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Old 7th August 2021, 09:25 AM   #81
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DeSantis is really ******* the neighbor's dog on COVID-19. He looked sort of presidential during the condo collapse and then flushed it all away with his weird ass response to the Delta varriant. He's now underwater on his approval rating with only 44 percent liking how he's doing his job. A strong, moderate Dem could probably unseat him in 2022. That would tank his 2024 presidential aspirations. Losing your office is not a great launch pad for a presidential campaign.
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But the border*! The borrrderrrrrr!!!

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Florida is only going to get worse and worse. The death toll from COVID there is going to skyrocket. Desantis is going to have a problem being seen in public in the next couple of months.
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Old 7th August 2021, 01:51 PM   #82
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Operating rooms can have blood squirting all over the place and germs and sweat etc from the docs/nurses can drop into open bodies.

Have you ever thought about this?
So they wear masks to keep "germs" from dropping all over the open body of a patient. You do realize viruses are 'germs' and dropping that onto an open body is no different than a person breathing the 'germ' into their lungs or putting it in their mouth, don't you?

You disprove your own claim with your own words. As the saying goes: Give someone enough rope....
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And the millions of OLD folks in FL all had jabs and probably all this is shedding and superspreaders. The old folks in FL are in god's waiting room, long before covid. And how many of the old folks are popping immune system Supports? Probably ZERO. Sitting around jabbed and muzzled. Yep this is the Truth.

The jabs are working, taking down all the old folks and immune compromised. The Libs plan.
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Old 7th August 2021, 02:39 PM   #84
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Republicans treated Covid like a bioweapon. Then it turned against them

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Nevertheless, Democratic governors, Native nations and people with moderate-to-leftwing views have done a better job of protecting against this scourge. The worst-hit areas in the country are now Republican-led states and regions. At one point recently, Florida under raging science denier Governor Ron DeSantis, with about 7.5% of the US population, accounted for 20% of all new Covid cases.
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Measuring the impact of the pandemic by its death toll leaves out other impacts that matter: millions of schoolchildren isolated and undereducated, millions of parents exhausted by double duty, millions of small businesses shuttered, millions unemployed and impoverished, their dreams crushed, millions isolated and anxious, millions grieving the dead. Medical workers who were selflessly heroic the first time around are demoralized now that the hospitalised are so often people who could have been vaccinated, could have been careful, but chose not to. The poison runs through everything. Some of it was spread on purpose.
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Old 7th August 2021, 02:39 PM   #85
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
So they wear masks to keep "germs" from dropping all over the open body of a patient. You do realize viruses are 'germs' and dropping that onto an open body is no different than a person breathing the 'germ' into their lungs or putting it in their mouth, don't you?

You disprove your own claim with your own words. As the saying goes: Give someone enough rope....
Our bodies are loaded with viruses. When did the U.S. start forcing masks????
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Old 7th August 2021, 02:52 PM   #86
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In 1905 Boston issued a mandate for its citizens to get vaccinated for smallpox. Teams of doctors along with police went door to door to vaccinate individuals. If you refused they held you down and vaccinated you.

This mandate was appealed to the United States Supreme Court. The court ruled that the mandate was legal.
George Washington required Continental Army soldiers to be vaccinated against smallpox.
Therefore anti-vaxxers like Caroline are grossly unpatriotic, hate the father of the USA and should be expelled immediately.
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Originally Posted by Caroline13 View Post
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And the millions of OLD folks in FL all had jabs and probably all this is shedding and superspreaders. The old folks in FL are in god's waiting room, long before covid. And how many of the old folks are popping immune system Supports? Probably ZERO. Sitting around jabbed and muzzled. Yep this is the Truth.

The jabs are working, taking down all the old folks and immune compromised. The Libs plan.
Why do you hate the elderly? Do you think they should be euthanised when they become a burden?
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Old 7th August 2021, 03:00 PM   #88
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Our bodies are loaded with viruses. When did the U.S. start forcing masks????
At least 103 years ago.

https://www.history.com/news/1918-pa...alth-campaigns
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Old 7th August 2021, 03:02 PM   #89
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After graduating from Yale University and Harvard Law School, DeSantis served as an officer and attorney in the United States Navy's Judge Advocate General's Corps.
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(John Heywood and Jonathan Swift, paraphrased.)
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Originally Posted by Caroline13 View Post
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And the millions of OLD folks in FL all had jabs and probably all this is shedding and superspreaders. The old folks in FL are in god's waiting room, long before covid. And how many of the old folks are popping immune system Supports? Probably ZERO. Sitting around jabbed and muzzled. Yep this is the Truth.

The jabs are working, taking down all the old folks and immune compromised. The Libs plan.
Tut tut. Restating a lie does not make it less of a lie - not even when bolded.

I think part of my previous post is relevant in this circumstance:
“….The only difference is they/you have access to a keyboard and there’s no IQ test required to drive one. It’s just so much easier to make up your own adventure.

Much like villages came up with local superstitions through ignorance, really, but without the geographical constraints. Another way of looking it is that the village idiots are now unencumbered by the village.”
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Old 7th August 2021, 03:15 PM   #92
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In 1905 Boston issued a mandate for its citizens to get vaccinated for smallpox. Teams of doctors along with police went door to door to vaccinate individuals. If you refused they held you down and vaccinated you.

This mandate was appealed to the United States Supreme Court. The court ruled that the mandate was legal.
The Court was all Libtards! Teddy Roosevelt was a commie! The vaccine killed millions! They burned the bodies in FEMA Camps! Smallpox germs have a right to live too! #hurrahforsmallpox
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The Court was all Libtards! Teddy Roosevelt was a commie! The vaccine killed millions! They burned the bodies in FEMA Camps! Smallpox germs have a right to live too! #hurrahforsmallpox
That must be it. The Rough Rider Republican must have been a liberal.
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Funny how the frail and elderly are doing much better here in New England. I guess our governors aren't as hungry for blood.
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And the millions of OLD folks in FL all had jabs and probably all this is shedding and superspreaders. The old folks in FL are in god's waiting room, long before covid. And how many of the old folks are popping immune system Supports? Probably ZERO. Sitting around jabbed and muzzled. Yep this is the Truth.

The jabs are working, taking down all the old folks and immune compromised. The Libs plan.
I know you'll totally ignore this and refuse to answer me because it opposes your worldview and you don't want anything that is contrary to your ideology to exist but have a go anyways and answer me two simple questions.

If it is the vaccines that are killing people then...

1) Why are over 99% of the deaths from Covid-19 amongst the unvaccinated?

and...

2) Here in New Zealand we have over 20% of the population vaccinated with the first shot and just under 20% with the second, yet the only 25 cases we have at this time are those that have come into the country from overseas and are still in managed isolation at the border. If the vaccines are responsible for turning people into shedders and super spreaders, how do you account for the zero transmission rates in the New Zealand community despite more than 1 in 5 people having been vaccinated with at least one shot?
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I know you'll totally ignore this and refuse to answer me because it opposes your worldview and you don't want anything that is contrary to your ideology to exist but have a go anyways and answer me two simple questions.

If it is the vaccines that are killing people then...

1) Why are over 99% of the deaths from Covid-19 amongst the unvaccinated?

and...

2) Here in New Zealand we have over 20% of the population vaccinated with the first shot and just under 20% with the second, yet the only 25 cases we have at this time are those that have come into the country from overseas and are still in managed isolation at the border. If the vaccines are responsible for turning people into shedders and super spreaders, how do you account for the zero transmission rates in the New Zealand community despite more than 1 in 5 people having been vaccinated with at least one shot?
Don't use logic. The anti-vaxxers don't understand logic.
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And MOST all I hear have degrees up the yangyang, but are NOT fear mongers like the Dems have been. And they push Vit C, Vit D etc....when did Joe and Tony mention these????/ NEVER, NEVER, NEVER... It's jab mask jab mask jab mask...

What do you know of 'The Scientific Method'?
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Our bodies are loaded with viruses. When did the U.S. start forcing masks????
How many of those have killed 616,000 people in a year and a half?

How is wearing masks killing people?

Good god, why am I even responding to this load of crap? I might as well be trying to use logic on a box of rocks. Not any more. You can't fix.....

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How many of those have killed 616,000 people in a year and a half?

How is wearing masks killing people?

Good god, why am I even responding to this load of crap? I might as well be trying to use logic on a box of rocks. Not any more. You can't fix.....
New Stats.

620,404 Americans dead from COVID

Florida set records for new COVID cases
Wednesday 21,683
Thursday 22,783
Friday 22,783

On Saturday, Florida recorded 13,747 hospitalizations related to Covid-19, with at least 2,753 patients in intensive care units statewide, accounting for 43 percent of the intensive care units beds available in the state.
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620,404 Americans dead from COVID

Florida set records for new COVID cases
Wednesday 21,683
Thursday 22,783
Friday 22,783

On Saturday, Florida recorded 13,747 hospitalizations related to Covid-19, with at least 2,753 patients in intensive care units statewide, accounting for 43 percent of the intensive care units beds available in the state.
What are the odds?
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What are the odds?
Those aren't 'odds'; those are recorded C19 deaths.
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Those aren't 'odds'; those are recorded C19 deaths.
New infections, but he was meaning that both days would have the same number of recorded infections.
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New infections, but he was meaning that both days would have the same number of recorded infections.
My mistake.

On Saturday, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported 23,903 new COVID-19 cases on Friday. The day before was another record-breaker: 22,783 new novel coronavirus cases.

How unsurprising that Warp12 focuses on what is obviously a simple mistake instead of focusing on what the numbers are showing: steadily increasing cases of Covid in FL thanks to DeSantis' idiotic policies.
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How unsurprising that Warp12 focuses on what is obviously a simple mistake instead of focusing on what the numbers are showing: steadily increasing cases of Covid in FL thanks to DeSantis' idiotic policies.
Incorrect. The fact of the matter is, the way these numbers are reported is often dependent on the day of the week. For example, you will often see that the death numbers magically are vastly lower Saturday through Monday.

I have seen at least one state reporting backlogged cases, when they could get to them...leading to completely inaccurate reported numbers.

I think we can all agree, that if the numbers for both days are exactly the same, when of that magnitude, that we might look for a different source or explanation.
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Incorrect. The fact of the matter is, the way these numbers are reported is often dependent on the day of the week. For example, you will often see that the death numbers magically are vastly lower Saturday through Monday.

I have seen at least one state reporting backlogged cases, when they could get to them...leading to completely inaccurate reported numbers.

I think we can all agree, that if the numbers for both days are exactly the same, when of that magnitude, that we might look for a different source or explanation.
Um...no. That was not a copy paste quote cited from a website. That was obviously a mistake by acbytesla. He just pasted the same number from one day for the next day, too. Just stop being so disingenuous. You fool no one.
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Um...no. That was not a copy paste quote cited from a website. That was obviously a mistake by acbytesla. He just pasted the same number from one day for the next day, too. Just stop being so disingenuous. You fool no one.
Based on what I have seen with shoddy reporting of these numbers (as I explained), I would not assume that. But, you can assume whatever you like.
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Based on what I have seen with shoddy reporting of these numbers, I would not assume that. But, you can assume whatever you like.
If your benchmark for "shoddy reporting if these numbers" is based on the fact that the numbers for weekends are often delayed to Monday or Tuesday, something that has occurred since the numbers were first reported last year, and why most serious people use weekly totals, then that's a pretty low bar.
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If your benchmark for "shoddy reporting if these numbers" is based on the fact that the numbers for weekends are often delayed to Monday or Tuesday, something that has occurred since the numbers were first reported last year, and why most serious people use weekly totals, then that's a pretty low bar.
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I have seen at least one state reporting backlogged cases, when they could get to them...leading to completely inaccurate reported numbers.
Any other options we might want to throw in, and excuse, when someone quotes daily totals? You folks are comical.
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If your benchmark for "shoddy reporting if these numbers" is based on the fact that the numbers for weekends are often delayed to Monday or Tuesday, something that has occurred since the numbers were first reported last year, and why most serious people use weekly totals, then that's a pretty low bar.
Some people have to grasp for straws because that's all they've got. Pathetic.
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Any other options we might want to throw in, and excuse, when someone quotes daily totals? You folks are comical.
Well then how about that the 10-day number from Jun 25 was 15,998, The 10-day number from July 30th was 134,506. A ten-fold increase in just one month, but hey, you just keep on laughing it up.
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Some people have to grasp for straws because that's all they've got. Pathetic.
What straws? Straws like the same exact number of high volume cases reported for two days is suspect? For me, if my source reports that, I am looking for another source, or relying on a different metric.

I think you are caught up in your feelings, again. You somehow see this as a defense of DeSantis, when it is not. It is commentary on the numbers, and the odds of them being exactly the same. No more, no less.
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Well then how about that the 10-day number on Jun 25 was 15,998, The 10-day number on July 30th was 134,506. A ten-fold increase in just one month, but hey, you just keep on laughing it up.
Did I dispute anything of the sort? My comment was on the numbers, as posted, being an unlikely coincidence. You even clarified that. That is pointing to the source, not the overall data.
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
Any other options we might want to throw in, and excuse, when someone quotes daily totals? You folks are comical.
You want to focus on an obvious number paste mistake by acbytesla in an attempt to deflect from the fact that DeSantis is doing a crap job re Covid.

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About 1 in 5 Covid-19 cases have been reported in Florida over the past couple weeks, though the state accounts for less than 7% of the US population, according to US Census Bureau data.

With the data published Friday, Florida now has the second-highest rate of new cases per capita – after Louisiana – with about 90 new cases per 100,000 people each day over the past week. Overall, the United States is averaging about 30 new cases per 100,000 people each day.

Florida reported 175 deaths and a new case positivity rate of 18.9%, state data shows.

Even before the release of Friday’s data, Florida had become the epicenter of the Covid-19 pandemic in the US, which is reeling from a surge of cases and hospitalizations propelled by the Delta variant.

In addition to infections, hospitalizations are also climbing. The state has the highest number of hospitalizations per capita nationwide, with 63 hospitalizations per 100,000 residents, according to a CNN analysis of Johns Hopkins and US Health and Human Services data.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/06/us/fl...day/index.html

Why this need to make excuses for it?
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Did I dispute anything of the sort? My comment was on the numbers, as posted, being an unlikely coincidence. You even clarified that. That is pointing to the source, not the overall data.
And as Stacyhs pointed out, the source was correct, it was the poster that seems to have messed up the numbers. Instead of making a big thing about how untrustworthy the numbers are, you could have just asked acbytesla if he'd accidentally misread the numbers while typing the post.
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Why this need to make excuses for it?
Seriously, what are you talking about?
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Did I dispute anything of the sort? My comment was on the numbers, as posted, being an unlikely coincidence. You even clarified that. That is pointing to the source, not the overall data.
Bull. It was an obvious mistake by acbystesla, not the source.
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And as Stacyhs pointed out, the source was correct, it was the poster that seems to have messed up the numbers. Instead of making a big thing about how untrustworthy the numbers are, you could have just asked acbytesla if he'd accidentally misread the numbers while typing the post.
Exactly. The disingenuousness of Warp12's posts are obvious. It's just trolling.
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Seriously, what are you talking about?
No one else is having trouble understanding what I'm saying.
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
Exactly. The disingenuousness of Warp12's posts are obvious. It's just trolling.
Yeah, sure, that's it.

I'll just assume that the numbers were quoted wrong, even after I watched the numbers daily, for months...and witnessed crazy variations and retractions, right? That's why the source is very important...especially if you are going to quote daily numbers....which I would not quote, honestly.

I don't even dispute the overall trend, or try to defend DeSantis...but, that isn't good enough. Ridiculous.
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