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Old 13th October 2021, 03:51 PM   #2521
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Originally Posted by KDLarsen View Post
Infuriatingly, it appears that some of Frost's posturing and grandstanding is working, with reports coming out that the EU will propose scrapping up to 50% of the customs checks.
Trouble with the EU is it does not understand there are times when you have to use "Tough Love" and let the other party fully feel the consquences of their stupidity.
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Old 13th October 2021, 11:29 PM   #2522
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Don't worry. Those "concessions" have such large conditions attached that are mostly things that GB agreed to anyway, there are no problems...

BTW: One of main conditions is country of origin labeling.
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Old 14th October 2021, 12:42 AM   #2523
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Originally Posted by Klimax View Post
Don't worry. Those "concessions" have such large conditions attached that are mostly things that GB agreed to anyway, there are no problems...

BTW: One of main conditions is country of origin labeling.
....and I'm sure that the craven UK media is completely overblowing the scale of the concessions in order to support the UK government.

For the last 5 years, according to the UK media, the EU has been bowing to, or about to bow to, the UK's will and yet here we are with a Brexit deal which is apparently so skewed towards the EU that we're forced to renege on it.
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Old 14th October 2021, 03:11 AM   #2524
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Shoppers can be reassured ministers are doing "absolutely everything we can" to fix supply chain issues in the UK, Chancellor Rishi Sunak has said.

In recent days, several retailers have warned of potential shortages during the Christmas shopping season.
Speaking to the BBC at the end of G7 meetings in Washington, Mr Sunak blamed global factors for delays seen at ports such as Felixstowe.
Mr Sunak said: "I'm confident there'll be a good amount of Christmas presents available for everyone to buy."

His comments came after a container logjam at ports, including Felixstowe, and a shortage of HGV lorry drivers has sparked concerns among businesses, ahead of the most important period of the year for retail spending.
On Wednesday, the UK's largest commercial port said the supply chain crisis has caused a logjam of shipping containers.
The Port of Felixstowe, which handles 36% of the UK's freight container traffic, blamed the busy pre-Christmas period and haulage shortages.
Meanwhile, shipping giant Maersk told the BBC it was rerouting some of its biggest ships away from the port.

In the BBC interview, Mr Sunak largely focused on the situation for industry in the UK - and he said he completely rejected the assertion of the head of UK Steel that the government had created a "hostile environment" for industrial investment and levelling up.

But when asked if he, as chancellor, was prepared to accept that high gas prices would put some heavy industry out of business he said he had to make sure taxpayers' money was protected and that "it's not the government's job to come in and start managing the price of every individual product".
Mr Sunak said the government would work constructively with businesses after Prime Minister Boris Johnson blamed shortages on UK firms "mainlining" migrant labour, pointing to the appointment of the former Tesco boss Sir Dave Lewis as a supply chain tsar.
However, the chancellor also said "everyone" including Mr Johnson accepts that increasing wages without increasing productivity would be inflationary.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58907306
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Old 14th October 2021, 03:14 AM   #2525
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After the EU set out its plans on Wednesday, the UK said it would study the detail and the next step should involve rapid and intensive talks to see if a solution could be found.
But disagreements could still remain, including over the role of the European Court of Justice - the EU's highest court - in Northern Ireland.

Both sides previously agreed that the ECJ can police matters of EU law in Northern Ireland, as Northern Ireland will be staying in the EU's single market for goods.
So, for example if there was a dispute around complying with applicable EU law, the EU could take the UK to the ECJ.
But the UK's Brexit minister Lord Frost previously said he wants the ECJ's role to be removed.

Mr Vale de Almeida said the EU had gone to the limits of what it could offer.
Asked about the ECJ issue on Newsnight, Mr Vale de Almeida - who is Portuguese - said: "There is no single market without the European Court of Justice.
"It's the referee of the single market.
"So if Northern Ireland wants to have access to single market for goods... and at same time have access to the British market, it's a unique position in the world... there has to be a European Court of Justice. One does not go without the other."

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Old 14th October 2021, 03:24 AM   #2526
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Outside of streamlining customs processing, there is nothing additional that can be done to make the fact that NI wishes to be simultaneously in and out of the customs union any easier. The EU should simply repeat, ad naseum, that if NI wants in the customs union, it must behave as all others are required to do, no special favors. If it does not, hard border with Ireland. UK/NI must make the hard choice, and live with it.
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Old 14th October 2021, 04:18 AM   #2527
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Supply chain issues mean that the price of chicken is set to rise significantly in the UK

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The UK's largest poultry seller has warned that the price of chicken is set to rise because of supply chain problems.

The chief executive of 2 Sisters Food Group, Ronald Kers, said that "in reality food is too cheap".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58895250

...and in case anyone claims it's nothing to do with Brexit....

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Mr Kers told the BBC's Today programme that the company has had to cope with additional costs because of Brexit, Covid, labour shortages and logistics issues.
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Old 14th October 2021, 05:16 AM   #2528
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Scare mongering - I mean who buys their chicken from Aldi or Asda or the Co-op or Lidl or Marks & Spencer or Morrison's or Sainsbury's or Tesco or Waitrose? Surely you get it from that nice little farm shop, where they are hand reared on a diet of organic liquorice and beetles flown in from Peru?
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Old 14th October 2021, 06:32 AM   #2529
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
Scare mongering - I mean who buys their chicken from Aldi or Asda or the Co-op or Lidl or Marks & Spencer or Morrison's or Sainsbury's or Tesco or Waitrose? Surely you get it from that nice little farm shop, where they are hand reared on a diet of organic liquorice and beetles flown in from Peru?
It would not be a concern chickens dying and rotting in sheds, piled high in unrefrigerated lorries for weeks on end if only the government were willing to help out the hard working men and women in the chicken supply chain by letting them trim off the green and maggoty bits and give them a quick chlorine bath before sticking it on the shelf along with a brand new 'EU free' Great British Safety Mark.

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Originally Posted by Hlafordlaes View Post
Outside of streamlining customs processing, there is nothing additional that can be done to make the fact that NI wishes to be simultaneously in and out of the customs union any easier. The EU should simply repeat, ad naseum, that if NI wants in the customs union, it must behave as all others are required to do, no special favors. If it does not, hard border with Ireland. UK/NI must make the hard choice, and live with it.
Technically Norn Iron (or at least the DUPpers) want to be inside, outside and adjacent to, the EU.
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Of the approximately 300 applicants for the emergence, temporary, not--at-all desperation, visa for HGV drivers the UKGov has managed to process "approximately twenty". The government hopes to keep the processing time down to three weeks.
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There are 27 countries in which EU workers are free to live and work without any hassle whatsoever. Why would any of them even want to apply for a limited time visa to come to this one, especially if the only thanks they're likely to get is being spat at in the street by ignorant bigots.
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There are 27 countries in which EU workers are free to live and work without any hassle whatsoever. Why would any of them even want to apply for a limited time visa to come to this one, especially if the only thanks they're likely to get is being spat at in the street by ignorant bigots.
Precisely.
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Rt Hon Grant Shapps MP tweeted

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We plan to temporarily extend cabotage rights in the UK so foreign hauliers can make unlimited journeys for 2 weeks whilst here It'll mean 1000s more deliveries and comes in addition to the 24 steps we've already taken to help industry tackle the global lorry driver shortage.
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We plan to temporarily extend cabotage rights in the UK so foreign hauliers can make unlimited journeys for 2 weeks whilst here It'll mean 1000s more deliveries and comes in addition to the 24 steps we've already taken to help industry tackle the global lorry driver shortage.
Assuming anyone wants to work in the UK.....
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Up to 800 pork butchers will be eligible to apply for a six month visa until the end of the year. Only allowed in if they speak fluent English it was announced today.

So far less than 30 drivers have visas.
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Up to 800 pork butchers will be eligible to apply for a six month visa until the end of the year. Only allowed in if they speak fluent English it was announced today.

So far less than 30 drivers have visas.
For some reason I’m reminded of a tramp in Cambridge who would shout abuse at people, then suddenly switch to being friendly “go on, help me out, be a mate”, then switch back to being abusive.

It wasn’t a particularly successful way to beg.
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Curious.
UKGov has (apparently) provided its proposals for changes to the Northern Irish Protocol to the EU,
This is probably true, I suspect the EU would have mentioned if this was another UKGov lie.
And yet the BoJo regime has not made these details, regarding the supposed relations between one bit of the UK and another bit, public to the citizens of the UK.

I wonder what they're hiding this time?
It must be more that "taking back control" that UKians were promised.
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Old 15th October 2021, 12:50 AM   #2539
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Rt Hon Grant Shapps MP tweeted

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We plan to temporarily extend cabotage rights in the UK so foreign hauliers can make unlimited journeys for 2 weeks whilst here It'll mean 1000s more deliveries and comes in addition to the 24 steps we've already taken to help industry tackle the global lorry driver shortage.
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Assuming anyone wants to work in the UK.....
I'm not sure that there would be so much of a problem here, AIUI it's not a visa to come and work exclusively in the UK but rather permission to make unlimited deliveries in a two week period if EU drivers are already here.

That said, either way someone is going to get shafted - not least because it could be months before anything actually happens.

If EU drivers decline the UK's offer then UK consumers will continue to suffer shortages. If they accept the offer then UK hauliers could lose business, driving more HGV drivers out of the industry.

As usual the UK government is flailing around ineffectually proposing "quick fix" solutions to generate positive headlines instead of actually tackling the underlying issues.
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I'm not sure that there would be so much of a problem here, AIUI it's not a visa to come and work exclusively in the UK but rather permission to make unlimited deliveries in a two week period if EU drivers are already here.

That said, either way someone is going to get shafted - not least because it could be months before anything actually happens.

If EU drivers decline the UK's offer then UK consumers will continue to suffer shortages. If they accept the offer then UK hauliers could lose business, driving more HGV drivers out of the industry.

As usual the UK government is flailing around ineffectually proposing "quick fix" solutions to generate positive headlines instead of actually tackling the underlying issues.
This morning on R4 there was opposition to this as it encourages EU drivers earning €5 an hour, who sleep in their cabs driving beat up trucks. It also goes against the Government's objectives to raise pay and standards in the sector. Cabotage was stopped when we left the EU. It was an early measure taken by the government who consider it undesirable. Shapps defended the decision saying these drivers are out there anyway so why don't we make use of them.
Excuse me, I am off to see if I can get a shag off a junkie for a £5
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Long distance drivers already sleep in their trucks.
Why do you think they will only be on €5 an hour or that their units are 'beat up'?
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Long distance drivers already sleep in their trucks.
Why do you think they will only be on €5 an hour or that their units are 'beat up'?
It was the view of the Truckers union, a driver from Holland who had been on R4 before and I recall an employer. Shapps didn't seem to challenge it either. Lots of talk of Lithuanian drivers. Lithuania appears to be the new Poland.
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"I predicted there would be these problems " Former Brexit Secretary David Davis MP tells Mark Carruthers on BBC 'The View'

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https://twitter.com/bbctheview/statu...72719261229058

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"There will be no downside to Brexit, only a considerable upside" - David Davis MP, October 2016.
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“Men will be proud to say I am European.
We hope to see a Europe where men of every country will think as much of being a European as belonging to their native land.
We hope that wherever they go in the European Continent, they will truly feel here I am at home”
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Kent’s burnt-out electricity cable will take two more years to get back to full service

One of Britain’s most important electricity import cables will not return to full service for another two years after a fire forced it to shut, compounding the UK’s energy woes ahead of a looming winter crunch.
The blaze at the Sellindge converter station in Kent forced a shutdown of the high voltage cable which brings electricity from France to the UK last month as energy markets rocketed to all-time highs amid global energy supply difficulties.

National Grid, which owns the 2,000 megawatt cable, expects half of its capacity to return to service on Wednesday, but said “extensive work” would be needed to bring the power link back to full service.
The FTSE 100 energy company hopes to bring another 500MW of capacity back to service between October 2022 and May 2023, meaning the cable will be running at three-quarters of its capacity through that winter.
The cable, known as the IFA Interconnector, will finally return to full service following further work which National Grid hopes to complete by October 2023.

https://www.theguardian.com/business...o-full-service
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“Men will be proud to say I am European.
We hope to see a Europe where men of every country will think as much of being a European as belonging to their native land.
We hope that wherever they go in the European Continent, they will truly feel here I am at home”
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In line with this, it has always seemed strange to me that proud nationalists who are eurocentric in terms of ethnicity would not base that pride on the giant shoulders they stand on, most of which belong to science, and which as a whole represent the long, hard struggle to make Europe the group of modern and advanced societies they are. Instead, it's rogues and demagogues in the pay of those who have so often opposed this long march to modernity. Power of advertising, I guess.
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Kent’s burnt-out electricity cable will take two more years to get back to full service

One of Britain’s most important electricity import cables will not return to full service for another two years after a fire forced it to shut, compounding the UK’s energy woes ahead of a looming winter crunch.
The blaze at the Sellindge converter station in Kent forced a shutdown of the high voltage cable which brings electricity from France to the UK last month as energy markets rocketed to all-time highs amid global energy supply difficulties.

National Grid, which owns the 2,000 megawatt cable, expects half of its capacity to return to service on Wednesday, but said “extensive work” would be needed to bring the power link back to full service.
The FTSE 100 energy company hopes to bring another 500MW of capacity back to service between October 2022 and May 2023, meaning the cable will be running at three-quarters of its capacity through that winter.
The cable, known as the IFA Interconnector, will finally return to full service following further work which National Grid hopes to complete by October 2023.

https://www.theguardian.com/business...o-full-service
Has the cause of the fire been announced? Or is it still "under investigation"?
A quick search shows no announcement on that part.
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