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View Poll Results: How long will UK Prime Minister Theresa May Last?
She'll last a month at most 8 17.78%
She won't last out the week 3 6.67%
She'll last for two weeks 2 4.44%
She'll last until the next Tory Conference in October 2017 20 44.44%
She'll last until the next General Election 8 17.78%
She'll ride out the storm and serve the full term 2 4.44%
Who cares <shrug>? 2 4.44%
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Old 6th October 2017, 06:29 AM   #281
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Grant Shapps urges Tory leadership contest

Former Tory Party chairman Grant Shapps has said he believes Theresa May should face a leadership election.
Mr Shapps told the BBC he had the backing of about 30 MPs, including five former cabinet ministers, adding: "I don't think we can go on like this."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41519601
Was Ed Vaizey mentioned earlier as well?

It looks like there are a handful of dissidents ready to rock the boat, and with the Tory lead so slim and requiring some backing from religious nutters and terrorist sympathizers in Ireland, the Tory party is beginning to look a little too much like the Labour Party. Might be time to go all in and elect a true laughing stock as the leader to replace the current one.
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Apparently May's cabinet is firmly behind her, probably in the same way the Senators were behind Caesar.
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Infamy, infamy, they've all got it infamy!
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Inamy, inamy, they've all got it inamy!
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
T Y!
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This is funny.

https://wingsoverscotland.com/wp-con.../10/img393.jpg

The cartoon is titled "The Shoogly Peg". Do Sassenachs and other assorted furriners get it?
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Originally Posted by Rolfe View Post
This is funny.

https://wingsoverscotland.com/wp-con.../10/img393.jpg

The cartoon is titled "The Shoogly Peg". Do Sassenachs and other assorted furriners get it?
I don't. I once heard Andrew Neil use the term when he was mocking a pollster for predicting the hung parliament in the recent general election when everyone else was predicting a win for May. I had no idea what he meant, but the pollster turned out to be right and the various talking heads including Neil who were lined up to smirk at him turned out to be wrong.
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The full phrase (somewhat Anglicised) is "your coat's on a shoogly peg." Shoogly means shaky, often in the sense of unstable and about to come off. A shoogly peg is one that isn't firmly affixed and is likely to come off the wall any minute.

The implication of the saying is that your position in the organisation (in the widest sense - it could be anything from acceptance in a social group to job insecurity) is questionable and may soon come to an end.

The cleverness of the cartoon is in translating the letters falling off the wall into coat pegs falling off the wall, and May's coat being potentially on the next peg due to fall.
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Originally Posted by Rolfe View Post
The full phrase (somewhat Anglicised) is "your coat's on a shoogly peg." Shoogly means shaky, often in the sense of unstable and about to come off. A shoogly peg is one that isn't firmly affixed and is likely to come off the wall any minute.

The implication of the saying is that your position in the organisation (in the widest sense - it could be anything from acceptance in a social group to job insecurity) is questionable and may soon come to an end.

The cleverness of the cartoon is in translating the letters falling off the wall into coat pegs falling off the wall, and May's coat being potentially on the next peg due to fall.
Thanks. Yes, she's certainly not helped by the collapsing scenery and the metaphors they give rise to. Not her fault that the letters fell off but her misfortune that it is so appropriate.
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And the F being the first letter to come off, too....
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Amidst the looks of horror on ministers' faces, Boris' beaming visage was hilarious.
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According to the latest BBC article may said:

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Theresa May has said she is "pretty resilient" and it is not her style to "hide from a challenge" despite a mishap-strewn party conference speech.
She doesn't hide from a challenge, that's why she didn't turn up for any of the election debates.
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Originally Posted by Garrison View Post
According to the latest BBC article may said:

She doesn't hide from a challenge, that's why she didn't turn up for any of the election debates.
And never answers a question, whether or not it's challenging.

We just watched HIGNFY from 9 days ago and they were pretty savage, in a funny way. They also captured the moment when the 'F' fell, and wondered what Rudd said to Johnson to get him to stand
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Well, it's getting sad and almost cruel as each performance gets worse and worse. Today's PMQs were a disaster, then we hear Euro leaders will 'talk up her efforts' as they don't want her politically weakened any further. Keep her on life support, pretty much.

She needs to just quit before she suffers any more at a personal level. Who could advise her? Hubby?
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Amazingly enough, there is another person who has offered what seems to me to be good advice.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...t-cant-be-done
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Now that the Tory government has lost a key Commons vote with rebel conservative MP's ganging up with Labour 305 - 309, I predict this signals Theresa May's death knells.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42346192

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The government has been narrowly defeated in a key vote on its Brexit bill after a rebellion by Tory MPs.

In a blow to Prime Minister Theresa May, MPs voted to give Parliament a legal guarantee of a vote on the final Brexit deal struck with Brussels.

The government had argued this would jeopardise its chances of delivering a smooth departure from the EU.

Despite a last-minute attempt to offer concessions to rebels, an amendment to the bill was backed by 309 to 305.
Dong. Dong Dong.
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Now that the Tory government has lost a key Commons vote with rebel conservative MP's ganging up with Labour 305 - 309, I predict this signals Theresa May's death knells.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42346192



Dong. Dong Dong.
Except that both factions hate each other and Corbyn more. She has a perverse strength in here utter weakness.

I think it would be very difficult for her to lose a no confidence vote sufficiently to force an election.

She has a perfect excuse to get rid of Davis if she wants to.
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
Now that the Tory government has lost a key Commons vote with rebel conservative MP's ganging up with Labour 305 - 309, I predict this signals Theresa May's death knells.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42346192



Dong. Dong Dong.
Again it comes down to who wants to take over and whether those choices are acceptable to a large enough number of Tories. Right now, it seems they donít want to choose anyone who is made enough to want to be leader.
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Again it comes down to who wants to take over and whether those choices are acceptable to a large enough number of Tories. Right now, it seems they donít want to choose anyone who is made enough to want to be leader.
Is anyone mad (I assume this was a typo rather than a reference to the mafia, although that might also be appropriate) enough to want to grab the poisoned chalice for themselves at the moment?
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Is anyone mad (I assume this was a typo rather than a reference to the mafia, although that might also be appropriate) enough to want to grab the poisoned chalice for themselves at the moment?
Ha! Yes, it was a typo. I wouldn't be surprised if there were one or two who would be mad enough to grab it but not mad enough to think anyone would publicly support them doing it.
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Is anyone mad (I assume this was a typo rather than a reference to the mafia, although that might also be appropriate) enough to want to grab the poisoned chalice for themselves at the moment?
Boris? Boris? Boris?
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Some snippets from a Laura Kuenssberg article about Theresa May and the fallout from Dominic Green's sacking:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42434771

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As Theresa May was just ending her year in a better place than her team could have imagined....


How bad were they thinking it could be ?

Screwed up the election, held to ransom by the Protestant Taliban, humiliating defeats in the commons, stunning concessions to the EU....how is that a better place ?
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Some snippets from a Laura Kuenssberg article about Theresa May and the fallout from Dominic Green's sacking:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42434771



How bad were they thinking it could be ?

Screwed up the election, held to ransom by the Protestant Taliban, humiliating defeats in the commons, stunning concessions to the EU....how is that a better place ?
She's still PM? It seems to matter a lot to her, so maybe it was the priority.
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The National Health Service is not safe in her hands. She wants an American style insurance based system which is controversial and expensive if you have an accident or serious illness. Similarly she says she has no plans to privatise social security which does not fill me with confidence and is unfair on those people in hospital who are deemed fit to work and are refused social security.
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The country is not safe in her hands.
FTFY.
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The National Health Service is not safe in her hands. She wants an American style insurance based system which is controversial and expensive if you have an accident or serious illness.
Some evidence to support those claims would be nice.
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Some evidence to support those claims would be nice.
I don't know about May but Hunt did

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a6865306.html

And has since denied it, but didn't care enough at the time to object having his name listed as a co-author
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I don't know about May but Hunt did

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a6865306.html

And has since denied it, but didn't care enough at the time to object having his name listed as a co-author
In 2005.

And a model which sounds more like Germany, than the USA.

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We should fund patients, either through the tax system or by way of universal insurance, to purchase health care from the provider of their choice,” the book says on page 74.
Which Hunt denied writing.

You seem to using quite a wide definition of "did".

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In 2005.

And a model which sounds more like Germany, than the USA.



Which Hunt denied writing.

You seem to using quite a wide definition of "did".
Hunt also famously hid in a bush to avoid questions about the News of the World and his links to Murdoch, so he seems to have an elastic idea of integrity.

If you are happy to have yourself listed as a coauthor of a book, it's reasonable to assume that you agree with what's written in that book.
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If you are happy to have yourself listed as a coauthor of a book, it's reasonable to assume that you agree with what's written in that book.
Which wasn't an American style healthcare system.
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Hunt also famously hid in a bush to avoid questions about the News of the World and his links to Murdoch, so he seems to have an elastic idea of integrity.
Character assassination.

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The book is a 100-page policy proscription, really more of a really long pamphlet.

It is collection of various writings and thoughts. One cannot presume that every word written is zealously adhered to by all of the some 2-dozen contributors. Just like the parties themselves, not every MP of every party is irrevocably tied to every policy plank of the overall platform.

Then there's the fact the book doesn't appear to read to me as an outright policy advocacy, but more of a snapshot of the state of the discussion within the (lower case "c") conservative movement. There's a fair amount of "on the one hand...on the other hand" in discussing various issues, so naturally makes for a quote-miner's paradise.
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Theresa May is now being blamed for the overstretched National Health Service which might affect her future, though I think Jeremy Hunt is more at fault. There seems to be a problem for the future in the recruitment of doctors and nurses and midwives. I suppose it's not a problem for the middle and upper classes with creeping privatisation, rather like British Rail was privatised, subsidised by the taxpayer

Personally, I think it was not a good businesslike move to close the convalescent homes and community hospitals in the past. The fact is the hospital factories are overstretched with no beds and no resources. The mentally ill were supposed to be treated by 'care in the community' which means sleeping rough and using food banks.

I think it could be a method to force everybody who needs a hip replacement or knee operation or chronic illness to go private. Even Prince Charles or Prince William used NHS hospitals when they had accidents.

I first became aware of problems in the NHS about ten years ago when my father broke three ribs in an accident. He was discharged from the casualty department because he was not seen within four hours and sent home where he could not go to the toilet because of his condition. It was only because one of my brothers is a doctor that it was sorted out with one of his colleagues, and my father was admitted to hospital.

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Theresa May is now being blamed for the overstretched National Health Service which might affect her future, though I think Jeremy Hunt is more at fault. There seems to be a problem for the future in the recruitment of doctors and nurses and midwives. I suppose it's not a problem for the middle and upper classes with creeping privatisation, rather like British Rail was privatised, subsidised by the taxpayer

Personally, I think it was not a good businesslike move to close the convalescent homes and community hospitals in the past. The fact is the hospital factories are overstretched with no beds and no resources. The mentally ill were supposed to be treated by 'care in the community' which means sleeping rough and using food banks.

I think it could be a method to force everybody who needs a hip replacement or knee operation or chronic illness to go private. Even Prince Charles or Prince William used NHS hospitals when they had accidents.

I first became aware of problems in the NHS about ten years ago when my father broke three ribs in an accident. He was discharged from the casualty department because he was not seen within four hours and sent home where he could not go to the toilet because of his condition. It was only because one of my brothers is a doctor that it was sorted out with one of his colleagues, and my father was admitted to hospital.
May can fire Hunt. She could have set her priorities as being fixing the NHS. So you are being far too generous to her.
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Hunt refused to be moved and got Adult Social care added to his 'portfolio'

She can't fire him as it would upset the 'Brexit Balance' of her Cabinet.

She's lost control.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Hunt refused to be moved and got Adult Social care added to his 'portfolio'

She can't fire him as it would upset the 'Brexit Balance' of her Cabinet.

She's lost control.
But I thought she was strong and stable?

If you are hamstrung by talentless nonentities like Hunt you are stuffed.

May could have demonstrated her power by firing whoever she wanted - she'd still be less unpopular amongst the fractions of the Tory party then any replacement.

She lacks moral fibre.
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Originally Posted by jimbob View Post
But I thought she was strong and stable?

If you are hamstrung by talentless nonentities like Hunt you are stuffed.

May could have demonstrated her power by firing whoever she wanted - she'd still be less unpopular amongst the fractions of the Tory party then any replacement.

She lacks moral fibre she is determined above all things - including public humiliation - to keep her job.
ftfy Or, just possibly, she fears the alternatives more than muddling along as a total lame-duck PM, which amounts to much the same thing I suppose.
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Well today I had people knocking at my door canvassing for Labour in the upcoming May elections. It would appear they're throwing people at taking the Tory London boroughs (the person I spoke to was a councillor shipped in from Rotherham to do the canvasing), as three months before the election is quite early to be calling.

So I thought I'd bump this thread rather than start a local elections thread, not that I think the possible looming cull of Tory councillors will end May's PMship but it may add to the overall sense of decay around the government.
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Originally Posted by Mid View Post
Well today I had people knocking at my door canvassing for Labour in the upcoming May elections. It would appear they're throwing people at taking the Tory London boroughs (the person I spoke to was a councillor shipped in from Rotherham to do the canvasing), as three months before the election is quite early to be calling.

So I thought I'd bump this thread rather than start a local elections thread, not that I think the possible looming cull of Tory councillors will end May's PMship but it may add to the overall sense of decay around the government.
Waterpistol on a drowning man?
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Waterpistol on a drowning man?
Maybe, but I think she's going to limp on for some time to come
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Originally Posted by Mid View Post
Maybe, but I think she's going to limp on for some time to come
Indeed:

Originally Posted by jimbob View Post
But I thought she was strong and stable?

If you are hamstrung by talentless nonentities like Hunt you are stuffed.

May could have demonstrated her power by firing whoever she wanted - she'd still be less unpopular amongst the fractions of the Tory party then any replacement.

She lacks moral fibre.

I was commenting on "the sense of decay".
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