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Old 17th June 2021, 07:30 AM   #361
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
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SCOTUS rules 7-2 (Justices Samuel Alito and Neil Gorsuch dissented) to keep Obamacare/The Affordable Care Act in place.
Barret and I-Like-Beer voted for?
Gee, it's almost as if they're not slaves of the party that nominated them.
True, Drunky McRapeface and the Stepford Wife voted in a way that was contrary to what Moscow Mitch and his kin would have wanted.

But lets wait and see how they rule on things like voting reform, LGBTQ rights and abortion before we start assuming they will truly function as independent thinkers.
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Old 17th June 2021, 07:32 AM   #362
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Originally Posted by Segnosaur View Post
True, Drunky McRapeface and the Stepford Wife voted in a way that was contrary to what Moscow Mitch and his kin would have wanted.

But lets wait and see how they rule on things like voting reform, LGBTQ rights and abortion before we start assuming they will truly function as independent thinkers.
We shouldn't care about the specific vote....only the quality of the argument.
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Old 17th June 2021, 07:39 AM   #363
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Originally Posted by Segnosaur View Post
True, Drunky McRapeface and the Stepford Wife voted in a way that was contrary to what Moscow Mitch and his kin would have wanted.

But lets wait and see how they rule on things like voting reform, LGBTQ rights and abortion before we start assuming they will truly function as independent thinkers.
True. At least they're not in lockstep. That's somewhat encouraging.
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Goursch and Alito seem to have the same reason for their descent dissent, that the penalty for not carrying insurance amounts to a tax.

ETA: "Descent" good one Joe you big stupid head.
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
If senators didn't like what McConnell was doing, they could change it.

If he nominated a federalist society judge, he would have got that vote.
This sounds an awful lot like regression. One might have thought that the hearing is where the character and suitability of a candidate is hashed out. You're saying that the holding of a hearing be conditional on what the hearing is about. It's like saying you have a contract if you have reason to expect a contract.
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Old 17th June 2021, 07:43 AM   #366
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Goursch and Alito seem to have the same reason for their descent, that the penalty for not carrying insurance amounts to a tax.
Like just restating the dissent from two cases ago?
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This sounds an awful lot like regression. One might have thought that the hearing is where the character and suitability of a candidate is hashed out. You're saying that the holding of a hearing be conditional on what the hearing is about. It's like saying you have a contract if you have reason to expect a contract.
The hearing is irrelevant. Business does not get done at the hearing.
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Old 17th June 2021, 07:47 AM   #368
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Barret and I-Like-Beer voted for?

Gee, it's almost as if they're not slaves of the party that nominated them.
Actually, I think a lot of comes from the fact that the SC has put itself in a corner in regards to standing issues.

For so many uncomfortable cases in the past, in order to avoid making a ruling that they know would be correct but unpopular, they've run to the "lacks standing" approach. For example, they've made it basically impossible to sue the government for using public funds to support religion. Not because they can justify allowing public money to be used to support religion, so all they have said is that "you don't have standing." That way they don't have to say, "you can't use public money to support religious schools."

Now lawyers know that's the answer to pretty much everything. Argue that they don't have standing, and the SC will side-step having to make a decision.

This was dismiss on standing.
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Old 17th June 2021, 07:50 AM   #369
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Actually, I think a lot of comes from the fact that the SC has put itself in a corner in regards to standing issues.

For so many uncomfortable cases in the past, in order to avoid making a ruling that they know would be correct but unpopular, they've run to the "lacks standing" approach. For example, they've made it basically impossible to sue the government for using public funds to support religion. Not because they can justify allowing public money to be used to support religion, so all they have said is that "you don't have standing." That way they don't have to say, "you can't use public money to support religious schools."

Now lawyers know that's the answer to pretty much everything. Argue that they don't have standing, and the SC will side-step having to make a decision.

This was dismiss on standing.
But in those uncomfortable cases, are you arguing they did have standing?
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Old 17th June 2021, 07:51 AM   #370
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Originally Posted by pgwenthold View Post
Actually, I think a lot of comes from the fact that the SC has put itself in a corner in regards to standing issues.

For so many uncomfortable cases in the past, in order to avoid making a ruling that they know would be correct but unpopular, they've run to the "lacks standing" approach. For example, they've made it basically impossible to sue the government for using public funds to support religion. Not because they can justify allowing public money to be used to support religion, so all they have said is that "you don't have standing." That way they don't have to say, "you can't use public money to support religious schools."

Now lawyers know that's the answer to pretty much everything. Argue that they don't have standing, and the SC will side-step having to make a decision.

This was dismiss on standing.
Especially considering the lawsuit was basically just a re-hash of the same old arguments from the original challenges to the ACA, but packaged up in an absurd way to make them seem like new.

Precedence doesn't count for much these days with the conservatives taking over SCOTUS and looking to slash and burn decades of liberal jurisprudence, but reversing the ACA decision that was only made a few years ago is too overt of a power play, even for this court. I wouldn't be surprised if there were challenges to the ACA that further neuter the law in the near future, but outright reversal is probably something that will have to wait.
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Especially considering the lawsuit was basically just a re-hash of the same old arguments from the original challenges to the ACA, but packaged up in an absurd way to make them seem like new.

Precedence doesn't count for much these days with the conservatives taking over SCOTUS and looking to slash and burn decades of liberal jurisprudence, but reversing the ACA decision that was only made a few years ago too overt of a power play, even for this court. I wouldn't be surprised if there were challenges to the ACA that further neuter the law in the near future, but outright reversal is probably something that will have to wait.
So this is a case where the plaintiffs who DID have standing failed to win their cases (in the previous cases) so someone else repackaged it and then tried to bring basically the same suit?

That's what happened in the election challenges, of course. It started with actual plaintiffs failing in court on the merits, and so then a bunch of suits were brought by everyone else who had no standing and therefore were blown off.
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You called it dereliction of duty. That generally applies to things you are required to do.
Duty can go beyond legal requirement. I think the Senate Majority Leader of an opposition party than the president has a duty to pursue a compromise candidate (which Garland arguably was) rather than to refuse any but names that a president of their own party would nominate.

Nothing forces him to be that way except the disapproval of voters. I am expressing my disapproval.
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"On Sunday, June 20th, Joe Biden will have been President for exactly five months. And in those five months we've seen crisis after crisis after crisis." - Sen Ted Cruz.

*Gets up... walks over to the window. Opens it. Crickets*

What the **** is he on about?
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Old 17th June 2021, 10:33 AM   #374
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
"On Sunday, June 20th, Joe Biden will have been President for exactly five months. And in those five months we've seen crisis after crisis after crisis." - Sen Ted Cruz.

*Gets up... walks over to the window. Opens it. Crickets*

What the **** is he on about?
He means "and in those five months we've complained and complained and complained."
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Old 17th June 2021, 10:42 AM   #375
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Duty can go beyond legal requirement. I think the Senate Majority Leader of an opposition party than the president has a duty to pursue a compromise candidate (which Garland arguably was) rather than to refuse any but names that a president of their own party would nominate.

Nothing forces him to be that way except the disapproval of voters. I am expressing my disapproval.
Duty would go beyond a legal requirement....if you hadn't invoked a crime under a legal code. If you meant it figuratively, I don't think it was clear.

Maybe it means something figurative in civilian circles?
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
"On Sunday, June 20th, Joe Biden will have been President for exactly five months. And in those five months we've seen crisis after crisis after crisis." - Sen Ted Cruz.

*Gets up... walks over to the window. Opens it. Crickets*

What the **** is he on about?
Caravans of foreigners at the border? Till it got too hot. And Israel. Send money to fight insurrection. All insurrections are bad except Jan 6.
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Given that this came right after some aimless verbal rambling & meandering including replacing a name with another name a few times, the context is a bit too sad for a joke.
Are you still on the "Biden has dementia" wagon? Biden started to say Trump but corrected himself before he'd even gotten the entire name out.

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"I caught part of President Tru-, Putin's press conference, and he talked about the need for us to be able to have some kind of modus operandi where the Arctic was in fact a free zone," Biden said.
https://www.businessinsider.com/vide...ference-2021-6

What other names were replaced "a few times" by Biden incorrectly? I've heard of none.
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Don't you think it's petty to call him rambling, Delvo?
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True. At least they're not in lockstep. That's somewhat encouraging.
Perhaps. There's a difference between public propaganda and political calculations, though.
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Old 17th June 2021, 12:55 PM   #380
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Barret and I-Like-Beer voted for?

Gee, it's almost as if they're not slaves of the party that nominated them.
No but they are supporters of church beliefs even when said beliefs are applied to members of the public that do not hold them: working in a Catholic hospital, no employee or patient rights even when there are no alternative hospitals; a same-sex couple wanting to adopt a child even when there are no alternative adoption agencies; etc.

Thomas is another Evangelical extremist.
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Actually, I think a lot of comes from the fact that the SC has put itself in a corner in regards to standing issues.

For so many uncomfortable cases in the past, in order to avoid making a ruling that they know would be correct but unpopular, they've run to the "lacks standing" approach. For example, they've made it basically impossible to sue the government for using public funds to support religion. Not because they can justify allowing public money to be used to support religion, so all they have said is that "you don't have standing." That way they don't have to say, "you can't use public money to support religious schools."

Now lawyers know that's the answer to pretty much everything. Argue that they don't have standing, and the SC will side-step having to make a decision.

This was dismiss on standing.
They are saving it up for the big one, ignoring the standing on abortion rights.
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Duty would go beyond a legal requirement....if you hadn't invoked a crime under a legal code. If you meant it figuratively, I don't think it was clear.

Maybe it means something figurative in civilian circles?
I'm not sure where I did that.
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Nice to see Trump voters are really patriotic...

From: MSNBC
In new Economist/YouGov polling, Russian President Vladimir Putin polls higher than President Biden among Trump voters.

(Its a video, so if you don't want to watch, Biden has a 9% approval rating among Trump voters, while Putin has a 20% approval rating.)

Yet the republicans seem to be the ones who are quickest to accuse the opposition of not being American enough.
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I'm not sure where I did that.
Dereliction of duty is the name of an actual law.
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Yet the republicans seem to be the ones who are quickest to accuse the opposition of not being American enough.
Every accusation is a confession, comrade. Do you not remember those "I'd rather be a Russian than a Democrat" shirts? You can take them at their word,
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"On Sunday, June 20th, Joe Biden will have been President for exactly five months. And in those five months we've seen crisis after crisis after crisis." - Sen Ted Cruz.

*Gets up... walks over to the window. Opens it. Crickets*

What the **** is he on about?
Must be the right wing talking point du jour. Keven McCarthy made similar statements earlier this week (in a letter to house republicans) about the US being "in crisis"
https://www.republicanleader.gov/our-country-in-crisis/

If this is America in "crisis", i'll take it over whatever you call the previous 4 years
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The hearing is irrelevant. Business does not get done at the hearing.
I realize that this is how it is being done, but I emphatically believe it is not the way it ought to be done.
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This is the best "crisis" I've ever been in

...sorry, in which I've ever been.
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Dereliction of duty is the name of an actual law.
It's also a phrase with a conversational meaning that suits just fine for this circumstance--in the sense that we have moral duties that are not formal and enforced.
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Nice to see Trump voters are really patriotic...

From: MSNBC
In new Economist/YouGov polling, Russian President Vladimir Putin polls higher than President Biden among Trump voters.

(Its a video, so if you don't want to watch, Biden has a 9% approval rating among Trump voters, while Putin has a 20% approval rating.)

Yet the republicans seem to be the ones who are quickest to accuse the opposition of not being American enough.
Interestingly, that 9% is higher than the typical Trump approval rate among Democrats.
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This is the best "crisis" I've ever been in

...sorry, in which I've ever been.
The first was fine. There is no grammar rule saying you cannot end a sentence with a preposition. It's just not as formal.
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Nice to see Trump voters are really patriotic...

From: MSNBC
In new Economist/YouGov polling, Russian President Vladimir Putin polls higher than President Biden among Trump voters.

(Its a video, so if you don't want to watch, Biden has a 9% approval rating among Trump voters, while Putin has a 20% approval rating.)

Yet the republicans seem to be the ones who are quickest to accuse the opposition of not being American enough.
I'd bet Hitler would get a higher rating than Biden among Trump voters. And I'm being serious when you consider all the "You shall not replace us" bigots among that group.

I'd bring up the blatant hypocrisy of this but I don't want to be subjected to yet another lecture on how hypocrisy works for Republicans.
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President Biden and First Lady Dr. Jill Biden are celebrating their 44th wedding anniversary today.
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President Biden and First Lady Dr. Jill Biden are celebrating their 44th wedding anniversary today.
Trump never got past anniversary #16":
Ivana: 14 years
Marla: 6 years but separated for 2 of those
Melania: Married (so far) for 16 years.

He's been faithful to none of them. There has never been even a rumor that Joe Biden has been unfaithful to Jill.
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I realize that this is how it is being done, but I emphatically believe it is not the way it ought to be done.
I probably agree but surely you can think that hearings and floor speeches are the way to do it either?
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Barret and I-Like-Beer voted for?

Gee, it's almost as if they're not slaves of the party that nominated them.
Since Obamacare is a massive giveaway to the insurance companies, prevented price controls from being imposed on pharmaceuticals and essentially prevented any real reform of US medicine (i.e. single payer or medicare for all), no conservatives genuinely objected to it out of principle. That was all theatre and party politics.

It originated in the Enterprise institute after all, and was imposed on the state of Massachusetts by Republican governor Mitt Romney.

I wish it had been struck down myself.
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Old 17th June 2021, 08:00 PM   #397
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
If senators didn't like what McConnell was doing, they could change it.

If he nominated a federalist society judge, he would have got that vote.
That’s not true. What they said was they wouldn’t accept any nomination from Obama and wouldn’t have a hearing until after the election.
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Old 17th June 2021, 08:04 PM   #398
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
The first was fine. There is no grammar rule saying you cannot end a sentence with a preposition. It's just not as formal.
I was just being facetious
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Originally Posted by dirtywick View Post
That’s not true. What they said was they wouldn’t accept any nomination from Obama and wouldn’t have a hearing until after the election.
If you think if Obama let McConnell pick the nominee, then McConnell wouldn't grant that guy a hearing....
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
If you think if Obama let McConnell pick the nominee, then McConnell wouldn't grant that guy a hearing....
What I think, what you think, and what they said are 3 different things.
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