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Old 15th June 2021, 05:28 AM   #321
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
After his pushing through ACB at the very tail end of Trump's presidency, even he couldn't claim we're too near the end of Biden's presidency this time as it's only a few months into it.
I expect he absolutely could with a perfectly straight face, and if anyone reminded him of ACB he'd insist that was different. Consistency simply isn't a thing with him at all.
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Old 15th June 2021, 05:35 AM   #322
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I expect he absolutely could with a perfectly straight face, and if anyone reminded him of ACB he'd insist that was different. Consistency simply isn't a thing with him at all.

On the contrary, he will consistently do whatever will advance Republican power, without exception. Anyone who can't see that he simply does not negotiate in good faith should just leave politics forever at this point. I said it quite some time ago: the new rule in Congress is, naked acts of power are all that matter. Tradition, rule of law, bipartisanship? Nope. You do what you can't be stopped from doing, no more and no less.

The Democrats need to finally understand this, and understand that the only proper response to GOP whining about the Democrats advancing their agenda without regard to the opinions of any Republicans is, "This is how you wanted to play the game, ********."
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Old 15th June 2021, 05:36 AM   #323
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
It was edited and I quoted it before seeing the edit WHICH CLARIFIED WHAT HE MEANT!
I'm not saying otherwise; I'm saying that the edit was made in the same minute, so your accusation might be baseless.

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Of course you know what he meant, in hindsight,
Has it occured to you that perhaps I read his post at the time and understood it?
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Old 15th June 2021, 04:04 PM   #324
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Has Fox News started rooting for Putin in tomorrow’s summit yet, or are they saving that for Tucker and Hannity tonight?
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Old 15th June 2021, 11:22 PM   #325
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President Biden is practicing “appeasement” of Russian President Vladimir Putin ahead of Wednesday’s scheduled summit between the two leaders in Switzerland, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) told Fox News Tuesday night.
Oh, the irony burns.
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Old 16th June 2021, 12:02 AM   #326
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
Oh, the irony burns.
It's so bizarre, isn't it: how Graham can completely wall off the part of his brain than must know Dump kissed Putin's ass, that Dump must have thought he and Putin were buddies, two of a kind, while Putin played Dump like the fool he is.

Maybe Graham is the one getting senile here.

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McConnell has openly announced that if the Senate goes Republican next time he'll make sure no judges get a vote for as long as he's in control and a Democrat is President. He's thrown away any pretense of bothering to make excuses for it. The fact that that dereliction of duty isn't a crime is one of the great examples of lack of foresight by the Constitutional authors.

However, that doesn't mean any current Supreme Court judges will feel any more incentivized to retire now before that happens. Retiring while your side still has the Presidency and Senate to avoid letting the other side (illegitimately) replace you would be taken as a signal that you were on that particular side all along, and most judges don't want to be thought of as taking a side. They might actually be on one side or the other, but helping their side win is less important to most judges than projecting a neutral non-side-taking image.
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Old 16th June 2021, 12:27 AM   #328
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
It's so bizarre, isn't it: how Graham can completely wall off the part of his brain than must know Dump kissed Putin's ass, that Dump must have thought he and Putin were buddies, two of a kind, while Putin played Dump like the fool he is.

Maybe Graham is the one getting senile here.
Graham is the quintessential stereotypical politician who has no principles and no true convictions but will say and do anything that he thinks will benefit himself. He's like a rudderless boat going with whatever current is the strongest at the time. He's not senile; he's just amoral.
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Old 16th June 2021, 01:30 AM   #329
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It would be nice if all the media would stop treating this like it's the Ali/Frazer fight. Diplomacy is an iterative process and this meeting is simply one iteration of a holistic policy toward Russia. The success or failure of that policy will be determined by Russia's behavior over time, not by score cards from the post meeting press conferences.
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Old 16th June 2021, 05:37 AM   #330
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Wait, you mean meeting with another major power doesn't have to have a clear winner and a clear loser? That sounds like loser talk to me!
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Old 16th June 2021, 10:36 AM   #331
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Biden's post Putin meeting press conference demonstrates how NOT senile Biden is.


I do have one gripe about his message so far (it's going on right now) is he claimed the US never interferes with other countries' elections. We have a very long history of doing just that.

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Old 16th June 2021, 10:39 AM   #332
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Biden's post Putin meeting press conference demonstrates how not senile Biden is.
I had to read this three times before I saw the "not". I was all confused.
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Old 16th June 2021, 10:44 AM   #333
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They did not have to say much at all. It was the contrast to Trump Putin at Helsinki that was the message.
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Old 16th June 2021, 10:49 AM   #334
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Originally Posted by Craig4 View Post
It would be nice if all the media would stop treating this like it's the Ali/Frazer fight. Diplomacy is an iterative process and this meeting is simply one iteration of a holistic policy toward Russia. The success or failure of that policy will be determined by Russia's behavior over time, not by score cards from the post meeting press conferences.
Interestingly, that is almost literally what Biden just said.
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I had to read this three times before I saw the "not". I was all confused.
I made it more visible.
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
I made it more visible.
That's ok. It was entirely my misreading.
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Biden Press conference after Putin meeting.

"I told President Putin my agenda is not against Russia or anyone else. It's for the American people. I also told him that no President of the United States could keep faith with the American people if they did not speak out to defend our democratic values."

Biden mentions Navalny, then says "we'll continue to raise issue of fundamental human rights, because that's what we are. That's who we are. We haven't lived up to it completely, but we've always widened the arc."

"How could I be the President of the United States of America, and not speak out against the violation of human rights."

Biden says he pressed Putin on the principle that critical infrastructure should be off limits to cyberattack, adds, "responsible countries need to take action against criminals who conduct ransomware activities on their territory."

On Russia, "They are not able to dictate what happens in the world. There are other nations of significant consequence, i.e., the United States of America being one of them."

Asked what will happen if Navalny dies, Biden says, "I made it clear that the consequences of that would be devastating for Russia. It's about trust. It's about the ability to influence other nations in a positive way."

"We just talked about basic, fundamental things, there were no threats, just letting [Putin] know where I stood"
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At one point Biden slips and refers to President Putin as President Trump but quickly corrected himself.

Easy mistake to make though.
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Interestingly, that is almost literally what Biden just said.
I should send him a resume.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
At one point Biden slips and refers to President Putin as President Trump but quickly corrected himself.

Easy mistake to make though.
Trump, Putin, it's all the same.

Could have been on purpose.
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Yes, we all make that mistake sometimes. I once thought I was going to trump but found myself putin instead.
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One thing Biden did not say about the cyberware/ransomware attacks based in Russia:

“My people came to me, [Director of National Intelligence] Dan CoatsAvril Haines came to me and some others saying they think it's Russia. I have President Putin, he just said it’s not Russia. I will say this, I don’t see any reason why it would be.”
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Yes, we all make that mistake sometimes. I once thought I was going to trump but found myself putin instead.
Which is why you found yourself russian for the bathroom.
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Old 16th June 2021, 06:51 PM   #344
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McConnell has openly announced that if the Senate goes Republican next time he'll make sure no judges get a vote for as long as he's in control and a Democrat is President. He's thrown away any pretense of bothering to make excuses for it. The fact that that dereliction of duty isn't a crime is one of the great examples of lack of foresight by the Constitutional authors.

However, that doesn't mean any current Supreme Court judges will feel any more incentivized to retire now before that happens. Retiring while your side still has the Presidency and Senate to avoid letting the other side (illegitimately) replace you would be taken as a signal that you were on that particular side all along, and most judges don't want to be thought of as taking a side. They might actually be on one side or the other, but helping their side win is less important to most judges than projecting a neutral non-side-taking image.
Not having the hearing is performance of that duty.
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Not having the hearing is performance of that duty.
Care to explain that more?
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Care to explain that more?

Oh yeah great idea.
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It's going to be a terrible explanation. Denying the President use of a power granted by the Constitution based on whether or not you agree with that President's politics isn't performing the duty of a Senator. I don't think there's really a reasonable definition of that duty that includes that.
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Which is why you found yourself russian for the bathroom.
When you're russian, there's no time for stalin.
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This is a joke, right?

Originally Posted by Biden press conference
"How would it be if the United States were viewed by the rest of the world as interfering with the elections directly of other countries and everybody knew it? What would it be like if we engaged in activities that he engaged in? It diminishes the standing of a country."
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
Hypocrisy is a fundamental human trait.

That said, I'd rather getting interference from the US than from Russia, given the choice.
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Hypocrisy is a fundamental human trait.

That said, I'd rather getting interference from the US than from Russia, given the choice.
Depends on where you live. I'd rather have a little disinfo and light hacking from Russia than deal with US backed military junta overthrowing elected government.
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Care to explain that more?
Senate has sole authority to determine what their advice resembles. They made it clear Garland wasn't going to be a justice. And it was obvious that if Obama wanted to get a justice through, then there was a way to do it.

None of that requires hearings or votes.
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Senate has sole authority to determine what their advice resembles. They made it clear Garland wasn't going to be a justice. And it was obvious that if Obama wanted to get a justice through, then there was a way to do it.

None of that requires hearings or votes.
"They" = one senator.

What was that way?
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"They" = one senator.

What was that way?
If senators didn't like what McConnell was doing, they could change it.

If he nominated a federalist society judge, he would have got that vote.
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If senators didn't like what McConnell was doing, they could change it.

If he nominated a federalist society judge, he would have got that vote.
So McConnell's "advice and consent" was "my way or the highway". I'm not sure that's the intent.

I don't question he had the power. Obviously he did. I question the wisdom with which he applied it.
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So McConnell's "advice and consent" was "my way or the highway". I'm not sure that's the intent.

I don't question he had the power. Obviously he did. I question the wisdom with which he applied it.
You called it dereliction of duty. That generally applies to things you are required to do.
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SCOTUS rules 7-2 (Justices Samuel Alito and Neil Gorsuch dissented) to keep Obamacare/The Affordable Care Act in place.

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-ne...urt/index.html
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SCOTUS rules 7-2 (Justices Samuel Alito and Neil Gorsuch dissented) to keep Obamacare/The Affordable Care Act in place.

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-ne...urt/index.html
Barret and I-Like-Beer voted for?

Gee, it's almost as if they're not slaves of the party that nominated them.
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Given that this came right after some aimless verbal rambling & meandering including replacing a name with another name a few times, the context is a bit too sad for a joke.
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