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7th January 2021, 12:47 PM | #81 |
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I learned a very long time ago that forcing people to go on record is a very good strategy, if you expect to win. If not, people will line up against you. I never did it on a national stage, but just in small time politics at clubs and offices. If people don't want to go on record, they will resent being forced to go on record.
What to do all depends on a lot of back stage conversations that are going on right now. If they can get him out early, I want him gone today, if it could be done. I just don't want his last act in office to be winning another fight with Pelosi. |
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Thye already identified the guy in Pelosi's office. He is going to get a call from the FBI real soon.
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7th January 2021, 12:50 PM | #85 |
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That is icky and so wrong! These folk are way classier than that. Need I remind you that they LARPed some actual gallows?
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7th January 2021, 12:51 PM | #86 |
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New: The FBI is seeking public help tracking down people involved in riot at the Capital.
Me On Phone to FBI: Yeah his name is Donald Trump. Mid-70s, orange combover, bad fitting suit. He lives on Pennsylvania Avenue in DC, don't remember the exact address but it's the Big White House, can't miss it. |
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Gunter Haas, the 'leading British expert,' was a graphologist who advised couples, based on their handwriting characteristics, if they were compatible for marriage. I would submit that couples idiotic enough to do this are probably quite suitable for each other. It's nice when stupid people find love. - Ludovic Kennedy |
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7th January 2021, 12:57 PM | #89 |
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Graham says he is committed to making sure every single person is caught and charged. He says he will require weekly updates from DOJ until that happens. Congress will provide anything needed. Money is no object. Any resources needed will be provided. He says charges of sedition are possible.
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7th January 2021, 01:01 PM | #92 |
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Americans just love revolutions! We celebrate the 4th of July every year. Now that was a beautiful revolution. Great people. Great patriots. They had great hair. A lot of people don't realize they were just wigs. That's what they called their political party - wigs. Because they wore wigs. A lot if people don't know that.
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7th January 2021, 01:03 PM | #93 |
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No. We should want this. The Republicans are about to start a faction, on the 20th of January, that will be gaslighting the country by saying that they were taking principled stands against Trump all along. If we have impeachment proceedings & the proceedings fail to convict, these future retroactive Trump dissidents will start out by having most of their names on the list of politicians voting against impeachment. This being on the public record is a good thing.
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We all lose if we do nothing. It's a simple as that. If impeachment fails, that failure is entirely the fault of Trump's enablers, who should be excoriated with the same tenacity and ferocity that these thugs used to create the conspiratorial distrust of the electoral process in the first place. They must be exposed to be just as complicit in all of this as Trump.
Jimmy Carter, long considered by many to be the worst President in modern history - though not to be outdone, Trump burped, "Hold my diet Coke" - said just today:
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Revoke Trump's passport. RIGHT NOW. He is an extreme flight risk.
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Also, Trump can be removed via the 25th and impeached, even after his term is over. They are not mutually exclusive.
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7th January 2021, 01:11 PM | #100 |
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I'm not confident that Trump's cabinet will invoke the 25th Amendment because the people on his cabinet who would be likely to vote for it keep resigning. Elaine Chao DOT Secretary and McConnell's wife just resigned. If there were the votes to invoke it, I doubt she would have resigned.
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7th January 2021, 01:12 PM | #102 |
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Trump not that long ago ordered the forceable removal of peaceful protestors from outside a church, which included the police assault of a TV news crew. Other politicians stood by and did nothing about that. But when Trump incites an attack on them, finally the politicians get it and start to act.
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I'm going to guess that you'd consider the 1981 Spanish coup attempt not a coup since the "guardia civiles" who came into the Spanish Congress of Deputies wasted their time shouting and shooting at the ceiling rather than legislating and carrying other government functions. Those guys passed zero laws and the actual exercise of government functions by parliamentarians was merely suspended, after all.
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The idiot who wore his work badge has been fired by the Maryland Company who employed him.
TIme to revive a song written when pretty much the same thing happened in Charlottesville: "If your're a Nazi and you know it, clap your hands If your're a Nazi and you know it, clap your hands You got spotted in a mob Now you've lost your ******* job If your're a Nazi and you know it clap your hands". |
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7th January 2021, 01:40 PM | #114 |
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Is it true that if Trump is impeached and convicted he won't get the usual pension and other ex President perks?
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I just read the 25th amendment. It's not the right way to go. It still requires a 2/3 vote of not just the Senate, but also the House. Because of the timing, it might be that he could be removed temporarily, and then the clock runs out during the "temporary" portion, although I'm not sure how to interpret the amendment to be sure.
The bigger reason not to do it is that isn't what the amendment is for. It was for cases where the President isn't dead, but has a medical problem that prevents him from carrying out his duties. I think insanity might qualify and be applicable to this case, but that's a tough sell. If he emerges from the cocoon and appears sane, the 25th isn't going to fly. If you are going to do the right thing, impeachment is it. |
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