not sure there's any evidence for this.

I also don't know how easy it would be for him to claw back if he spends a short time in jail and with huge punitive damages (he must have alienated the jury with his comments about them)

He'd have name recognition but a lot of avenues would be closed to him. I doubt he'd be syndicated by any broadcast media due to the risk of him entangling them in defamation cases.
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Plaintiff's attorney confirms he has received requests from federal law enforcement to turn over Jones' text messages, and intends to comply within the limits of the judge's orders.

We need a much better "munching popcorn" emoji for this forum.
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Plaintiff's attorney confirms he has received requests from federal law enforcement to turn over Jones' text messages, and intends to comply within the limits of the judge's orders.

We need a much better "munching popcorn" emoji for this forum.
Golly gee willikers, I wonder what sort of limitations Judge Goblin will put on those text messages?
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Golly gee willikers, I wonder what sort of limitations Judge Goblin will put on those text messages?
I watched that live stream and I remember the judge saying (paraphrase) "Now that they know that material exists, they're going to get it one way or another." Ie, whether it's handed over to the Jan6 committee or subpoenaed by them.
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So what's the chain of custody like here? I mean are all the "i" dotted and "t" crossed if this goes as evidence to the Feds?
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Golly gee willikers, I wonder what sort of limitations Judge Goblin will put on those text messages?
Probably very little, at this point, because Jones' lawyer doesn't seem very interested in protecting his client's rights. As soon as plaintiffs' attorney revealed the evidence disclosure yesterday, that guy should have been on his feet objecting left and right, if only to stop the line of questioning and get the jury ushered out for an evidentiary hearing. Even if you lose a motion to suppress, it's crucial to keep the jury from hearing the story when their fascination is piqued. It's also essential to object in the moment in order to preserve rights on appeal, even if the objection is overruled. (Generally you can appeal procedural or evidentiary issues only if you properly objected during the trial.)

Jones' lawyer might have been distracted by the sound of his career circling the drain.
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Old 4th August 2022, 10:29 AM   #837
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As long as it doesn't allow Jones to argue he didn't have affective counsel and weasel his way out of this in any way, shape, or form (legally or from a PR perspective) his lawyer's career can go down the drain as fast as it wants.
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As long as it doesn't allow Jones to argue he didn't have affective counsel and weasel his way out of this in any way, shape, or form (legally or from a PR perspective) his lawyer's career can go down the drain as fast as it wants.
That defense only works in criminal cases.
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
So what's the chain of custody like here? I mean are all the "i" dotted and "t" crossed if this goes as evidence to the Feds?
As I understand it, the attorneys are sworn officers of the court and may receive and possess evidence and transmit it to law enforcement without raising any chain of custody issues.
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
That defense only works in criminal cases.
Correct; it's a Sixth Amendment issue, not for suits in equity. Jones would have to sue his lawyer for malpractice and attempt to recover the amount of the settlement his incompetent lawyer cost him. And before anyone asks, no, the ineffectiveness of counsel in a civil matter that then gives rise to criminal liability does not implicate the Sixth Amendment.
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