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Old 28th September 2021, 06:47 AM   #281
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Originally Posted by Marcus View Post
Dog the Bounty Hunter says he found a camping site where he is sure the fugitive and his family had been camping. Don't know if it is true or not but it at least seems possible.
Wonder when the tv show will air.
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Old 28th September 2021, 07:03 AM   #282
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Dog the Bounty Hunter says he found a camping site where he is sure the fugitive and his family had been camping. Don't know if it is true or not but it at least seems possible.
I suppose it at least seems possible for Dogg to find a campsite, and signs of camping at a campsite.

But honestly this was sarcasm:
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I agree. We should totally make this thread be about Dogg the Bounty Hunter. Forget what's her name the dead girl. Forget the prime suspect. Tell us more about this Dogg fellow and why you don't like him.
I firmly believe we should *not* include Dogg's antics in this thread.
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Old 28th September 2021, 07:08 AM   #283
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
I suppose it at least seems possible for Dogg to find a campsite, and signs of camping at a campsite.

But honestly this was sarcasm:


I firmly believe we should *not* include Dogg's antics in this thread.
Dogg and Walsh and any other clout vulture that gets attracted to this media circus are as relevant to this thread as anything else.
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Old 28th September 2021, 07:17 AM   #284
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
Dogg and Walsh and any other clout vulture that gets attracted to this media circus are as relevant to this thread as anything else.
I disagree. Not only that, but in adding him to the discussion you're doing exactly what he wants. You're putting his name out there and boosting his publicity. That's the whole reason he's getting involved. So that his name will be spread far and wide in every venue.

We have the choice right now to cut it off here.
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Old 28th September 2021, 07:26 AM   #285
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Not that this is important, but it's just 'Dog', not 'Dogg', even if that makes more sense as a nickname and the hair deserves more than one g.
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Old 28th September 2021, 07:28 AM   #286
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Brian and his family had weeks to come up with something. How much opportunity do they need? I don't see what's implausible about them sending Brian off with some cash, and then pointing the cops in a different direction. As long as we're speculating, that seems like a possibility.
In the first place, the guy I asked is proposing they might have gotten him out of the country. That's a bit of a hurdle under police scrutiny. What you're suggesting is far less specific.

And "weeks"? When did they have weeks to plan something? They only had weeks if they premeditated the murder with him. The only weeks they had after the murder they were under scrutiny. And Brian was accounted for several times during those weeks. If they planned something elaborate during those weeks they have the problem that there plan has to work while a lot of people are watching them.
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I guess Dog's better than one of the go-to "Psychics." At least he's just an idiot and doesn't pretend to have magic powers.
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Old 28th September 2021, 07:31 AM   #288
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
I disagree. Not only that, but in adding him to the discussion you're doing exactly what he wants. You're putting his name out there and boosting his publicity. That's the whole reason he's getting involved. So that his name will be spread far and wide in every venue.

We have the choice right now to cut it off here.
The media circus is the story. People get murdered by their romantic partners all the time and it's not national news. The only thing this case has is that je ne sais quoi that makes it a big story, the same salaciousness that also draws the vultures.
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Old 28th September 2021, 07:45 AM   #289
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I suppose it at least seems possible for Dogg to find a campsite, and signs of camping at a campsite.

But honestly this was sarcasm:


I firmly believe we should *not* include Dogg's antics in this thread.
He is probably hoping to restart his TV career, his current show was cancelled before it even aired. He is an actual bounty hunter though, despite his TV antics, so he could make a contribution.
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I think people don't "get" that Florida isn't one giant theme park and has MASSIVE (on the scale of any other state) areas of deep wilderness.

The T. Mabry Carlton Reserve where the search for Laundrie is focused is 25,000 acres, 99.99% of which is completely undeveloped swamp.
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Old 28th September 2021, 07:57 AM   #291
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I think people don't "get" that Florida isn't one giant theme park and has MASSIVE (on the scale of any other state) areas of deep wilderness.

The T. Mabry Carlton Reserve where the search for Laundrie is focused is 25,000 acres, 99.99% of which is completely undeveloped swamp.
You've also got alligators. People disappear when they're not trying to hide.
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Old 28th September 2021, 08:02 AM   #293
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The media circus is the story. People get murdered by their romantic partners all the time and it's not national news. The only thing this case has is that je ne sais quoi that makes it a big story, the same salaciousness that also draws the vultures.
Well, it's more than that. For one thing, they were an internet presence. A lot of people were following their posts and videos of their RV trip. For another, she was officially missing for days before she was found. There was a massive search for someone who could have been lost alive in the wilderness or maybe even kidnapped. For another, the prime suspect is missing now, and is also the subject of a massive search. This is way more than a typical drunken assault and an arrest at the scene.
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Well, it's more than that. For one thing, they were an internet presence. A lot of people were following their posts and videos of their RV trip. For another, she was officially missing for days before she was found. There was a massive search for someone who could have been lost alive in the wilderness or maybe even kidnapped. For another, the prime suspect is missing now, and is also the subject of a massive search. This is way more than a typical drunken assault and an arrest at the scene.
Well yeah but that's sort of circular.
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Old 28th September 2021, 08:09 AM   #295
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In the first place, the guy I asked is proposing they might have gotten him out of the country. That's a bit of a hurdle under police scrutiny. What you're suggesting is far less specific.

And "weeks"? When did they have weeks to plan something? They only had weeks if they premeditated the murder with him. The only weeks they had after the murder they were under scrutiny. And Brian was accounted for several times during those weeks. If they planned something elaborate during those weeks they have the problem that there plan has to work while a lot of people are watching them.
Well, apparently the police scrutiny wasn't that intense, or they would have known where he went. They obviously didn't have him under surveillance. And before he was charged with theft, he was free to go anywhere, including out of the country. If he had driven across the Canadian or Mexican borders, there might not even be a record. How much money and planning would it take to get outta town?
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I'm not getting "Criminal Mastermind" vibes off this guy.
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Old 28th September 2021, 08:15 AM   #297
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Well yeah but that's sort of circular.
If she had been murdered in a motel and he had been arrested at the scene, it wouldn't get much attention. The fact that they were internet celebrities to a tiny degree and the subject of a massive police investigation to resolve multiple unanswered questions makes it news.
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Well, apparently the police scrutiny wasn't that intense, or they would have known where he went. They obviously didn't have him under surveillance. And before he was charged with theft, he was free to go anywhere, including out of the country. If he had driven across the Canadian or Mexican borders, there might not even be a record. How much money and planning would it take to get outta town?
A lot of money and planning, if you want to sustain it for more than a week or so. Say he's crossed the border into Canadia. Now what? He has no job. He can't use any of the resources attached to his identity - bank accounts, credit cards, etc. How is he getting food? How is he getting shelter? Did his dad cash out ten grand and send him on his way with a fat stack of twenties in his backpack? Did he go on the dark web and buy a complete identity package?

This is a middle class American family, not Danny Ocean meticulously plotting a heist and a clean getaway. They probably didn't come up with anything more elaborate than "hide out in the nearby nature preserve while we try to figure out what to do".
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A lot of money and planning, if you want to sustain it for more than a week or so. Say he's crossed the border into Canadia. Now what? He has no job. He can't use any of the resources attached to his identity - bank accounts, credit cards, etc. How is he getting food? How is he getting shelter? Did his dad cash out ten grand and send him on his way with a fat stack of twenties in his backpack? Did he go on the dark web and buy a complete identity package?

This is a middle class American family, not Danny Ocean meticulously plotting a heist and a clean getaway. They probably didn't come up with anything more elaborate than "hide out in the nearby nature preserve while we try to figure out what to do".
I didn't say he'd be successful. Most wanted criminals get caught sooner or later, and if he's alive I'm sure he will be. I think he could have acted on a instinct to "Run!" without thinking too far ahead. And a "middle-class American family" could easily have sent him off with a few grand.
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Well, apparently the police scrutiny wasn't that intense, or they would have known where he went. They obviously didn't have him under surveillance. And before he was charged with theft, he was free to go anywhere, including out of the country. If he had driven across the Canadian or Mexican borders, there might not even be a record. How much money and planning would it take to get outta town?
OK. So when did he do this and how did he get transportation without leaving a paper trail?

Are you thinking police are wrong about knowing where he was on the 16th? And that maybe he absconded on the 11th in the camper? I can only see that working if police are wrong about the 16th date.
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Maybe the real Brian Laundrie is the friends we make along the way.
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OK. So when did he do this and how did he get transportation without leaving a paper trail?

Are you thinking police are wrong about knowing where he was on the 16th? And that maybe he absconded on the 11th in the camper? I can only see that working if police are wrong about the 16th date.
I haven't followed the details very closely, but he wasn't charged with anything until Sept. 22. He reportedly returned home alone Sept. 1. That's plenty of time to develop some kind of plan. The police seized the van on Sept. 14 at his parents' house. He didn't take it anywhere. On Sept. 17, his parents said he went camping in the swamp. There's no report from anybody else confirming it.
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He walked out in the swamp and ate a gun it will be a small miracle if he's found.

Ironically it might easier to find him if he's alive.
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I haven't followed the details very closely, but he wasn't charged with anything until Sept. 22. He reportedly returned home alone Sept. 1. That's plenty of time to develop some kind of plan. The police seized the van on Sept. 14 at his parents' house. He didn't take it anywhere. On Sept. 17, his parents said he went camping in the swamp. There's no report from anybody else confirming it.
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Yeah, that's a pretty long time, even for someone flying by the seat of their pants. Plenty of time to make a plan for either to try to escape or kill yourself or whatever.
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That's plenty of time to develop some kind of plan.
Well, yeah, but the point is: What kind of plan? I'm not hearing a plausible plan for getting him out of the country.

Only plausible way I see is if the police are wrong about when they lost track of him.

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Well, yeah, but the point is: What kind of plan? I'm not hearing a plausible plan for getting him out of the country.
Getting out of the country isn't that hard, it's remaining somewhere else undetected for long that's the tricky part.
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Getting out of the country isn't that hard, it's remaining somewhere else undetected for long that's the tricky part.
Well, yeah, it is hard when both your vehicles aren't available to you, you're a thousand miles from any border, and your name and picture are all over the news.

Some people appear to be more invested in this idea than the currently known facts would warrant.
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Well, yeah, it is hard when both your vehicles aren't available to you, you're a thousand miles from any border, and your name and picture are all over the news.

Some people appear to be more invested in this idea than the currently known facts would warrant.
It's funny, through the course of this forum thread I've read multiple articles and seen multiple pics and video clips, but for the life of me can't really recall exactly what this guy looks like. He could walk past me on the street and I wouldn't recognize him. Maybe I'm just dumb, but I really doubt people would be recognizing him that easily even with the coverage unless he was acting especially suspicious.
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Well, yeah, it is hard when both your vehicles aren't available to you, you're a thousand miles from any border, and your name and picture are all over the news.

Some people appear to be more invested in this idea than the currently known facts would warrant.
Shaving his beard and wearing a cap would have changed his appearance pretty substantially. It's not like everybody on the street was looking for him. And before he was charged, it wouldn't matter if some random person noticed him. He could even have used his real ID if he needed to. You can buy bus tickets for cash. I understand Greyhound asks for ID, but it's not legally required, and other companies, especially the shoe-string operations, might not. And you can walk across the borders.

And speculation runs wild pretty easily because not enough actual facts are known.

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And before he was charged, it wouldn't matter if some random person noticed him.
Yeah, but there are no good reports of people now saying "yeah, I saw him then".
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And speculation runs wild pretty easily because not enough actual facts are known.
Some of the speculation here seems to be ignoring known facts.
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Not that this is important, but it's just 'Dog', not 'Dogg', even if that makes more sense as a nickname and the hair deserves more than one g.
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Well, yeah, it is hard when both your vehicles aren't available to you, you're a thousand miles from any border, and your name and picture are all over the news.

Some people appear to be more invested in this idea than the currently known facts would warrant.
He’s only a few hours charter boat to any of the thousands of Bahamian islands that are pretty much off the grid.

Not too difficult to find a guy going fishing and slip him a hundred to take you out of country.

Also, the whole “no one can survive in the swamps” stuff is not true. It would be very unpleasant, but with some iodine tablets totally doable.

I think, though, that he ran for it in the nature preserve and died. Either by suicide, alligator, snake, bear, or dehydration due to stupidity(there’s water everywhere!, just don’t drink it or you might literally **** yourself to death.)
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I guess Dog's better than one of the go-to "Psychics." At least he's just an idiot and doesn't pretend to have magic powers.
I honestly didn't know Dogg the Bounty Hunter was real before this thread. I thought he was a South Park character, an alter-ego of Cartman.
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A lot of money and planning, if you want to sustain it for more than a week or so. Say he's crossed the border into Canadia. Now what? He has no job. He can't use any of the resources attached to his identity - bank accounts, credit cards, etc. How is he getting food? How is he getting shelter? Did his dad cash out ten grand and send him on his way with a fat stack of twenties in his backpack? Did he go on the dark web and buy a complete identity package?

This is a middle class American family, not Danny Ocean meticulously plotting a heist and a clean getaway. They probably didn't come up with anything more elaborate than "hide out in the nearby nature preserve while we try to figure out what to do".
I talked with my boss about this the other day at lunch. It seems like a pretty hard thing to pull off without creating a paper trail. I have about $100 in change at any one time, if I’m lucky. I can pull $400/day out of my checking account, but even that creates a record. I could withdraw much more in person, but then how do I stay free once the kid disappears?

With the timeline I suppose the kid could take a bunch of my stuff to a pawn shop and then I could go buy it back without pressing charges. But do pawn shops even want my valuable stuff? Especially when it looks pretty stolen.

That being said, a relative facing a third strike marijuana possession in the nineties disappeared to an island. He’s married with kids and living in Europe, from what I understand. Can’t come back to Texas, nervous about even coming to the US, but no real push to extradite small time drug possession charges from over 20 years ago. But at the time he skipped he was facing decades of jail time. Another law that favored the rich.
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He’s only a few hours charter boat to any of the thousands of Bahamian islands that are pretty much off the grid.
That leaves a trail though. But at least it could fit the available time.

BTW that requires a passport and no one seems to know if he had one.
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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith View Post
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That being said, a relative facing a third strike marijuana possession in the nineties disappeared to an island. He’s married with kids and living in Europe, from what I understand. Can’t come back to Texas, nervous about even coming to the US, but no real push to extradite small time drug possession charges from over 20 years ago. But at the time he skipped he was facing decades of jail time. Another law that favored the rich.
Could he do something to get cleared and visit the U.S. if he wanted? It's hard to imagine this would be a high priority for anybody today.
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Could he do something to get cleared and visit the U.S. if he wanted? It's hard to imagine this would be a high priority for anybody today.
This IS Texas he's talking about.
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Originally Posted by chrispy View Post
This IS Texas he's talking about.
Huh?

The murder happened in Wyoming and the manhunt is in Florida.

ETA: Oh never mind, Bob001's story, not the broader OP. Never mind.
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There are a lot (and I mean A LOT) of foreigners living somewhat in my area who are running from the law in various countries. Many if not most are completely off grid or have been here so long that they've given up worrying about anyone looking for them. It is very possible to just disappear with very little $$ and still make it work. Do I think that is what happened? No. I think he's most likely dead.
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BTW has anyone brought up the Wyoming/Idaho/Yellowstone Zone of Death thing in relation to this case? The body wasn't found that far from it.
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