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Old 11th February 2021, 04:17 AM   #201
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
I wonder how many people have summer holidays at the top of their list of things to be worried about.
A surprisingly large number if last summer is anything to go by.

If you've largely managed to weather the economic uncertainty by not being furloughed and if you've been working from home and home-schooling your children I can see how the idea of a summer holiday is enticing.

A friend has already booked three short breaks over the summer, another is very much looking forward to getting away with her husband and children.
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Old 11th February 2021, 04:20 AM   #202
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Johnson made people spend a lot of money for Christmas that never happened. I paid for a £300 flight which I had to cancel by rearranging the date which would have cost less that the Christmas high season, bought loads of presents still in the cupboard. People bought loads of foods, decorations, party stuff, only for it all to be called off at the last minute. 'Boris' has clearly been told to not commit himself this time. Probably as advised by Carrie.

Imagine if this was the President and the First Lady instead of the PM that we all traditionally hate after the first term in office?
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Old 11th February 2021, 04:21 AM   #203
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
I wonder how many people have summer holidays at the top of their list of things to be worried about.
I did rearrange my flight to Easter. Doesn't look like that will happen now, either.
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Old 11th February 2021, 04:22 AM   #204
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A friend has already booked three short breaks over the summer, another is very much looking forward to getting away with her husband and children.
Did you mistype "from"?
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Old 11th February 2021, 04:30 AM   #205
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Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer View Post
Did you mistype "from"?


Shockingly enough, no. Despite being on top of each other in a two bedroom cottage with both parents working from home, both children being home-schooled and a boisterous cocker spaniel they genuinely seem to be having a great time.

It's bewildering.
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Nigel Farage tweets

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10 years in prison for going on holiday?

The government has gone too far this time.

Power without accountability.
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Old 11th February 2021, 07:08 AM   #207
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
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10 years in prison for going on holiday?

The government has gone too far this time.

Power without accountability.
Except that it isn't 10 years in prison for going on holiday, it's 10 years in prison for risking the lives of thousands of people by deliberately failing to quarantine properly after coming into to the UK from one of the 33 most dangerous countries.
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Old 11th February 2021, 07:23 AM   #208
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Looks like the anticipated vaccine supply issues are starting to hit.

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A mass vaccination centre in Rhondda will temporarily close "due to supply issues", according to the local MP.

Chris Bryant said in a social media video that it was because of a lack of supply of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine.

Other mass vaccination centres in Wales are also expected to reduce their operating hours, in response to a planned reduction in supplies of the AstraZeneca jab.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-56025767

Maybe I was a little to hasty in congratulating the government in not ******* things up completely
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Old 11th February 2021, 09:51 AM   #209
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A new system for booking a place in the UK's hotel quarantine scheme was taken offline minutes after it launched.

The portal, set up as part of efforts to control new Covid variants entering, was removed temporarily for maintenance "to correct a minor technical error".


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56028791
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Old 11th February 2021, 12:51 PM   #210
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
Prove it. Show me where Laura Kuennsberg or anyone at the BBC, Murdoch/Barclay Brothers press has done any probing at all.

Aside from a handful of GUARDIAN columnists labelled 'Opinion', there has been no meaningful denouncement of this shambles of a man. Yes, he almost certainly does suffer from a WHO-list defined disease. Why is this the elephant in the room, after all, 'it's not his fault'? Nobody at all hesitates to mock Trump. Why is this man ring-fenced? And why were you huffing and puffing yourself? Are we supposed to pretend 'The Emperor is not Naked'?
Just spotted this one...

I said "us", as in posts on this forum, as your original point I was responding to was about this forum, where many folk HAVE been consistently critical of Johnson.

Some of us have also been critical of the likes of Kuensberg, Nick Robinson and Evan Davies for letting ministers off the hook.

As for the Murdoch/Barclay meejah - well, of course they don't criticise Johnson, as he's their puppet. When did anyone here claim otherwise? I certainly haven't.

Who here (as that was what we were talking about) has "let Johnson off the hook"?

And I haven't got a ******* clue what " huffing and puffing yourself" is supposed to mean
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Old 11th February 2021, 01:24 PM   #211
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I've provisionally booked a week's trail ride in the western Highlands for early August. I was offered a switch to June and normally I'd have taken that but I said no, let's give the virus a bit more time to be seen off. It's out in the open air all day, and distanced as everyone is riding a horse, and accommodation is B&B in small hotels and guest houses. It should be safe if the virus is well suppressed. However I'm concerned the rides may not be viable without foreign holidaymakers who seem to make up most of the custom. Maybe there will be more domestic bookings this year though, or maybe they'll be able to consolidate confirmed bookings into fewer rides. I've said I'll take any date that's actually going to happen.

The problem is that there is no way they should be stopping the hotel quarantine requiremet unless and until it becomes possible to replace it with mandatory travel vaccination, and that may well not happen till next year.
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Old 11th February 2021, 01:27 PM   #212
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It was some way back in this thread, and I can't easily find it now, but someone said that a replacement for Johnson who wanted to take the credit for getting us out of this might have missed his chance, as the vaccination drive is going well and Johnson is going to take the credit for that. I'm inclined to agree. He seems to have got away with the horrendously risky ignoring of the data sheet requirements on the timing of the second dose, and it's all going quite surprisingly well.

I don't even have much of a sore arm.
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Old 11th February 2021, 01:50 PM   #213
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
Johnson made people spend a lot of money for Christmas that never happened. I paid for a £300 flight which I had to cancel by rearranging the date which would have cost less that the Christmas high season, bought loads of presents still in the cupboard. People bought loads of foods, decorations, party stuff, only for it all to be called off at the last minute. 'Boris' has clearly been told to not commit himself this time. Probably as advised by Carrie.
Really? It seemed blindingly obvious to me that regardless of what Boris was promising, leaving the house for Christmas was not a good idea, and we planned to stay home.
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Imagine if this was the President and the First Lady instead of the PM that we all traditionally hate after the first term in office?
No idea what your point is there.
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Really? It seemed blindingly obvious to me that regardless of what Boris was promising, leaving the house for Christmas was not a good idea, and we planned to stay home.


No idea what your point is there.
I cancelled based on my own observations. Johnson didn't do a U-turn until almost a week later.
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I made Christmas and New Year plans based on only doing what was allowed in December before any relaxations at all were implemented. Thanks to the Extended Household rule I was able to have a great time and didn't have to spend the time alone. But there is no way I would have done anything other than pair up with one other friend who also lives alone, in the knowledge that we were both being very careful and seeing absolutely nobody else.
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Well, my wife's Driving Instructor's practical test which was booked for Feb 22nd has just been rescheduled to the end of March. That (assuming it goes ahead) is almost exactly a year since her original date, and since the training she took in preparation for it. It's also a year since she took & passed the hazzard awareness & theory tests which have a two year expiry date if you don't pass the practical, an expiry that hasn't been extended.

On a related subject my Driving license photocard is about to expire, according to the renewal as I don't currently have a passport (I haven't been abroad for a few years & completely forgot to renew it) I can't renew it online and have to go into a Post Office & since it involves having a photo taken, remove my mask.
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
Johnson made people spend a lot of money for Christmas that never happened. I paid for a £300 flight which I had to cancel by rearranging the date which would have cost less that the Christmas high season, bought loads of presents still in the cupboard. People bought loads of foods, decorations, party stuff, only for it all to be called off at the last minute. 'Boris' has clearly been told to not commit himself this time. Probably as advised by Carrie.
This is just silly. No one should take a blind bit of notice about Johnson's blusteringly unrealistic forecasts. He didn't make everyone do anything of the sort.

Basically, if Johnson says, "Oh, it will all blow over in a couple of weeks!" DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES assume that is the greenlight to go booking flights and cruises and dinner parties, etc...
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The UK has decided to ignore the hard-learned lessons from Australia and do the hotel-based quarantine our way.

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In Australia, people staying in quarantine hotels are not allowed to leave their rooms.

This follows incidents in the early months of the pandemic when security guards and hotel guests were seen to mingle, and were blamed for spreading the virus.

One of these outbreaks led to a surge in cases that forced Melbourne into a five-month lockdown.

The view is that hotel staff should not be put at risk by escorting people outside.

However, the UK's rules state that security staff can "accompany any of the arrived individuals to access outside space should they need to smoke or get fresh air".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56030384

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In the state of Victoria, hotel staff now have to be equipped with a type of mask known as an N95, roughly equivalent to what is called an FFP2 in the UK.

By contrast, the document issued to UK hotels spells out that standard surgical masks must be worn - these are thinner and are thought to be less effective at blocking aerosols.
It's wilful endangerment !
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UK GDP shrank by 9.9% but it's OK, we don't have a problem with our economy, we just calculate GDP differently

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The UK economy - measured in GDP - shrank by a record 9.9% last year as coronavirus restrictions hit output, according to the Office for National Statistics (ONS).

But Sunak insists "we calculate GDP in a different way to pretty much everybody else".

He adds: "And if you either correct for that difference or look at it in a way that's more comfortable with nominal GDP what you find... is that our performance is very much in line and comparable to other countries and in fact, it may be on a margin better than places like Canada, Germany, Italy and Spain."
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It might be worth pointing out that the UK deaths are closer to 150,000 than 100,000.

126,023 on the death certificate to 29-01-2021

On that day, the 28-day count was 104,371
as of 11-02-2021, it is 115,529


So the lowest possible count (not estimation) is 137,181

(115,529-104,371=11,158) plus 126,023

But we know that the England and Wales death certificates were undercounting by about 2000 per week for the first five weeks of the first peak - until the government reiterated the guidance that COVID-19 was an acceptable entry on a death certificate and didn't automatically require a coroner inquest.
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Except that it isn't 10 years in prison for going on holiday, it's 10 years in prison for risking the lives of thousands of people by deliberately failing to quarantine properly after coming into to the UK from one of the 33 most dangerous countries.

You can’t expect people to understand such subtle distinctions.
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How long and how vigorously should hr have clapped?

Is there a minimum level below which you aren't showing enough respect?

Back in the summer when the clapping for the NHS was a thing there was a bloke up our street started knocking on the doors of people that weren't coming out to join in and berating those he thought weren't showing enough enthusiasm.

I never clapped once it's ******* stupid.
Exactly. If I had been living in Bergamo in March 2020, and the medical staff were changing their shifts outside my apartment - I would probably have applauded, because that did have a point.
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UK GDP shrank by 9.9% but it's OK, we don't have a problem with our economy, we just calculate GDP differently



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-5...ost_type=share
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Well, my wife's Driving Instructor's practical test which was booked for Feb 22nd has just been rescheduled to the end of March. That (assuming it goes ahead) is almost exactly a year since her original date, and since the training she took in preparation for it. It's also a year since she took & passed the hazzard awareness & theory tests which have a two year expiry date if you don't pass the practical, an expiry that hasn't been extended.

On a related subject my Driving license photocard is about to expire, according to the renewal as I don't currently have a passport (I haven't been abroad for a few years & completely forgot to renew it) I can't renew it online and have to go into a Post Office & since it involves having a photo taken, remove my mask.
They sit you in a little booth to have it done.
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Oooooh, I'm excited

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A target date for giving all people aged over 50 in Wales their first Covid-19 vaccine will be announced in the next few days, First Minister Mark Drakeford has said.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-w...ost_type=share

My excitement is tempered somewhat by the news that supplies of the vaccine will be constrained for a while:

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Mr Drakeford said there was no indication of any further slowdown in supply of the vaccine after the next fortnight, when there will be a reduction. Supplies would then accelerate in March, he said.
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Hah. I'm currently in bed with a nasty vaccine reaction. Just bad luck, most people haven't had a problem. Better than the alternative. I'm pretty happy really.
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"Immigration officials expected to enforce a mandatory quarantine intended to protect the UK from new coronavirus variants have not been briefed on even the basics about how the system will work, little more than 48 hours before it begins, the Guardian has been told.

The Immigration Services Union (ISU), which represents many of the Home Office’s immigration officers, said that before the start on Monday of the new policy, staff had not been told if they would be expected to check for arrivals who had not properly declared their status, or when and how those obliged to quarantine would be taken to hotels."

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No surprises there, then.
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Over 30000 people have died of Covid since New Year.

That is a quarter of all Covid deaths.

No matter how Boris tries to play it, he didn't remotely do "everything he could" to stop the virus.

Over and over he ignored his scientific advisers.
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And that is the truth.
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Over 30000 people have died of Covid since New Year.

That is a quarter of all Covid deaths.

No matter how Boris tries to play it, he didn't remotely do "everything he could" to stop the virus.

Over and over he ignored his scientific advisers.
True, but he plays the character of the avuncular tousled toff so we'll let him off the hook.
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Johnson is working hard on getting positive headlines, sorry working hard on policies:

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/bo...pproach-870371

Looks like he wants to have a big celebration - perhaps we should all be having street parties, a few flyovers by Spitfires and marching bands?
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Old 13th February 2021, 08:06 AM   #234
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Johnson is working hard on getting positive headlines, sorry working hard on policies:

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/bo...pproach-870371

Looks like he wants to have a big celebration - perhaps we should all be having street parties, a few flyovers by Spitfires and marching bands?
Damn and blast experts! Don’t they know Johnson wants a couple of good headlines? This is totally unsupportive of Johnson’s efforts to control the pandemic get good headlines: https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ifted-too-soon

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Old 13th February 2021, 11:19 AM   #235
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Originally Posted by zooterkin View Post
It means nothing to me.

You would be enthusiastic if it were in Minsk or Caracas, I suspect. Huge and "illegal" street demonstrations. But it is in Vienna. Against the Corona-Regime. Stream is still going on.
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Originally Posted by zooterkin View Post
It means nothing to me.
Just to let you know at least one person got it.

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Originally Posted by Pixel42 View Post
Just to let you know at least one person got it.

Wow, that is quite an obscure reference. But I'm glad to know that he had a reason for the post and it wasn't just one of those "nobody cares" posts from people who care enough to post.
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Wow, that is quite an obscure reference. But I'm glad to know that he had a reason for the post and it wasn't just one of those "nobody cares" posts from people who care enough to post.
Obscure!? It was a culturally defining moment - it was when I knew the public must never be allowed to decide on anything - Shaddap You Face number 1, Vienna number 2!!!
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Hah. I'm currently in bed with a nasty vaccine reaction. Just bad luck, most people haven't had a problem. Better than the alternative. I'm pretty happy really.
Wishing you a speedy recovery & pleased to hear you'll be protected going forward.
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Obscure!? It was a culturally defining moment - it was when I knew the public must never be allowed to decide on anything - Shaddap You Face number 1, Vienna number 2!!!
Damn straight.

Now I'm off for a walk in the cold air.
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