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Old 13th June 2021, 02:27 PM   #281
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This might not work:
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2021...-ocasio-cortez

With Mitch still there, and Manchin demanding a bipartisan judge, there won't be a new judge.
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Old 13th June 2021, 03:54 PM   #282
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Originally Posted by Tero View Post
This might not work:
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2021...-ocasio-cortez

With Mitch still there, and Manchin demanding a bipartisan judge, there won't be a new judge.
I think Breyer should step down. Not even Mitch can claim we're too near the end of a presidency this time. Manchin would vote for a judge who isn't too far left or right. I wouldn't use the word "bipartisan" but "moderate". Which is fine. We need moderate judges rather than too far left or right.
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Here's a crazy, risky idea.

We float the idea, completely under the table, to Thomas and Alto that if they step down now, we'll replace them with moderates. They don't and we'll replace them with goddamn Marx himself (joke) if it suits us.
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Old 13th June 2021, 09:31 PM   #284
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
I think Breyer should step down. Not even Mitch can claim we're too near the end of a presidency this time. Manchin would vote for a judge who isn't too far left or right. I wouldn't use the word "bipartisan" but "moderate". Which is fine. We need moderate judges rather than too far left or right.
What does moderate really mean? I would consider somebody like Ruth Ginsburg or John Paul Stevens moderates by any reasonable standard, but others wouldn't agree, in part because the federal judiciary has turned so far to the right in recent decades.
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Old 13th June 2021, 09:33 PM   #285
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Originally Posted by Tero View Post
This might not work:
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2021...-ocasio-cortez

With Mitch still there, and Manchin demanding a bipartisan judge, there won't be a new judge.
Another argument for term limits for federal judges (and for Congress, too, but that's a different argument).
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Old 13th June 2021, 11:15 PM   #286
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Originally Posted by Bob001 View Post
What does moderate really mean? I would consider somebody like Ruth Ginsburg or John Paul Stevens moderates by any reasonable standard, but others wouldn't agree, in part because the federal judiciary has turned so far to the right in recent decades.
To the far right, Biden is a commiesocialistliberal so you have a point. However, I think it's understood that it's somewhere between Bernie Sanders and Clarence Thomas.
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It is so refreshing for our president to go on a trip to Europe and it to be a complete snoozer. Nothing really happened. No one got elbowed, a few good initiatives were agreed to, tea was had with the Queen. It's nice to have a normal president who does normal things.
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Old 14th June 2021, 03:13 AM   #288
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Originally Posted by Craig4 View Post
It is so refreshing for our president to go on a trip to Europe and it to be a complete snoozer. Nothing really happened. No one got elbowed, a few good initiatives were agreed to, tea was had with the Queen. It's nice to have a normal president who does normal things.
I've said it a thousand time, no giant Baby Biden balloons.
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I've said it a thousand time, no giant Baby Biden balloons.
Oh no, that's just the MSM who refuse to show them.

You know, the same MSM which refuses to broadcast his continual gaffes which are a sign of his significant mental decline.
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Old 14th June 2021, 03:37 AM   #290
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
I think Breyer should step down. Not even Mitch can claim we're too near the end of a presidency this time. Manchin would vote for a judge who isn't too far left or right. I wouldn't use the word "bipartisan" but "moderate". Which is fine. We need moderate judges rather than too far left or right.
Mitch can adjust his claim to whatever he needs for the purpose. He claimed Obama was too near the end of his presidency in 2016 to nominate a judge, "let's hear the voice of the people." In 2020, it had nothing to do with being too near the end of a presidency any more, or "let the people decide," it was "the people had already decided, in 2018 when they gave us (the GOP) a Senate majority to do with as we please."

So there is absolutely nothing to prevent McConnell from claiming, this time around, that we're too close to the midterms of 2022, when the GOP might take back the Senate/House, to let Biden have a pick without first "hearing the voice of the people" then. Does this make a complete joke out of the idea that the President has a right and a duty to nominate, and that the Senate's right and duty to "advise and consent" isn't a license to keep kicking the can down the road until the "right" party gets the benefit of both rights? Yes, it does. Does Mitch McConnell care? Mitch McConnell does not- for McConnell, government is purely a party exercise, it doesn't really have anything to do with anything else, much less what the actual voice of the people might have to say.
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Old 14th June 2021, 04:29 AM   #291
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So there is absolutely nothing to prevent McConnell from claiming, this time around, that we're too close to the midterms of 2022, when the GOP might take back the Senate/House, to let Biden have a pick without first "hearing the voice of the people" then.
He can claim whatever he wants this time, but he doesn't control whether nominees come up for a vote right now.
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Old 14th June 2021, 05:05 AM   #292
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Here's a crazy, risky idea.

We float the idea, completely under the table, to Thomas and Alto that if they step down now, we'll replace them with moderates. They don't and we'll replace them with goddamn Marx himself (joke) if it suits us.
And whether we mean Karl or Groucho shouldn't make any difference to them.
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
And whether we mean Karl or Groucho shouldn't make any difference to them.
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Those letters say "DGG NDIG", "MDYAZH", and "GZIIFI"... with the "G"s (Гг) upside-down, the "Z" (Зз) backward and not even in the same font as the rest, the "Zh" (Жж) snipped so the vertical part in the middle is really thin, and both Cyrillic letters for "i" included even though Russian only uses one of them (Ии).

The "Zh" is the strangest part. If you want it to look like a Roman letter Xx, you can just use that, or the Cyrillic letter that looks exactly identical to our Xx, because there is one. If that's not "Cyrillic enough" for you, you can use Жж ("zh"), but then I'd think you'd want to keep the central vertical stroke intact because that's what makes it look different from X. Why diminish that line and leave its remnant there, looking like you couldn't even make up your mind about which letter to use? Are we supposed to think it's analogous with the vertical line in Фф, which is also oddly thin here? But it's even thinner than that one...
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I think Breyer should step down. Not even Mitch can claim we're too near the end of a presidency this time.
Do you have any idea who Moscow Mitch actually is?

There is no amount of hypocrisy, doublespeak, dirty tricks, and/or outright lying that he will refuse to engage in in order to further his political goals.
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Manchin would vote for a judge who isn't too far left or right. I wouldn't use the word "bipartisan" but "moderate". Which is fine. We need moderate judges rather than too far left or right.
Normally I would agree... the U.S. supreme court would be better served by having multiple 'swing votes' who are less constrained by political ideology.

But, for that to be useful, both republicans and democrats would have to engage in the same sort of moderate selections for court positions. But the republicans have been so successful in stacking the court with right-wing partisans that the democrats might need to go far-left in order to provide some balance.

If the republicans only appoint far-right judges, and the Democrats appoint moderates, judicial rulings would likely be 'pulled' to the right.
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Old 14th June 2021, 09:00 AM   #296
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Update on Breyer retirement watch:

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On Hugh Hewitt's show, McConnell says it's "highly unlikely" he'd allow Biden to fill a Supreme Court vacancy in 2024 if he's majority leader. He also doesn't commit to allowing a vote on a nominee if a seat opened up in *2023*.

"Well, we'd have to wait and see what happens."
https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/statu...55345339183105

Imagine living through the absolute disaster that was RBG's dying on the bench and deciding not to strategically retire right now. Truly galaxy brain tactics.
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https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/statu...55345339183105

Imagine living through the absolute disaster that was RBG's dying on the bench and deciding not to strategically retire right now. Truly galaxy brain tactics.
Oh what do you care? Anyone the "Evil Centrist Biden" appoints is going to be just as bad as Kavanaugh or Barrett as far as you are concerned.
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Mitch can adjust his claim to whatever he needs for the purpose. He claimed Obama was too near the end of his presidency in 2016 to nominate a judge, "let's hear the voice of the people." In 2020, it had nothing to do with being too near the end of a presidency any more, or "let the people decide," it was "the people had already decided, in 2018 when they gave us (the GOP) a Senate majority to do with as we please."

So there is absolutely nothing to prevent McConnell from claiming, this time around, that we're too close to the midterms of 2022, when the GOP might take back the Senate/House, to let Biden have a pick without first "hearing the voice of the people" then. Does this make a complete joke out of the idea that the President has a right and a duty to nominate, and that the Senate's right and duty to "advise and consent" isn't a license to keep kicking the can down the road until the "right" party gets the benefit of both rights? Yes, it does. Does Mitch McConnell care? Mitch McConnell does not- for McConnell, government is purely a party exercise, it doesn't really have anything to do with anything else, much less what the actual voice of the people might have to say.
Yes there is something to stop McConnell. He cannot refuse to hold a vote and it only takes 50 + Harris to confirm the nomination. That is the point of replacing Breyer now. The latest might be in the lame duck after the 2022 election. But that might risk McConnell convincing his tribe that they need to grant him another favor if we lose the Senate in 2022.

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Old 14th June 2021, 10:35 AM   #299
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Yes there is something to stop McConnell. He cannot refuse to hold a vote and it only takes 50 + Harris to confirm the nomination. That is the point of replacing Breyer now. The latest might be in the lame duck after the 2022 election. But that might risk McConnell convincing his tribe that they need to grant him another favor if we lose the Senate in 2022.
The only plausible good explanation for Breyer refusing to retire right now is if there has been some behind-the-scenes indication from Manchin, Sinema, and/or some other "moderate" ghoul that they would side with the conservatives and hamstring the nomination process.
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Oh what do you care? Anyone the "Evil Centrist Biden" appoints is going to be just as bad as Kavanaugh or Barrett as far as you are concerned.
Thrash that strawman all you like, but I don't think I've posted anything here that has undersold the danger of a extreme right wing court.

We're in for a rough ride for the next few decades, barring some minor miracle. A 6-3 court is one that is going to slash through many of the accomplishments of decades of liberal jurisprudence and legislation. A 7-2 court would only result in a more extreme, prolonged version of this.

Given that Biden and the rest of the party has shown very little interest, much less ability, to change the composition of the court, there doesn't seem to be much hope for the near future. That said, a 7-2 court only makes this problem much worse.
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He can claim whatever he wants this time, but he doesn't control whether nominees come up for a vote right now.
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Yes there is something to stop McConnell. He cannot refuse to hold a vote and it only takes 50 + Harris to confirm the nomination. That is the point of replacing Breyer now. The latest might be in the lame duck after the 2022 election. But that might risk McConnell convincing his tribe that they need to grant him another favor if we lose the Senate in 2022.
Yeah, fair points in the context of him actually being able to stop Biden from replacing Breyer. I guess my only (broad) point is that there are no limits to the hypocrisy of someone who sees hypocrisy as a moveable goal rather than as a limit.
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The only plausible good explanation for Breyer refusing to retire right now is if there has been some behind-the-scenes indication from Manchin, Sinema, and/or some other "moderate" ghoul that they would side with the conservatives and hamstring the nomination process.
Regardless, there are a couple GOP Senators who would vote to confirm a Biden nominee so it doesn't depend completely on those two DINOs.
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Regardless, there are a couple GOP Senators who would vote to confirm a Biden nominee so it doesn't depend completely on those two DINOs.
Are there? That's news to me.
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Are there? That's news to me.
I think you might count on Romney and Murkowski, maybe a couple others. After all, seven Repubs voted to impeach Trump for insurrection.
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The whole of a "DINO" is absolutely the last concept the Democrats need right now... so I expect it to be very popular with them because I have loved many a woman, but I will never love a woman as much as the Democrats love self-sabotage.
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Are there? That's news to me.
Yes there are. Collins, Romney, Murkowski, to name a few.
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The whole of a "DINO" is absolutely the last concept the Democrats need right now... so i expect it to be very popular with them.
I don't understand this, could you explain, thanks.
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I don't understand this, could you explain, thanks.
Which part? You used the term Dino so I assume that's not it.
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Thrash that strawman all you like, but I don't think I've posted anything here that has undersold the danger of a extreme right wing court.

We're in for a rough ride for the next few decades, barring some minor miracle. A 6-3 court is one that is going to slash through many of the accomplishments of decades of liberal jurisprudence and legislation. A 7-2 court would only result in a more extreme, prolonged version of this.

Given that Biden and the rest of the party has shown very little interest, much less ability, to change the composition of the court, there doesn't seem to be much hope for the near future. That said, a 7-2 court only makes this problem much worse.
So are you claiming that the court doesn't rule on the law but just a simple matter of partisanship?
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Which part? You used the term Dino so I assume that's not it.


Fine, you don't want to explain what your post means, I doubt many people if any care.
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The whole of a "DINO" is absolutely the last concept the Democrats need right now... so I expect it to be very popular with them because I have loved many a woman, but I will never love a woman as much as the Democrats love self-sabotage.
100% agree. Last thing the Dems need is a "we don't need no stinking centrist or moderates" attitude and become a Bizarro version of the GOP.
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Fine, you don't want to explain what your post means, I doubt many people if any care.
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100% agree. Last thing the Dems need is a "we don't need no stinking centrist or moderates" attitude and become a Bizarro version of the GOP.
Hmmm that's funny he understood it just fine. As if the problem isn't me.
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Hmmm that's funny he understood it just fine. As if the problem isn't me.
Well look at that, you edited it after I quoted it and asked you to clarify.
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Old 14th June 2021, 04:54 PM   #314
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I think Breyer should step down. Not even Mitch can claim we're too near the end of a presidency this time.
Mitch McConnel do you have a rebuttel?

https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/14/polit...yer/index.html
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
it doesn't depend completely on those two DINOs.
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The whole {idea} of a "DINO" is absolutely the last concept the Democrats need right now... so I expect it to be very popular with them
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100% agree. Last thing the Dems need is a "we don't need no stinking centrist or moderates" attitude
Weird. The "Democrats need to be just like the Republicans" crowd has apparently switched from telling the left to capitulate to conservative Democrats, to telling the left to pretend they don't even exist.
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So are you claiming that the court doesn't rule on the law but just a simple matter of partisanship?
I think we can expect a conservative lean, but I don't think we can expect lockstep with the right. Some of the more significant test cases coming up will reveal what we're in for better. If I had to put money on it I'd expect Roe v. Wade to be substantially upheld, but for them to allow more restrictive laws on the edges of it.
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Well look at that, you edited it after I quoted it and asked you to clarify.
Pretty much at the same time, actually, and the part you quoted was not changed, and I understood it just fine.
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
Pretty much at the same time, actually, and the part you quoted was not changed, and I understood it just fine.

This is absurd. It was edited and I quoted it before seeing the edit WHICH CLARIFIED WHAT HE MEANT!

Of course you know what he meant, in hindsight,
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Originally Posted by gnome View Post
I think we can expect a conservative lean, but I don't think we can expect lockstep with the right. Some of the more significant test cases coming up will reveal what we're in for better. If I had to put money on it I'd expect Roe v. Wade to be substantially upheld, but for them to allow more restrictive laws on the edges of it.
Right-wing/corporate activist lean, rather. "Conservative" was very much a misnomer, at last check. Sure, the right wing judges that the GOP puts onto the court do embrace actual conservative principles... when it suits them. When it doesn't? Those principles get tossed remarkably quickly. We can expect them to not be in lockstep with the extremist and CT right, sure, but that's really not saying much. We can expect Roe v. Wade to be substantially upheld, yes, but more because they KNOW that the political backlash would be severe, rather than in relation to any respect for conservative principles.
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Old 14th June 2021, 11:14 PM   #320
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Mitch McConnel do you have a rebuttel?

https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/14/polit...yer/index.html
Try reading my post again:
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
I think Breyer should step down. Not even Mitch can claim we're too near the end of a presidency this time.
This is what McConnell said:

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"So I think it's highly unlikely. In fact, no, I don't think either party if it controlled, if it were different from the president, would confirm a Supreme Court nominee in the middle of an election."
McConnell is using a different tactic this time. No surprise there as he's a thoroughly dishonest and disingenuous POS.

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Do you have any idea who Moscow Mitch actually is?

There is no amount of hypocrisy, doublespeak, dirty tricks, and/or outright lying that he will refuse to engage in in order to further his political goals.
Of course I do, and I agree with your assessment of him. However, as I told JoeMorgue: read what I actually said again. After his pushing through ACB at the very tail end of Trump's presidency, even he couldn't claim we're too near the end of Biden's presidency this time as it's only a few months into it.

Going by McConnell's idiotic excuses, no president could put forth a SC nominee during most of his administration as there are elections mid-term and at the end of the 4 years.

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