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Old 7th August 2021, 06:15 AM   #81
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Originally Posted by heydarian saeed View Post
Hello. Why is the $ 1 million challenge post closed? Was it because no one posted? Or did someone really find and prove the supernatural in the laboratory? Of course, I have seen such a post for almost a month. And I was eager to submit my article I wrote in 2004. Of course I have to update and edit. So it takes some time. Accept my apology. Thanks
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Old 7th August 2021, 06:23 AM   #82
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Originally Posted by heydarian saeed View Post
I did not test anything in the laboratory. And basically I do not have the laboratory facilities that you think. I will tell you what conditions you create to see the soul. And discover the supernatural. Also, I am not looking for markets and sales for my conversations. I have good financial means. And I do not need to sell my ideas. I feel I have a duty to present a fruitful thought.
Ok...so you lied when you said youhad laboratory tested evidence. Now, why don't you just post your entire article? Many here have told you how it can be done. I don't know about the others, but I definitely am not going to engage with your tantalizing little meaningless trailers of the "evidence that is coming soon."
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Originally Posted by Pixel42 View Post
Retrospectively interpreting old writings to fit recent events is easy and pointless (see the so-called prophecies of Nostradamus).

If that's all you've got you are definitely wasting your time here.
Star Trek and Simpson's done a better job at predicting recent events.
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Old 7th August 2021, 08:39 AM   #84
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Is it retro-fit week around here and I missed the memo?

First we had The Traveller and his fundie "interpretation" of the stoner classic Book of Revelations and now this attempt to shoehorn what we now know into another slightly younger Middle Eastern text.

What's next? Buddha reveals the winner of the 2.30 at Haydock Park? How Thomas Aquinas actually wrote the works of Virginia Woolf? The Bhaghavad Gita really contains details of how to design and build a Porsche 911?
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Old 7th August 2021, 09:01 AM   #85
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Old 7th August 2021, 09:42 AM   #86
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Originally Posted by MarkCorrigan View Post
Again, if the Quran is such a scientifically enlightened book, why does it claim that the Earth is flat and the Sun orbits the Earth?
Ha! we finally agree on something. I have written a lot of criticism of the Quran and there is a Hadith that proves it says the sun orbits the earth. Here is my writing.


The quran says the sun orbits the earth, therefore it is not from God.

When the quran says, at surah 21.33 and 36.40 and 36.38 that the sun has an orbit, Imams falsely claim this is a great revelation, because Muhammad knew the sun had an orbit in the galaxy. But the quran is actually saying the sun orbits the flat earth and is reset every dawn , and I can prove it with the following hadith.

Hadith Bukhari Volume 4, Book 54, Number 421:
Narrated Abu Dhar:

The Prophet asked me at sunset, "Do you know where the sun goes (at the time of sunset)?" I replied, "Allah and His Apostle know better." He said, "It goes (i.e. travels) till it prostrates Itself underneath the Throne and takes the permission to rise again, and it is permitted and then (a time will come when) it will be about to prostrate itself but its prostration will not be accepted, and it will ask permission to go on its course but it will not be permitted, but it will be ordered to return whence it has come and so it will rise in the west. And that is the interpretation of the Statement of Allah: "And the sun Runs its fixed course For a term (decreed). that is The Decree of (Allah) The Exalted in Might, The All-Knowing." (36.38)

As can be seen it says that if the sun changed direction it would rise in the west. But if the sun changed direction in its orbit in the galaxy it would make no difference to the sun rising in the east, because it is the rotation of the earth that causes the appearance of the sun in the east. The hadith is clearly saying the sun orbits the earth, and it is a fuller explanation of verse 36.38 in the quran.
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Originally Posted by heydarian saeed View Post
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I did some research in the lab to prove the supernatural and I am attaching a written article Please read and comment I answered
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I did not test anything in the laboratory. And basically I do not have the laboratory facilities that you think. I will tell you what conditions you create to see the soul. And discover the supernatural. Also, I am not looking for markets and sales for my conversations. I have good financial means. And I do not need to sell my ideas. I feel I have a duty to present a fruitful thought.
What to believe?
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So, the OP is an entirely predictable disappointment.

Still, I'm going to get me some popcorn for what maybe an amusing Fundie-Fight.
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What was that stoner classic again? The Book of Rubble Ations?
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What was that stoner classic again? The Book of Rubble Ations?
Nah, that was written the sidekick in that Creationist documentary series "The Flintstones"
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Originally Posted by heydarian saeed View Post
I did not test anything in the laboratory. And basically I do not have the laboratory facilities that you think. I will tell you what conditions you create to see the soul. And discover the supernatural. Also, I am not looking for markets and sales for my conversations. I have good financial means. And I do not need to sell my ideas. I feel I have a duty to present a fruitful thought.
Ok, I'm onboard. Tell me.
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I worked in the Middle-East for many years. This particular claim is very common and to students and Muslim faculty use to bring it up on a weekly basis.
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Hello. I wish you good health. The Qur'an begins with science and knowledge. Isn't reading and learning joyful? In the Qur'an and the religion of Islam, everything is happiness. The principles of happiness in the Qur'an are: a positive and clear view of worldly life and the use of all blessings - caring for health - avoiding sorrow and despair - remembering God. Aren't these joys? Of course, the joy caused by pride, arrogance and drunkenness is rejected in the Qur'an and Islam. And the reason is that man becomes unconscious. And he may commit a crime. Doesn't this law have a special place in human societies?All countries care about preventing and combating corruption and crime. Happiness is right and according to the principles, there is no problem. My family and I always travel and have fun and enjoy life. And we are always happy. The Qur'an advises the family and happiness by avoiding extremism.
... Imagination and daydreaming and judgment based on suspicion have no place in the Qur'an. The Qur'an cares about existence. Recommends what is and is real. Thank you for your comments.
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Hello dear. You have the choice. Do not worry. You will not miss anything.
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Just a reminder, when you've finished with the content free proselytising screeds, we're still waiting for some information about the


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research in the lab to prove the supernatural


In your own time...
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Hello Master. Believe that everything is not just this world. You have probably heard of parallel worlds. What are parallel worlds ?! Why was science not satisfied with Einstein's four dimensions? And provided up to 12 other dimensions. And ... more dimensions !!
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Hello, thank you. My eyes, I will definitely upload the full article for you. I owe it to myself to check my friends' opinions and be as accountable as I can. It takes time because of that.
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I'm glad to meet you. I am proud to have been to the Middle East. And you had time with a Muslim. You may not have seen this article.
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Continued introduction; I study and research in this regard because of my interest in scientific topics, especially about space, the sky, and medicine.
I invite you to come to the laboratory of the whole world! Yes, the whole universe is a laboratory. That everything was created for experimentation. And everything in nature and matter is interacting and moving towards evolution. And matter can be a sign of transcendental proof.
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The way to prove the supernatural is by using nature itself. Nature is a sign that we can transcend through rational and abstract analogy and inference. There are many cases in which man has no justification for its existence from nature. The "human mind" has a speed beyond light. And it takes time and space. Is it made of nature? How? How does science define it? What about "sleep"? We dream of the past or the future. Or we fly. And has no place and time. What is the scientific justification that sleep is of nature?
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Originally Posted by heydarian saeed View Post
Hello Master. Believe that everything is not just this world. You have probably heard of parallel worlds. What are parallel worlds ?!
Parallel worlds are science fiction. They do not actually exist, in the sense that there is not a shred of evidence that they exist.

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Why was science not satisfied with Einstein's four dimensions? And provided up to 12 other dimensions. And ... more dimensions !!
The proposed other dimensions are not parallel worlds, and they are proposed to solve actual physical problems.
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Even medical science does not know sleep through the interactions of the nervous system and neurons and has no definition for it. Is human knowledge and perception of matter? How does experimental science define it? There is no doubt about the existence of the "soul". Is the soul of nature?
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Now that I'm talking to you, I'm asking you to review together some of the scientific material that is relevant to the subject of supernatural proof. Then I will prove it to you through new and up-to-date science.
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Originally Posted by heydarian saeed View Post
The way to prove the supernatural is by using nature itself. Nature is a sign that we can transcend through rational and abstract analogy and inference.
Meaningless words. In what way is nature a sign of this transcension?

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There are many cases in which man has no justification for its existence from nature.
Philosophy. Physics does deal with “justification”.

[quote]The "human mind" has a speed beyond light.[quote]
Obvious nonsense. Humans cannot compete with computers in speed, and computers do not compute at the speed of light (electrons have mass).

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And it takes time and space. Is it made of nature? How? How does science define it?
Is this a “god in the gaps” argument? If science cannot currently explain something, it must be a god who did it?

Actually, physicists are fairly convinced that no new physics are necessary to explain “minds”. It is the details that are missing.

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What about "sleep"? We dream of the past or the future. Or we fly. And has no place and time. What is the scientific justification that sleep is of nature?
I can think of something that doesn’t exist. Is that proof that my mind is supernatural? Likewise, I can dream of a past that did not exist, and I can dream of futures that will never happen.

When you can show that the mind actually can dream of something that will happen, or it it can dream of something real in the past that it could not know, and it is all not a coincidence, then you can come back.
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Originally Posted by heydarian saeed View Post
Now that I'm talking to you, I'm asking you to review together some of the scientific material that is relevant to the subject of supernatural proof. Then I will prove it to you through new and up-to-date science.

Bring the material. So far you have only given us promises. And the promise of lab tests has already shown to be an empty promise.
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I'd suggest a thread clean up, but I don't think there's a single on topic post (except possibly steenkh's) in the entire thread.
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There is no doubt about the existence of the "soul".
That is news to me. I doubt very much that I have a soul. At least I have never seen the slightest hint of evidence for such a thing.
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Originally Posted by heydarian saeed View Post
Now that I'm talking to you, I'm asking you to review together some of the scientific material that is relevant to the subject of supernatural proof. Then I will prove it to you through new and up-to-date science.
The only thing that's relevant to the subject of supernatural proof is objective evidence of the supernatural.

And please learn how to use the quote button. Just tap the 'quote' button of the post you want to reply to (it's in the bottom right hand corner), and type your response under the quote.
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I'd suggest a thread clean up, but I don't think there's a single on topic post (except possibly steenkh's) in the entire thread.
Maybe because it's a tad difficult to tell what the actual topic is...
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Maybe because it's a tad difficult to tell what the actual topic is...
I'll go with-:

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research in the lab to prove the supernatural

None has been provided yet, nor do I believe any will be forthcoming.
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Originally Posted by heydarian saeed View Post
Hello. I wish you good health. The Qur'an begins with science and knowledge. Isn't reading and learning joyful? In the Qur'an and the religion of Islam, everything is happiness. The principles of happiness in the Qur'an are: a positive and clear view of worldly life and the use of all blessings - caring for health - avoiding sorrow and despair - remembering God. Aren't these joys? Of course, the joy caused by pride, arrogance and drunkenness is rejected in the Qur'an and Islam. And the reason is that man becomes unconscious. And he may commit a crime. Doesn't this law have a special place in human societies?All countries care about preventing and combating corruption and crime. Happiness is right and according to the principles, there is no problem. My family and I always travel and have fun and enjoy life. And we are always happy. The Qur'an advises the family and happiness by avoiding extremism.
... Imagination and daydreaming and judgment based on suspicion have no place in the Qur'an. The Qur'an cares about existence. Recommends what is and is real. Thank you for your comments.
Everything is happiness in the Quran unless you are an unbeliever.

In which case you will be dragged through boiling liquid in chains and into hellfire. Where your skin will be burnt off and renewed and burnt off again for all eternity. Surah's 4.56 and 22.19 to 22.22 and 40.72

Do you care what happens to unbelievers ?

As for crime, the Quran says cut off the hands of a thief. Surah 5.38
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Originally Posted by heydarian saeed View Post
Given that my religion is Islam, I used the Quran, which is a documentary. And my method of reasoning is to use the verses of this book to examine the experiences of scientists in the field of astronomy, space and medicine in this regard.
I concluded at the end of the article to prove the existence of the supernatural.
Consider this: Qur'anic scientific foreknowledge

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Originally Posted by heydarian saeed View Post
Hello. I wish you good health. The Qur'an begins with science and knowledge. Isn't reading and learning joyful? In the Qur'an and the religion of Islam, everything is happiness. The principles of happiness in the Qur'an are: a positive and clear view of worldly life and the use of all blessings - caring for health - avoiding sorrow and despair - remembering God. Aren't these joys? Of course, the joy caused by pride, arrogance and drunkenness is rejected in the Qur'an and Islam. And the reason is that man becomes unconscious. And he may commit a crime. Doesn't this law have a special place in human societies?All countries care about preventing and combating corruption and crime. Happiness is right and according to the principles, there is no problem. My family and I always travel and have fun and enjoy life. And we are always happy. The Qur'an advises the family and happiness by avoiding extremism.
... Imagination and daydreaming and judgment based on suspicion have no place in the Qur'an. The Qur'an cares about existence. Recommends what is and is real. Thank you for your comments.
I have to say, you certainly are ignorant to whom you are addressing in this forum
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heydarian saeed, you claimed to have a proof of the supernatural and we are waiting for the proof. Anything less will be viewed as stalling or making excuses. You need to deliver, without discussion or homework assignments first. Time to pony up, brah.
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There is no doubt about the existence of the "soul".
You are mistaken. There is very considerable doubt about the existence of the "soul". There is very widespread belief that no such thing exists.
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Old 9th August 2021, 12:48 AM   #116
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This is sad, really. Because Arabic study many centuries ago brought us many great advances in human knowledge, most of which were not predicted or described in the Qur'an. And then the Muslim world turned away from science.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catego...slamic_science
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Old 9th August 2021, 04:08 AM   #117
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Originally Posted by Pixel42 View Post
When I read the Qu'ran a few years ago I was surprised, and very disappointed, to discover that it consisted almost entirely of rants about nonbelievers, and how important it was for believers to have nothing to do with them, interspersed with bits of the Bible. I had assumed it would contain at least a few uplifting verses, but I could nothing informative or valuable in it at all.

This attempt to relate the vaguest of statements in it to recent scientific discoveries by gold medal worthy feats of mental gymnastics seems to me to be about as pathetic as it's possible to get.


Thnx for saving me the time I might've spent reading it. Actually not hardly.
Everything I read, see, and hear about it reeks.

Bronze age cult.
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Old 9th August 2021, 04:11 AM   #118
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On the other hand, a cross country friend consistently knows what vegetable I am eating or what color I am painting, and her family says she has always done it.
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Old 9th August 2021, 04:18 AM   #119
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Originally Posted by heydarian saeed View Post
Hello. I wish you good health. The Qur'an begins with science and knowledge. Isn't reading and learning joyful? In the Qur'an and the religion of Islam, everything is happiness. The principles of happiness in the Qur'an are: a positive and clear view of worldly life and the use of all blessings - caring for health - avoiding sorrow and despair - remembering God. Aren't these joys? Of course, the joy caused by pride, arrogance and drunkenness is rejected in the Qur'an and Islam. And the reason is that man becomes unconscious. And he may commit a crime. Doesn't this law have a special place in human societies?All countries care about preventing and combating corruption and crime. Happiness is right and according to the principles, there is no problem. My family and I always travel and have fun and enjoy life. And we are always happy. The Qur'an advises the family and happiness by avoiding extremism.
... Imagination and daydreaming and judgment based on suspicion have no place in the Qur'an. The Qur'an cares about existence. Recommends what is and is real. Thank you for your comments.


Flush the Quran, please.
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Old 9th August 2021, 04:26 AM   #120
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Originally Posted by Bubba View Post
Thnx for saving me the time I might've spent reading it. Actually not hardly.
Everything I read, see, and hear about it reeks.

Bronze age cult.
Islam did not develop in the bronze age.
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