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Old 30th July 2021, 08:29 PM   #161
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Originally Posted by The Atheist View Post
Do you not have water cannons over there?

I'd use flamethrowers myself, but water would be a fair second. I see no reason to treat that filth with anything but the strongest response.
Well horses don’t work….
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Old 30th July 2021, 08:40 PM   #162
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Originally Posted by lionking View Post
I take no pleasure in this prediction, but NSW will exceed 400 within a week.
I'm just taking this opportunity to give you credit for your much earlier prediction that Sydney would be seeing a hundred cases per day.

If I recall correctly, you copped some undeserved flack for that.

The radio news this morning, reported that NSW had 212 new cases in the 24 hours up to 8pm on Friday.
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Note, I don't know if this is true or not, but there was a lot of incredulity expressed here in South Australia, in response to news, that NSW was counting hair-dressers and fashion shops as "essential services" that had to remain open during their "lock down".

Can anyone from NSW confirm if that was the case, or was it just a media beat-up?
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Originally Posted by novaphile View Post
Note, I don't know if this is true or not, but there was a lot of incredulity expressed here in South Australia, in response to news, that NSW was counting hair-dressers and fashion shops as "essential services" that had to remain open during their "lock down".

Can anyone from NSW confirm if that was the case, or was it just a media beat-up?
Yes it was the case. There were videos of Bunnings and even Gucci outlets open.
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Old 30th July 2021, 08:56 PM   #165
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Originally Posted by novaphile View Post
I'm just taking this opportunity to give you credit for your much earlier prediction that Sydney would be seeing a hundred cases per day.

If I recall correctly, you copped some undeserved flack for that.

The radio news this morning, reported that NSW had 212 new cases in the 24 hours up to 8pm on Friday.
It’s not the raw numbers, it’s the non-isolated infected moving through the community.

In Melbourne “exercise” did not mean a casual stroll in Bondi or Manly. We know the drill, Sydney doesn’t.
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Originally Posted by The Atheist View Post
Do you not have water cannons over there?

I'd use flamethrowers myself, but water would be a fair second. I see no reason to treat that filth with anything but the strongest response.
The thin blue line seems to have been enough.

Nobody turned up.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-...test/100339936
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Who was Australia’s best prime minister? Experts rank the winners and dunces

tl;dr it was John Curtin.
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Interesting list.

I would have rated Keating higher at number 3 (how that plodder Menzies was ranked higher than Keating is a joke). Whitlam had the panache and presence, but Keating did the heavy lifting with economic reform and superannuation.
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John Howard should have ranked higher for gun reform. Pity he saw how popular Pauline Hanson's One Nation was and perfected their policies. The classic example is the "children overboard." I think Trump could have learned a lot from what he did. In the end, he lost his popularity so badly that he is the only Australian PM to lose their seat, while PM.
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Originally Posted by lionking View Post
I would have rated Keating higher at number 3
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Old 2nd August 2021, 12:35 AM   #171
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Originally Posted by rjh01 View Post
In the end, he lost his popularity so badly that he is the only Australian PM to lose their seat, while PM.
That was by design. He was determined that Peter Costello would never be PM and since he was due to step down anyway, he brought in the unpopular "Work Choices" legislation which Costello was in favour of.

The thing is that even Tony Abbott saw that this was a loser so you can be sure that Howard knew this too.
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Speaking of whom, did you notice who was a strong contender for knocking Billy McMahon off the title for worst PM?
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...how that plodder Menzies was ranked higher than Keating is a joke...
Reds under the bed! Communists everywhere! I did but see her walking by! Etc., etc., etc. The man was a master of beat-up politics and coasting on other peoples' successes. And he had one Golden Rule for his cabinet and team as PM: You don't **** up...full stop.
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Yeah, an utterly surprising response..

I just saw Rudd on Four Corners and think even now he would beat Morrison in the next election, but Albo won’t.
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Originally Posted by lionking View Post
Yeah, an utterly surprising response..
Keating took away all the checks and balances from the banks. The aftermath of that "reform" was exploding house prices resulting in interest rates at loan shark levels and a nationwide recession.

You would have to be insane to think that any of that was good.
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I'm guessing that 'Sovereign Citizens' were behind this plot...



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Counter-terrorism officers have thwarted a bizarre plot to overthrow the Morrison government, install a new federal police force and arrest senior MPs and bureaucrats.


Police involved in raids across three states on Saturday sought to downplay the alleged coup plot, saying there's nothing to suggest those behind it had the ability to execute it.


But AFP Acting Assistant Commissioner Andrew Donoghoe said the group's intentions were made clear in a fake video that's been circulating online, purporting to feature AFP Commissioner Reece Kershaw.

https://au.yahoo.com/news/man-busted...045427577.html
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It wasn't "a bizarre plot to overthrow the Morrison government", it was a not-very-elaborate troll.
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Yeah, an utterly surprising response..

I just saw Rudd on Four Corners and think even now he would beat Morrison in the next election, but Albo won’t.
I could beat Morrison at the next election. You could too. A brown dog could as well.

Sorry, Albo. I like you as a person and you are an able operator. But PM material you are not. You make John Howard look like a sparkling personality.
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This may be worth posting in another thread, but...

Hillsong leader Brian Houston charged over the concealment of alleged child sex offences

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Hillsong founder Brian Houston has been charged with allegedly concealing information about child sexual abuse following a two-year investigation.

Sources close to the investigation have revealed Mr Houston, 67, is accused of failing to report the historic alleged abuse of a young male by his late father — Frank Houston.

"Police will allege in court the man knew information relating to the sexual abuse of a young male in the 1970s and failed to bring that information to the attention of police," a NSW Police spokesperson said.

Detectives served his lawyer with a court attendance notice, which requires the pastor to appear before a Sydney magistrate at the Downing Centre on October 5.

Brian Houston has been charged with concealing a serious indictable offence.
Isn't Houston one of Scotty's mates?
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Was there a mandatory reporting requirement in the 1970s?

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Isn't Houston one of Scotty's mates?
Ex mate if Scumo knows anything about politics. In any case, maybe Scumo knew about the allegations and could be charged with the same offense?
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Was there a mandatory reporting requirement in the 1970s?
My admittedly brief search suggests that the first mandatory reporting laws came into force in SA in 1969 so I'm going to say it's entirely possible.
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My admittedly brief search suggests that the first mandatory reporting laws came into force in SA in 1969 so I'm going to say it's entirely possible.
It would be interesting to know more about this. Does the mandatory reporting requirement apply to all members of the public or just certain groups of people such as teachers or health care professionals? You you have to alert the police even if all you have heard is Mrs Kravitz repeating gossip that she heard from a friend telling another friend?
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NSW has nearly 300 new cases today. It would not surprise that Eid seeded this surge. 50 people in that figure were in the community for the whole time.

Bunnings still open.
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It would be interesting to know more about this. Does the mandatory reporting requirement apply to all members of the public or just certain groups of people such as teachers or health care professionals? You you have to alert the police even if all you have heard is Mrs Kravitz repeating gossip that she heard from a friend telling another friend?
The details vary state by state so you'd need to look it up for your own location, but my understanding is that here in the ACT, if I come across credible evidence that child abuse is occurring, yes, I have a duty to report that. No, this doesn't mean I have to report Mrs Kravitz' gossip. But if I happen to be using Mrs Kravitz' computer to quickly check my emails during a party and I accidentally discover child exploitation material, I am required to report it.

Honestly, if that happened I'd probably report it even if it wasn't mandatory. I think any decent person would.
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The details vary state by state so you'd need to look it up for your own location, but my understanding is that here in the ACT, if I come across credible evidence that child abuse is occurring, yes, I have a duty to report that. No, this doesn't mean I have to report Mrs Kravitz' gossip. But if I happen to be using Mrs Kravitz' computer to quickly check my emails during a party and I accidentally discover child exploitation material, I am required to report it.

Honestly, if that happened I'd probably report it even if it wasn't mandatory. I think any decent person would.
The AIFS web site (https://aifs.gov.au/cfca/publication...se-and-neglect) gives more details.

Mandatory reporting does not apply to ALL adults (except in the NT) but in most states, ministers of religion are included.
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NSW has nearly 300 new cases today. It would not surprise that Eid seeded this surge. 50 people in that figure were in the community for the whole time.

Bunnings still open.
I see Victoria started another shutdown today. I remain unconvinced the Indian variant can be shut down without a Wuhan-style total ban on movement.

The costs must be starting to get a little out of control over there.
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I see Victoria started another shutdown today. I remain unconvinced the Indian variant can be shut down without a Wuhan-style total ban on movement.

The costs must be starting to get a little out of control over there.
The costs are bearable. We will bounce back well enough.

Sadly one or my daughters will have to cancel her wedding for a second time. She’s unconsolable, but another daughter has come to the fore. She has found a date in September which works.

Sorry about the derail.
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NSW has nearly 300 new cases today. It would not surprise that Eid seeded this surge. 50 people in that figure were in the community for the whole time.

Bunnings still open.
It seems the "gold standard" continues to be a roaring success for Covid.
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It seems the "gold standard" continues to be a roaring success for Covid.
"Gold standard" has, of course, been replaced by "toughest lockdown in Australia" which is utter ********. Even my grandchildren know better than to tell big lies, but the NSW "government" seems to believe that the more often you repeat a lie, the more likely people are to believe it.
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"Gold standard" has, of course, been replaced by "toughest lockdown in Australia" which is utter ********. Even my grandchildren know better than to tell big lies, but the NSW "government" seems to believe that the more often you repeat a lie, the more likely people are to believe it.
Looking at the figures for NSW I keep. I can find no evidence that the lockdown will reduce the numbers. These have been going up by about 44% per week since mid-July and no sign they are going down. Suggest the only way for this outbreak to be bought under control would be for Daniel Andrews, or maybe his clone, to take over the Government.
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Looking at the figures for NSW I keep. I can find no evidence that the lockdown will reduce the numbers. These have been going up by about 44% per week since mid-July and no sign they are going down. Suggest the only way for this outbreak to be bought under control would be for Daniel Andrews, or maybe his clone, to take over the Government.
I think Dan will win the next Victorian election easily and then contest the Federal election as Labor leader.
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"Gold standard" has, of course, been replaced by "toughest lockdown in Australia" which is utter ********. Even my grandchildren know better than to tell big lies, but the NSW "government" seems to believe that the more often you repeat a lie, the more likely people are to believe it.
It's the Clayton's lockdown. The lockdown you have when you're not having a lockdown.

It may be the toughest for Gladys because she's made it so complicated by shutting down individual local government areas. So many rules and exemptions for people to get confused about and want to say "**** it".

Gladys always says, "Can I just say" or "let me say this". She's so timid.

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I think Dan will win the next Victorian election easily and then contest the Federal election as Labor leader.
I hope so.
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Victorians know how to lock down. The New South Welsh clearly do not.

Also, is it just me or is this... a weird thing to say?

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Australians have the grit, the determination and the character to prevail. There may not be gold medals as I wrote recently, Mr Speaker, for being a single parent, for running a small business, for doing the night shift at an emergency department or aged care facility, to be out there at the vaccination hubs, for volunteering for your local surf lifesaving club or your bushfire brigade, Mr Speaker, but if there were, Australia would be at the top of the gold medal tally I’m quite certain.

And this is why I’m so confident Australia will pull through this current challenge of the covid-19 pandemic. We won’t let it beat us, we won’t let our frustration get the better of us, we won’t let negativity overwhelm our optimism. We will urge each other on, we will just put our head down and keep pressing on and we will succeed, that is the Australian way.
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Victorians know how to lock down. The New South Welsh clearly do not.
It took them a year or more but they're finally using Dan's saying "you need to lock down hard and fast"... this time two months too late.

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Also, is it just me or is this... a weird thing to say?



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It's certainly jingoistic. Straight out of the fifties, I think.
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Old 9th August 2021, 04:57 AM   #195
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NSW has nearly 300 new cases today. It would not surprise that Eid seeded this surge. 50 people in that figure were in the community for the whole time.

Bunnings still open.
So there are lots of Muslims in the Hunter Valley? Mid-west NSW? Armidale and New England?

These scattered outbreaks came about two weeks after those stupid anti-vaxx, anti-mask rallies. All sorts of people from many different places turning up, no masks, all crowded and shouting, and a few of them infected who conveniently didn't know or didn't tell. So it just might be predictable they take it with them back to wherever the hell they all came from...the Hunter Valley. Mid-west NSW. Armidale and New England. And more. And we could then expect "untraceable" outbreaks there too, beginning after the usual COVID incubation period of about two weeks from infection.

What are the chances...?

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So there are lots of Muslims in the Hunter Valley? Mid-west NSW? Armidale and New England?

These scattered outbreaks came about two weeks after those stupid anti-vaxx, anti-mask rallies. All sorts of people from many different places turning up, no masks, all crowded and shouting, and a few of them infected who conveniently didn't know or didn't tell. So it just might be predictable they take it with them back to wherever the hell they all came from...the Hunter Valley. Mid-west NSW. Armidale and New England. And more. And we could then expect "untraceable" outbreaks there too, beginning after the usual COVID incubation period of about two weeks from infection.

What are the chances...?

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Who knows, but the parts of Melbourne and Sydney where the outbreaks took hold and accelerated have have large Islamic populations. I don’t think it’s a coincidence.
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Who knows, but the parts of Melbourne and Sydney where the outbreaks took hold and accelerated have have large Islamic populations. I don’t think it’s a coincidence.
They also have large Hindu populations, and many Asian populations, and Pacific Island populations. Let's generalise.
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Originally Posted by Orphia Nay View Post
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It's certainly jingoistic. Straight out of the fifties, I think.

The Fifties (or an idealized recollection of the era, at least) are very popular among certain political circles.
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
Victorians know how to lock down. The New South Welsh clearly do not.

Also, is it just me or is this... a weird thing to say?



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It is a very Scott Morrison thing to say. He still seems to be convinced that being PM is a marketing role and that he is marketing to not very bright children.
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Brad (Health) Hazzard said in the press conference today “you can’t legislate ignorance, arrogance and entitlement”. Look in the mirror dickhead.
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