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Old 13th October 2021, 03:51 PM   #2521
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Originally Posted by KDLarsen View Post
Infuriatingly, it appears that some of Frost's posturing and grandstanding is working, with reports coming out that the EU will propose scrapping up to 50% of the customs checks.
Trouble with the EU is it does not understand there are times when you have to use "Tough Love" and let the other party fully feel the consquences of their stupidity.
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Old 13th October 2021, 11:29 PM   #2522
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Don't worry. Those "concessions" have such large conditions attached that are mostly things that GB agreed to anyway, there are no problems...

BTW: One of main conditions is country of origin labeling.
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Old 14th October 2021, 12:42 AM   #2523
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Originally Posted by Klimax View Post
Don't worry. Those "concessions" have such large conditions attached that are mostly things that GB agreed to anyway, there are no problems...

BTW: One of main conditions is country of origin labeling.
....and I'm sure that the craven UK media is completely overblowing the scale of the concessions in order to support the UK government.

For the last 5 years, according to the UK media, the EU has been bowing to, or about to bow to, the UK's will and yet here we are with a Brexit deal which is apparently so skewed towards the EU that we're forced to renege on it.
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Old 14th October 2021, 03:11 AM   #2524
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Shoppers can be reassured ministers are doing "absolutely everything we can" to fix supply chain issues in the UK, Chancellor Rishi Sunak has said.

In recent days, several retailers have warned of potential shortages during the Christmas shopping season.
Speaking to the BBC at the end of G7 meetings in Washington, Mr Sunak blamed global factors for delays seen at ports such as Felixstowe.
Mr Sunak said: "I'm confident there'll be a good amount of Christmas presents available for everyone to buy."

His comments came after a container logjam at ports, including Felixstowe, and a shortage of HGV lorry drivers has sparked concerns among businesses, ahead of the most important period of the year for retail spending.
On Wednesday, the UK's largest commercial port said the supply chain crisis has caused a logjam of shipping containers.
The Port of Felixstowe, which handles 36% of the UK's freight container traffic, blamed the busy pre-Christmas period and haulage shortages.
Meanwhile, shipping giant Maersk told the BBC it was rerouting some of its biggest ships away from the port.

In the BBC interview, Mr Sunak largely focused on the situation for industry in the UK - and he said he completely rejected the assertion of the head of UK Steel that the government had created a "hostile environment" for industrial investment and levelling up.

But when asked if he, as chancellor, was prepared to accept that high gas prices would put some heavy industry out of business he said he had to make sure taxpayers' money was protected and that "it's not the government's job to come in and start managing the price of every individual product".
Mr Sunak said the government would work constructively with businesses after Prime Minister Boris Johnson blamed shortages on UK firms "mainlining" migrant labour, pointing to the appointment of the former Tesco boss Sir Dave Lewis as a supply chain tsar.
However, the chancellor also said "everyone" including Mr Johnson accepts that increasing wages without increasing productivity would be inflationary.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58907306
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Old 14th October 2021, 03:14 AM   #2525
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After the EU set out its plans on Wednesday, the UK said it would study the detail and the next step should involve rapid and intensive talks to see if a solution could be found.
But disagreements could still remain, including over the role of the European Court of Justice - the EU's highest court - in Northern Ireland.

Both sides previously agreed that the ECJ can police matters of EU law in Northern Ireland, as Northern Ireland will be staying in the EU's single market for goods.
So, for example if there was a dispute around complying with applicable EU law, the EU could take the UK to the ECJ.
But the UK's Brexit minister Lord Frost previously said he wants the ECJ's role to be removed.

Mr Vale de Almeida said the EU had gone to the limits of what it could offer.
Asked about the ECJ issue on Newsnight, Mr Vale de Almeida - who is Portuguese - said: "There is no single market without the European Court of Justice.
"It's the referee of the single market.
"So if Northern Ireland wants to have access to single market for goods... and at same time have access to the British market, it's a unique position in the world... there has to be a European Court of Justice. One does not go without the other."

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Old 14th October 2021, 03:24 AM   #2526
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Outside of streamlining customs processing, there is nothing additional that can be done to make the fact that NI wishes to be simultaneously in and out of the customs union any easier. The EU should simply repeat, ad naseum, that if NI wants in the customs union, it must behave as all others are required to do, no special favors. If it does not, hard border with Ireland. UK/NI must make the hard choice, and live with it.
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Old 14th October 2021, 04:18 AM   #2527
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Supply chain issues mean that the price of chicken is set to rise significantly in the UK

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The UK's largest poultry seller has warned that the price of chicken is set to rise because of supply chain problems.

The chief executive of 2 Sisters Food Group, Ronald Kers, said that "in reality food is too cheap".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58895250

...and in case anyone claims it's nothing to do with Brexit....

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Mr Kers told the BBC's Today programme that the company has had to cope with additional costs because of Brexit, Covid, labour shortages and logistics issues.
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Old 14th October 2021, 05:16 AM   #2528
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Scare mongering - I mean who buys their chicken from Aldi or Asda or the Co-op or Lidl or Marks & Spencer or Morrison's or Sainsbury's or Tesco or Waitrose? Surely you get it from that nice little farm shop, where they are hand reared on a diet of organic liquorice and beetles flown in from Peru?
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Old 14th October 2021, 06:32 AM   #2529
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
Scare mongering - I mean who buys their chicken from Aldi or Asda or the Co-op or Lidl or Marks & Spencer or Morrison's or Sainsbury's or Tesco or Waitrose? Surely you get it from that nice little farm shop, where they are hand reared on a diet of organic liquorice and beetles flown in from Peru?
It would not be a concern chickens dying and rotting in sheds, piled high in unrefrigerated lorries for weeks on end if only the government were willing to help out the hard working men and women in the chicken supply chain by letting them trim off the green and maggoty bits and give them a quick chlorine bath before sticking it on the shelf along with a brand new 'EU free' Great British Safety Mark.

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Old 14th October 2021, 06:41 AM   #2530
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Originally Posted by Hlafordlaes View Post
Outside of streamlining customs processing, there is nothing additional that can be done to make the fact that NI wishes to be simultaneously in and out of the customs union any easier. The EU should simply repeat, ad naseum, that if NI wants in the customs union, it must behave as all others are required to do, no special favors. If it does not, hard border with Ireland. UK/NI must make the hard choice, and live with it.
Technically Norn Iron (or at least the DUPpers) want to be inside, outside and adjacent to, the EU.
It's like the Battle of Springfield only without the giant steam powered spider.
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Of the approximately 300 applicants for the emergence, temporary, not--at-all desperation, visa for HGV drivers the UKGov has managed to process "approximately twenty". The government hopes to keep the processing time down to three weeks.
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Old 14th October 2021, 07:32 AM   #2532
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There are 27 countries in which EU workers are free to live and work without any hassle whatsoever. Why would any of them even want to apply for a limited time visa to come to this one, especially if the only thanks they're likely to get is being spat at in the street by ignorant bigots.
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Old 14th October 2021, 08:15 AM   #2533
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There are 27 countries in which EU workers are free to live and work without any hassle whatsoever. Why would any of them even want to apply for a limited time visa to come to this one, especially if the only thanks they're likely to get is being spat at in the street by ignorant bigots.
Precisely.
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Rt Hon Grant Shapps MP tweeted

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We plan to temporarily extend cabotage rights in the UK so foreign hauliers can make unlimited journeys for 2 weeks whilst here It'll mean 1000s more deliveries and comes in addition to the 24 steps we've already taken to help industry tackle the global lorry driver shortage.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
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We plan to temporarily extend cabotage rights in the UK so foreign hauliers can make unlimited journeys for 2 weeks whilst here It'll mean 1000s more deliveries and comes in addition to the 24 steps we've already taken to help industry tackle the global lorry driver shortage.
Assuming anyone wants to work in the UK.....
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Up to 800 pork butchers will be eligible to apply for a six month visa until the end of the year. Only allowed in if they speak fluent English it was announced today.

So far less than 30 drivers have visas.
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Up to 800 pork butchers will be eligible to apply for a six month visa until the end of the year. Only allowed in if they speak fluent English it was announced today.

So far less than 30 drivers have visas.
For some reason I’m reminded of a tramp in Cambridge who would shout abuse at people, then suddenly switch to being friendly “go on, help me out, be a mate”, then switch back to being abusive.

It wasn’t a particularly successful way to beg.
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Curious.
UKGov has (apparently) provided its proposals for changes to the Northern Irish Protocol to the EU,
This is probably true, I suspect the EU would have mentioned if this was another UKGov lie.
And yet the BoJo regime has not made these details, regarding the supposed relations between one bit of the UK and another bit, public to the citizens of the UK.

I wonder what they're hiding this time?
It must be more that "taking back control" that UKians were promised.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Rt Hon Grant Shapps MP tweeted

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We plan to temporarily extend cabotage rights in the UK so foreign hauliers can make unlimited journeys for 2 weeks whilst here It'll mean 1000s more deliveries and comes in addition to the 24 steps we've already taken to help industry tackle the global lorry driver shortage.
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Assuming anyone wants to work in the UK.....
I'm not sure that there would be so much of a problem here, AIUI it's not a visa to come and work exclusively in the UK but rather permission to make unlimited deliveries in a two week period if EU drivers are already here.

That said, either way someone is going to get shafted - not least because it could be months before anything actually happens.

If EU drivers decline the UK's offer then UK consumers will continue to suffer shortages. If they accept the offer then UK hauliers could lose business, driving more HGV drivers out of the industry.

As usual the UK government is flailing around ineffectually proposing "quick fix" solutions to generate positive headlines instead of actually tackling the underlying issues.
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I'm not sure that there would be so much of a problem here, AIUI it's not a visa to come and work exclusively in the UK but rather permission to make unlimited deliveries in a two week period if EU drivers are already here.

That said, either way someone is going to get shafted - not least because it could be months before anything actually happens.

If EU drivers decline the UK's offer then UK consumers will continue to suffer shortages. If they accept the offer then UK hauliers could lose business, driving more HGV drivers out of the industry.

As usual the UK government is flailing around ineffectually proposing "quick fix" solutions to generate positive headlines instead of actually tackling the underlying issues.
This morning on R4 there was opposition to this as it encourages EU drivers earning €5 an hour, who sleep in their cabs driving beat up trucks. It also goes against the Government's objectives to raise pay and standards in the sector. Cabotage was stopped when we left the EU. It was an early measure taken by the government who consider it undesirable. Shapps defended the decision saying these drivers are out there anyway so why don't we make use of them.
Excuse me, I am off to see if I can get a shag off a junkie for a £5
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Long distance drivers already sleep in their trucks.
Why do you think they will only be on €5 an hour or that their units are 'beat up'?
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Long distance drivers already sleep in their trucks.
Why do you think they will only be on €5 an hour or that their units are 'beat up'?
It was the view of the Truckers union, a driver from Holland who had been on R4 before and I recall an employer. Shapps didn't seem to challenge it either. Lots of talk of Lithuanian drivers. Lithuania appears to be the new Poland.
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"I predicted there would be these problems " Former Brexit Secretary David Davis MP tells Mark Carruthers on BBC 'The View'

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https://twitter.com/bbctheview/statu...72719261229058

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"There will be no downside to Brexit, only a considerable upside" - David Davis MP, October 2016.
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“Men will be proud to say I am European.
We hope to see a Europe where men of every country will think as much of being a European as belonging to their native land.
We hope that wherever they go in the European Continent, they will truly feel here I am at home”
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Kent’s burnt-out electricity cable will take two more years to get back to full service

One of Britain’s most important electricity import cables will not return to full service for another two years after a fire forced it to shut, compounding the UK’s energy woes ahead of a looming winter crunch.
The blaze at the Sellindge converter station in Kent forced a shutdown of the high voltage cable which brings electricity from France to the UK last month as energy markets rocketed to all-time highs amid global energy supply difficulties.

National Grid, which owns the 2,000 megawatt cable, expects half of its capacity to return to service on Wednesday, but said “extensive work” would be needed to bring the power link back to full service.
The FTSE 100 energy company hopes to bring another 500MW of capacity back to service between October 2022 and May 2023, meaning the cable will be running at three-quarters of its capacity through that winter.
The cable, known as the IFA Interconnector, will finally return to full service following further work which National Grid hopes to complete by October 2023.

https://www.theguardian.com/business...o-full-service
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“Men will be proud to say I am European.
We hope to see a Europe where men of every country will think as much of being a European as belonging to their native land.
We hope that wherever they go in the European Continent, they will truly feel here I am at home”
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In line with this, it has always seemed strange to me that proud nationalists who are eurocentric in terms of ethnicity would not base that pride on the giant shoulders they stand on, most of which belong to science, and which as a whole represent the long, hard struggle to make Europe the group of modern and advanced societies they are. Instead, it's rogues and demagogues in the pay of those who have so often opposed this long march to modernity. Power of advertising, I guess.
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Kent’s burnt-out electricity cable will take two more years to get back to full service

One of Britain’s most important electricity import cables will not return to full service for another two years after a fire forced it to shut, compounding the UK’s energy woes ahead of a looming winter crunch.
The blaze at the Sellindge converter station in Kent forced a shutdown of the high voltage cable which brings electricity from France to the UK last month as energy markets rocketed to all-time highs amid global energy supply difficulties.

National Grid, which owns the 2,000 megawatt cable, expects half of its capacity to return to service on Wednesday, but said “extensive work” would be needed to bring the power link back to full service.
The FTSE 100 energy company hopes to bring another 500MW of capacity back to service between October 2022 and May 2023, meaning the cable will be running at three-quarters of its capacity through that winter.
The cable, known as the IFA Interconnector, will finally return to full service following further work which National Grid hopes to complete by October 2023.

https://www.theguardian.com/business...o-full-service
Has the cause of the fire been announced? Or is it still "under investigation"?
A quick search shows no announcement on that part.
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So the successes so far

We now have a blue passport.
A great new deal with Australia
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So the successes so far

We now have a blue passport.
A great new deal with Australia
From the linked article:

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The two sides reached an “agreement in principle” in June, but have spent months wrangling over the legal text. Converting a 16-page draft agreement into a fully scrubbed tome both sides can sign up to has turned out to be more of a challenge than was hoped.
Who could possibly have foreseen that sorting through the nitty-gritty of a trade deal could be so difficult.

It seems that the UK has adopted it's usual approach:

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As the moment seemed to slip away, there was still hope of a surprise last-minute concession — but as the afternoon drew on, it became clear the deal wasn’t going to happen.
....crossing fingers and hoping for the best ftw
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Meanwhile, Facebook lists the advantages of investing in the EU:

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Investing in the EU offered many advantages, including access to a large consumer market, first-class universities and high-quality talent, Facebook said.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-58949867
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Old 18th October 2021, 06:47 PM   #2551
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So the question is, can the UK import enough Europeans fast enough to deal with all the problems Brexit has created?

You’d need a heart of stone not to be laughing at this point.
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Old 19th October 2021, 06:19 AM   #2552
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Old 19th October 2021, 07:39 AM   #2553
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Brexit chaos continues (or, 'When the Personal is Political').

I am still getting VAT demands from Finnish customs for my PRIVATE EYE copies. OK, so the new law says that even if you paid or ordered something pre-1 July 2021 you still have to pay VAT on incoming goods, unless the seller has paid this and they then need to declare an IOSS number.

So I duly dropped a line Private Eye about this and they replied:

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I am sorry to read that you have incurred further charges to receive your latest copy of Private Eye.

We are fully IOSS compliant, and we are paying the tax on your copies. We would advise you check with your post office who should then be able to check as each item has a reference that can be viewed re IOSS compliance.
"

So I conveyed this information to the customs guys and they replied:


If you have already paid VAT at the time of purchase to a seller with an IOSS identifier (ie a seller who is a member of a special scheme), you should have made a customs declaration stating the seller's IOSS identifier and the additional procedure code F48. In that case, you would have received a customs clearance decision which would not have levied VAT. Customs does not rectify tax rulings in situations where the IOSS has not been used on the customs declaration. This is based on Article 94 (1) (24) of the Law on VAT, which provides that the importation of the following goods is exempt: goods for which VAT is declared under the special scheme referred to in Article 133r, provided that the unique identifier at the time of lodging the import declaration. In the event that the identifier has not been notified to Customs at the latest at the time of lodging the import declaration, the importation of the goods is not tax-free and we cannot correct taxation. The system operates at EU level and the EU Commission has issued guidelines for its application. In section 3.1.3 of the instructions. it is stated that: When the IOSS VAT identification number mentioned in the customs declaration is not valid or has not been issued at all, the import system cannot be used and no VAT exemption can be granted. In that case, the customs authorities levy VAT on importation. The responsibility for presenting a valid IOSS VAT identification number lies with the seller or the electronic interface. In such a situation, the customer must apply to the seller for a refund of the overpaid Alvi. You can present to the seller for clarification your customs decision that you have had to pay customs duties on the consignment in question upon importation. The seller will return the Alvi share to you. By joining the special scheme, sellers have undertaken to comply with these regulations. Here is more information on the subject and a link to the Commission's guide: https:


All over €2.90, which they have already ripped me off once.

Now I know how Munch felt.
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Old 19th October 2021, 01:08 PM   #2554
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
Brexit chaos continues (or, 'When the Personal is Political').

I am still getting VAT demands from Finnish customs for my PRIVATE EYE copies. OK, so the new law says that even if you paid or ordered something pre-1 July 2021 you still have to pay VAT on incoming goods, unless the seller has paid this and they then need to declare an IOSS number.
What 'new law'? No Finnish laws on imports have changed at all.
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Old 19th October 2021, 01:51 PM   #2555
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
What 'new law'? No Finnish laws on imports have changed at all.
The UK is no longer in the EU and thus VAT becomes payable on magazine and newspaper subscriptions as of 1 July 2021.

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Subscriptions of newspapers and magazines and books
Please note: Change as of 1 July
From 1 July 2021, all parcels arriving from outside the EU must be declared, and VAT has to be paid for them. Read more: Everything must be declared

Did you order or buy a book, newspaper or magazine from abroad? The country where the book, newspaper or magazine is sent from determines whether your purchase has to be declared to Customs and import taxes paid.

You don’t have to declare electronic books, newspapers and magazines that you read online. However, if the books, newspapers or magazines are delivered in a physical format (e.g. in CD format), they must be declared.
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Hence, Private Eye was encouraging EU subscribers to take out an early subscription to avoid the increased charges.
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Old 19th October 2021, 03:07 PM   #2556
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
The UK is no longer in the EU and thus VAT becomes payable on magazine and newspaper subscriptions as of 1 July 2021.

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Hence, Private Eye was encouraging EU subscribers to take out an early subscription to avoid the increased charges.
Yes, but that isn't a 'new' law. It's just the existing law coming in to effect on imports from the UK.
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Old 20th October 2021, 04:50 AM   #2557
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Yes, but that isn't a 'new' law. It's just the existing law coming in to effect on imports from the UK.
It is a Brexit issue.

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I paid £94 in charges on a £265 order' – delivery rules have changed post-Brexit

What you'll now pay to receive goods from the EU depends on the cost of what you've ordered and the firm you're buying from. In some cases you may find when a courier delivers your parcel it asks you to pay import VAT, customs duty and a handling fee too before handing it over. For more on what Brexit means for consumers, see our 23 Brexit Need-to-Knows.p


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"I received an alert from a courier firm to say I needed to pay £93.83 to receive a package I had ordered from France. This included VAT, duty and other fees. They haven't provided an option to return to sender... I placed the order for £265 and wasn't aware (stupidly) that I would be incurring a charge." Rachel, via email

@MartinSLewis I've been charged £36.65 'government charges' and £11.50 'brokerage charges' by @UPSHelp on a parcel from Italy (total value of goods £187). They wouldn't deliver unless paid. Is this now a common theme on parcels arriving from Europe, post-Brexit? Many thanks.
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In addition, there never used to be VAT on magazine subscriptions but came into force 1 July 2021.

We were talking about post-Brexit VAT, not imports in general. That is why magazines like Private Eye had special offers to beat this deadline, although they may have misinterpreted the rules.
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Old 20th October 2021, 05:47 AM   #2558
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
It is a Brexit issue.

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In addition, there never used to be VAT on magazine subscriptions but came into force 1 July 2021.

We were talking about post-Brexit VAT, not imports in general. That is why magazines like Private Eye had special offers to beat this deadline, although they may have misinterpreted the rules.
I don't think they had misinterpretated the rules. These are very clear.
Anything entering after the 1 july date had to have VAT added.
The date of the start of the subscription has nothing to do with this. Or else people can take a say 50 years subscription and they would only have to pay VAT starting in 2071. Which is not reasonable.

What I think what happened is that subscriptions like 'Private Eye', knew about the rules and their impact, but banked on the misinterpretations by their subscribers and used that to nab a few extra subscriptions. Banking on a kind of FOMO, as it were.

Bit of a dick move by them, if you ask my opinion. And one where they would absolutely lose my subscription for ever if they would ever do a thing like that to me.
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Old 20th October 2021, 07:42 AM   #2559
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Vat is due on magazines sold in the EU. Businesses selling all over the EU can use a simplified system where they pay all the VAT for the EU in one state rather than in each separate one.
While we were in the EU Private Eye could pay all the vat on all its EU sales in the UK where conveniently the vat on magazines was 0%.

Now we have left either VAT is paid by the recipient in import at the appropriate rate for the country or Private Eye could readopt the simplified system but in another EU state, albeit most countries will charge VAT on magazines.

Where money is collected up front eg on a subscription that normally creates a tax point that sets the VAT rate, however that would only affect UK VAT. Once we left the EU things changed for EU recipients of goods from the UK and forestalling (paying in advance to take advantage of a law change) probably wouldn't save you a tax bill.
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Old 20th October 2021, 05:17 PM   #2560
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The UK has agreed a free trade deal with New Zealand which it says will benefit consumers and businesses.

Prime Minister Boris Johnson said the deal will cut costs for exporters and open up New Zealand's job market to UK professionals.

The government hopes it is a step towards joining a trade club with the likes of Canada and Japan.
But the New Zealand deal itself is unlikely to boost UK growth, according to the government's own estimates.
Labour and the National Farmers Union (NFU) said that it could hurt UK farmers and lower food standards.
Overall, only a tiny proportion of UK trade is done with New Zealand, less than 0.2%.

Mr Johnson and New Zealand's Prime Minister, Jacinda Ardern, agreed the pact in a video call on Wednesday after 16 months of negotiations.
Tariffs will be removed on UK goods including clothing, ships and bulldozers, and on New Zealand goods including wine, honey and kiwi fruits.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58988711
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