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Old 11th October 2021, 07:51 PM   #521
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Originally Posted by zorro99 View Post
Allen West, Republican running for governor of Texas, hospitalized with covid-19
Rachel Pannett1:56 a.m. EDT

Allen West, a tea party firebrand who is seeking the Republican nomination in the Texas gubernatorial race, is in the hospital after testing positive for the coronavirus.

West, a former Republican congressman from Florida, is unvaccinated. His diagnosis Saturday came days after he attended a crowded political fundraiser at a yacht club in Seabrook.

From his hospital bed, he issued a string of tweets attacking vaccine mandates and promoting controversial treatments, vowing that if elected, he would “vehemently crush anyone forcing vaccine mandates” in Texas.

Our bodies are our last sanctuary of liberty and freedom, I will defend that for everyone,” he wrote.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...ican-governor/
Put it on his tombstone.
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Old 12th October 2021, 04:59 AM   #522
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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander View Post
Put it on his tombstone.

Here lies the body of Allen West,
Who died while making a COVID protest.
Against vaccines he put up a fight,
But he's just as dead as if he'd been right.
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Old 12th October 2021, 05:40 AM   #523
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He was released from the hospital after receiving monoclonal antibody therapy.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/11/polit...ace/index.html
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Old 12th October 2021, 06:56 AM   #524
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Originally Posted by Blue Mountain View Post
Here lies the body of Allen West,
Who died while making a COVID protest.
Against vaccines he put up a fight,
But he's just as dead as if he'd been right.
Double
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Old 12th October 2021, 07:41 AM   #525
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Originally Posted by slyjoe View Post
He was released from the hospital after receiving monoclonal antibody therapy.
That would be the medicine that is "not FDA approved," only having emergency use authorization. Unlike the "FDA approved" vaccines. These guys are such idiots.

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The following investigational monoclonal antibody therapies are available under FDA emergency use authorization (EUA):

Casirivimab and imdevimab, administered together (EUA issued November 21, 2020, latest update July 30, 2021)
Bamlanivimab and etesevimab, administered together (EUA issued February 9, 2021)
Sotrovimab (EUA issued May 26, 2021)
Tocilizumab (EUA issued June, 24 2021)
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Old 12th October 2021, 09:35 AM   #526
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Originally Posted by slyjoe View Post
He was released from the hospital after receiving monoclonal antibody therapy.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/11/polit...ace/index.html
Wonder how thrilled his insurance company is to fork out thousands of dollars for that treatment instead of him getting the free vaccine.
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Old 12th October 2021, 10:12 AM   #527
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Wonder how thrilled his insurance company is to fork out thousands of dollars for that treatment instead of him getting the free vaccine.
I haven't looked it up but I wonder if there's any progress on insurance companies requiring vaccines in order to pay for COVID treatment?
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Old 12th October 2021, 11:08 AM   #528
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Originally Posted by Blue Mountain View Post
Here lies the body of Allen West,
Who died while making a COVID protest.
Against vaccines he put up a fight,
But he's just as dead as if he'd been right.
I have to know...

...was the above inspired by a previous work?
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Old 12th October 2021, 01:53 PM   #529
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West made multiple arguments on social media that government should promote Covid treatments -- such as the Regeneron monoclonal antibody infusion -- over vaccination. CNN report
In other words, LET people get sick with Covid-19 but when they do, make an effective treatment available. That's MUCH preferable to PREVENTING people from getting it.

As Sgt. Joe Friday used to say:

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Old 12th October 2021, 02:19 PM   #530
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Now Abbott has banned all vaccine mandates in Texas.
God, I hate that freaking state.
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Old 12th October 2021, 02:19 PM   #531
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Texas....Almost heaven. But first you have to get Covid 19, then comes heaven.
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Old 12th October 2021, 02:24 PM   #532
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
Texas....Almost heaven. But first you have to get Covid 19, then comes heaven.
Truth.
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Old 12th October 2021, 02:28 PM   #533
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Originally Posted by Blue Mountain View Post
Here lies the body of Allen West,
Who died while making a COVID protest.
Against vaccines he put up a fight,
But he's just as dead as if he'd been right.
Here lies Allen West
Against mandates, he fought his best.
But when Covid struck
He was well and truly ******.
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Old 12th October 2021, 02:42 PM   #534
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Originally Posted by slyjoe View Post
He was released from the hospital after receiving monoclonal antibody therapy.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/11/polit...ace/index.html
That's too bad. We can still hope he has serious long haul.
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Old 12th October 2021, 04:02 PM   #535
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
Texas....Almost heaven. But first you have to get Covid 19, then comes heaven.
Before you see the light, you must DIIIIEEEEEEEEE!!
- Saint Thomas Araya, "South of Heaven"
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Old 13th October 2021, 12:08 AM   #536
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Before you see the light, you must DIIIIEEEEEEEEE!!
- Saint Thomas Araya, "South of Heaven"
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Old 13th October 2021, 02:46 AM   #537
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“Our bodies are our last sanctuary of liberty and freedom, I will defend that for everyone,” he wrote.

I’m slowly coming to believe that this stuff is less unintentional irony and more intentional trolling. “I’m gonna pwn the lib-head abortion-rights activists, Haw, haw.”


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or he is one of the strictest of the strict constitutionalists and by everyone he means white, male land owners. That explanation works too.
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Old 13th October 2021, 02:55 AM   #538
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I haven't looked it up but I wonder if there's any progress on insurance companies requiring vaccines in order to pay for COVID treatment?
I'm not sure what obligation insurance companies have to pay for any and all treatments - I'm sure it varies immensely by company, state and type of policy.

I'm guessing that insurance companies don't *have* to fork out for multi-million dollar, unproven, treatments with doubtful efficacy and that decisions about whether to authorise treatment is done both on a case-by-case basis and in accordance with general guidelines.

I'd have thought it quite rare for someone to have carte blanche to be able to have any or all treatments regardless.
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Old 13th October 2021, 06:56 AM   #539
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
Here lies Allen West
Against mandates, he fought his best.
But when Covid struck
He was well and truly ******.
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They want to die for their deity and go swiftly to heaven. Covid is just the means to that end. They don't care if they kill non-believers along the way.
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They want to die for their deity and go swiftly to heaven. Covid is just the means to that end. They don't care if they kill non-believers along the way.
That's a feature.
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Originally Posted by slyjoe View Post
That's a feature.
Even when they use a bug?


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I live right near the CDC. I'm gonna see if I can check out some smallpox and polio. Kinda like a library. Boy howdy won't that trigger the snowflakes.
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Now Abbott has banned all vaccine mandates in Texas.
God, I hate that freaking state.
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Texas....Almost heaven. But first you have to get Covid 19, then comes heaven.
Though they seem fine with forcing teachers to teach Holocaust denial.
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Though they seem fine with forcing teachers to teach Holocaust denial.
That stupidity has been rectified.

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School administrators in Texas have apologised for telling teachers that they needed to teach “opposing perspectives” about the Holocaust due to new laws aimed at curbing “critical race theory” in the classroom.

Gina Peddy, curriculum director for the Carroll Independent School District in Southlake, Texas, had reportedly warned teachers at a training meeting last Friday that they must balance books about the Nazi genocide with other books taking the opposite view.

But in a Facebook post on on Thursday, district superintendent Lane Ledbetter apologised to families and teachers affirming that “there are not two sides of the Holocaust”.
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“As we continue to work through implementation of [Texas House Bill] 3979, we also understand this bill does not require an opposing viewpoint on historical facts. As a district we will work to add clarity to our expectations for teachers and once again apologise for any hurt or confusion this has caused.”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/texas-schools-books-opposing-holocaust-b1939480.html?r=47510


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Abbott said so in a new statement on his signing of House Bill 3979, which dictates how Texas teachers can talk to their students about current events and America’s history of racism. Critical race theory refers to an academic discipline that views race as a social construct, and outlawing critical race theory in public schools has become a national Republican cause.

"House Bill 3979 is a strong move to abolish critical race theory in Texas, but more must be done," Abbott said in the statement. "The issue will be added to a special session agenda."
https://www.texastribune.org/2021/06/16/texas-critical-race-theory-legislature/

This stupid bill is all about making sure that slavery, the Confederacy, racism and the history of racism can be whitewashed or even banned (CRT).
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