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Old 7th October 2021, 03:44 AM   #361
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Bubba, darling, you're back again!

Any chance of you addressing those issues with that Zelenko paper I mentioned earlier? I just want to be sure that you have actually read the"research" of those you trumpet and fully understand what they found...All in the interests of clarity, dear boy.
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Old 7th October 2021, 07:34 AM   #362
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Originally Posted by Tippit View Post
You would have to be a rube to believe the Covid mortality statistics. First of all, virtually every death listed with Covid carries Covid as the cause of death. In fact, hospitals are subsidized for Covid deaths, and even specifically for ventilator usage, so this behavior is incentivized. Aggregate Covid deaths also serve as the numerator for the Covid Infection Fatality Rate (IFR), so this rate is inflated as well. Second there is both a paucity of testing and reliability of Covid testing which overall deflates the denominator. The PCR tests are all but useless, especially if the cycle threshold is gamed to obtain a desired result.

This calls into question all Covid-related statistics.

As for the repugnant virtue signaling and guilt shaming, save it for yourself for the future ADE victims of the experimental gene therapy you promote.

Covid isn't nearly as deadly as everyone thinks, and it is treatable without undergoing gene therapies with unknown future risks.
Oh goody, a fringe reset.
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Old 7th October 2021, 08:24 AM   #363
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Originally Posted by Tippit View Post
As for the repugnant virtue signaling and guilt shaming, save it for yourself for the future ADE victims of the experimental gene therapy you promote.
If you mean the mRNA vaccines, they are fully approved. And they are not "gene therapy." They have zero ability to affect the recipient's DNA. If you're worried about mRNA technology (which you shouldn't be), there are traditionally formulated vaccines available.
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Old 7th October 2021, 08:30 AM   #364
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Oh goody, a fringe reset.
Party like it’s 2020 all over again!
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Old 7th October 2021, 09:14 AM   #365
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An antivaxxer in Maryland killed his brother, a pharmacist, for dispensing Covid vaccines. He also murdered his brother’s wife, and his own mother.

Thanks, Covid conspiracy crackpots and antivaxxers in general! You pushed an unstable guy into a triple murder with your lies! Isn’t that a little more directly satisfying than just watching people needlessly die of Covid because they believed you?

Oh, and by the way: **** you.
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Old 7th October 2021, 10:20 AM   #366
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Originally Posted by gypsyjackson View Post
Oh goody, a fringe reset.
Same debunked dangerous misinformation, different day. Still wrong, still cement-headed.
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Hope this hasn't been posted .. It seems like he actually said this!

New Hampshire Republican state Representative Ken Weyler shocked constituents. when he stated (for the record) that the vaccine contains tiny, living, moving tentacled creatures, and "5G"
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Old 7th October 2021, 10:38 AM   #368
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Originally Posted by Ron Swanson View Post
Hope this hasn't been posted .. It seems like he actually said this!

New Hampshire Republican state Representative Ken Weyler shocked constituents. when he stated (for the record) that the vaccine contains tiny, living, moving tentacled creatures, and "5G"
Weyler then **** his pants and ate a Band-Aid he found on the sidewalk.
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Old 7th October 2021, 10:42 AM   #369
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Originally Posted by Roger Ramjets View Post
Whether Covid-19 was a 'lab leak' or not is irrelevant. It's here regardless, and the origin doesn't change how we need to deal with it.

You got Covid-19 and survived? 707,000 Americans didn't. ~10.1 million are suffering long term health issues from it. And the pandemic isn't over yet. If we were to rely totally on natural immunity those figures could easily be 10 times higher. But you would be fine with that, right? Because you survived, and you are the only person you care about.

But hey, there's still a chance karma will catch up with you...
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You would have to be a rube to believe the Covid mortality statistics. First of all, virtually every death listed with Covid carries Covid as the cause of death.1 In fact, hospitals are subsidized2 for Covid deaths, and even specifically for ventilator usage, so this behavior is incentivized. Aggregate Covid deaths also serve as the numerator for the Covid Infection Fatality Rate (IFR), so this rate is inflated as well. Second there is both a paucity of testing and reliability of Covid testing which overall deflates the denominator. The PCR tests are all but useless, especially if the cycle threshold is gamed to obtain a desired result. 3

This calls into question all Covid-related statistics.4

As for the repugnant virtue signaling and guilt shaming, save it for yourself for the future ADE victims of the experimental gene therapy you promote.

Covid isn't nearly as deadly as everyone thinks, and it is treatable without undergoing gene therapies with unknown future risks.5
1) Not true in many places - in the UK for example, we have three measures recorded - the death certificate data, and deaths within 28 days of a positive test shown on the government dashboard - https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths

We also have another measure in England of deaths within 60 days of a positive test. The death certificate data shows where Covid was a contributory factor in the death. the vast majority are (as discussed by the ONS) where Covid is the main cause of death. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...4september2021
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This weekly release now provides a separate breakdown of the number of deaths involving coronavirus (COVID-19); that is, where COVID-19 or suspected COVID-19 was mentioned anywhere on the death certificate, including in combination with other health conditions.

If a death certificate mentions COVID-19, it will not always be the main cause of death but may be a contributory factor. This bulletin summarises the latest weekly information and will be updated each week during the pandemic.
2) not true in the UK at least

3) Are you suggesting there is a false-negative PCR problem?

4) Evidence from multiple countries suggests otherwise. If anything there is undercounting.

https://ourworldindata.org/explorers...WE~FIN~NOR~DNK
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https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/c...WE~FIN~DNK~NOR
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5) We do have some antiviral treatments and some steroid treatments that have significant effects if taken early enough. But I am unaware of any gene therapy. If you're trying to imply that vaccines are, then you're either scientifically illiterate or disingenuous.
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Old 7th October 2021, 10:44 AM   #370
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Originally Posted by sts60 View Post
An antivaxxer in Maryland killed his brother, a pharmacist, for dispensing Covid vaccines. He also murdered his brother’s wife, and his own mother.

Thanks, Covid conspiracy crackpots and antivaxxers in general! You pushed an unstable guy into a triple murder with your lies! Isn’t that a little more directly satisfying than just watching people needlessly die of Covid because they believed you?

Oh, and by the way: **** you.
That would be Jeffrey Allen Burnham, and some members here want more of it. Because they are so filled with hate and superstition.
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Old 7th October 2021, 11:15 AM   #371
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A new paper is out that is getting the anti-vaxxxer crowd excited. Dr Malone is alread flogging it.

Publication: Current Problems in Cariology

A Report on Myocarditis Adverse Events in the U.S. Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) in Association with COVID-19 Injectable Biological Products

https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...46280621002267

The paper uses a lot of obviously biased language, eg:

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These findings suggest a markedly higher risk for myocarditis subsequent to COVID-19 injectable product use than for other known vaccines, and this is well above known background rates for myocarditis. COVID-19 injectable products are novel and have a genetic, pathogenic mechanism of action causing uncontrolled expression of SARS-CoV-2 spike protein within human cells.
This may not be completely nuts though. There was a recent report showing rather extreme pathology when mRNA was IV instead of IM in mice which has raised some question as to whether the abandoned practice of aspiration prior to injection should be resumed. Aspiration reduces the risk of inadvertent vascular injection. While rare (1 in 1,000 to 10,000) this may be a factor.
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Old 7th October 2021, 12:17 PM   #372
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Originally Posted by abaddon View Post
That would be Jeffrey Allen Burnham, and some members here want more of it. Because they are so filled with hate and superstition.
You know, I somehow missed that his initials were JAB. Brutal.
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Old 7th October 2021, 12:52 PM   #373
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Originally Posted by Tippit View Post
You would have to be a rube to believe the Covid mortality statistics. First of all, virtually every death listed with Covid carries Covid as the cause of death. In fact, hospitals are subsidized for Covid deaths, and even specifically for ventilator usage, so this behavior is incentivized.
You do know Medicare fraud is a crime, right? Upgrading DRG codes just to make more money will get you thrown in jail. Stating the use of a ventilator on the billing when one wasn't used will get you thrown in jail.

The hospital I worked for was audited yearly by CMS. I know this because I was the one who had to dig through the patient records from the lists of hundreds of patients CMS gave us.
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Old 7th October 2021, 03:30 PM   #374
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Originally Posted by jimbob View Post
Meanwhile on Twitter, I have a particularly stupid antivaxer asking whether this has been debunked whist telling me to not stories that I see on "tell lie vision"




I assume nobody in this thread is dim enough to think that is remotely plausible.

In fact that was what finally got the writer suspended from Twitter.
He was that ill and had a wank?

Good for him!
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Old 7th October 2021, 03:35 PM   #375
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Because "leaky" experimental gene therapy that doesn't confer sterilizing immunity, which has the potential to induce antibody dependent enhancement, which has the potential to cause escape mutation such as in Marek's disease, which was issued under an emergency use authorization for a disease that boasts a .26% (that's .0026) Infection Fatality Rate, or about one fatality in every 365 people infected, and which is heavily skewed towards elderly and co-morbid people all for a disease which is treatable, isn't really a vaccine. This is not your grandfather's polio vaccine which offered sterilizing immunity, it's something else entirely.

Because mandating that people must have potentially harmful substances with unknown long term consequences injected into their bodies against their will is the essence of totalitarianism.
But how does it impact your eyesight?
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He was that ill and had a wank?

Good for him!
How did I not notice that!
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
He was that ill and had a wank?

Good for him!
That is possibly one of the more odd aspects of the tall tale. I have myself been carted off in a happy wagon, and have been present when other family and or friends have been carted off.

How many does anyone think shuffled of a swifty?

Who exactly is it that thinks that when the EMD, police. fire crews rock up, that some nut says to wait a minute, I am almost to orgasm.

It is absurd.
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Old 7th October 2021, 04:02 PM   #378
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ANTI-VAXX PROTESTER: Do you see all of these homeless people around. Are they dead in the street with COVID? Hell no. Why?

HOMELESS PERSON (walking by): Because I’m vaccinated you dumb ****.
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“Those who would threaten to use COVID-19 as a weapon against others will be held accountable for their actions, even if the threat was a hoax,” Christopher Combs, an FBI special agent, said. “Perez’s actions were knowingly designed to spread fear and panic and today’s sentencing illustrates the seriousness of this crime,” Combs continued. “The FBI would like to thank our law enforcement partners for their help in this case.”
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Old 7th October 2021, 09:21 PM   #379
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Attention span issue?

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Repeat, do not look at the govt data sheets, cover your eyes.

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Which government, and what "data sheets"?

If you post vague nothings, why should anyone care?

You (apparently) already ignored what you are now asking for above:


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It's probably best that we focus on shooting the messenger. Most importantly, (as if ya'all need reminding) do not even look at the Medicare and NIH data sheets, from Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services Data servers, and from NIH in this presentation, brought to you by whistleblowers in government.

https://rumble.com/vn12v1-attorney-t...OeaM2mH1wOdPwo


Not vague.


Data sheets are in the video.

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I never buy into conspiracy theories, but the one that the GOP is trying to make COvid worse because they think it will hurt Biden and the Dems is one I am almost ready to sign on to.

Sounds lame because...

Why would they want more covid related voter fraud, like vote by mail?

Klobuchar and Warren were against mailed ballots as it was "very subject to fraud"
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Bubba, are you saying that all the Republican Representatives from Georgia, Arizona, etc. have been fraudulently elected?
Or does mail-in voter fraud only affect the vote for President?
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In the UK, in the first lockdown, the homeless were taken off the street and put up in the empty hotels. Did the US not do the same?
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Hope this hasn't been posted .. It seems like he actually said this!

New Hampshire Republican state Representative Ken Weyler shocked constituents. when he stated (for the record) that the vaccine contains tiny, living, moving tentacled creatures, and "5G"
Well, no point putting it off any longer. I need to upgrade my phone now that Moderna has turned my body into a 5G hot spot.
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In the UK, in the first lockdown, the homeless were taken off the street and put up in the empty hotels. Did the US not do the same?
Oh, you're so cute. No, we just had our police keep using our homeless like soccer balls.
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Oh, you're so cute. No, we just had our police keep using our homeless like soccer balls.
Psst... "footballs".
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In the UK, in the first lockdown, the homeless were taken off the street and put up in the empty hotels. Did the US not do the same?
If only. Some cities did, at least. For some of the homeless. After problems started happening. Homelessness was apparently rising notably in the US even before the pandemic, though, and the pandemic certainly didn't help with that.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
He was that ill and had a wank?

Good for him!
Originally Posted by MarkCorrigan View Post
How did I not notice that!
Originally Posted by abaddon View Post
That is possibly one of the more odd aspects of the tall tale. I have myself been carted off in a happy wagon, and have been present when other family and or friends have been carted off.

How many does anyone think shuffled of a swifty?

Who exactly is it that thinks that when the EMD, police. fire crews rock up, that some nut says to wait a minute, I am almost to orgasm.

It is absurd.
I take it that you didn't click on the spoiler in this post...

It is NSFW but makes the case very well.

I was impressed by the antivaxer asking me for proof it had been debunked.


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Unsurprisingly, there were a *lot* of comments along those lines. Some saying that if the AZ vaccine allowed one to think of that at such a time, they wanted signing up right away.
Then there was this NSFW cartoon tweet:

https://twitter.com/lukeymcgarry/sta...744877569?s=20







With a fair number of that type of reply

https://twitter.com/search?q=blood%2...ed_query&f=top
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You (apparently) already ignored what you are now asking for above:





Not vague.


Data sheets are in the video.
Still not going to deal with the rather large set of problems in that Zelenko paper? Or are you still reading it and trying to work out what they are? I did give some pointers.
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Originally Posted by Ron Swanson View Post
Hope this hasn't been posted .. It seems like he actually said this!

New Hampshire Republican state Representative Ken Weyler shocked constituents. when he stated (for the record) that the vaccine contains tiny, living, moving tentacled creatures, and "5G"
Tentacled? Yuch. Why didn't anyone tell me about the tentacles?

I'd unvaccinate myself immediately, if I didn't enjoy this improved connectivity so much.
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In the UK, in the first lockdown, the homeless were taken off the street and put up in the empty hotels. Did the US not do the same?
Homeless people? In the U.S.? [nervous laughter] There are no homeless people in the U.S. Those are just piles of old rags waiting for recycling. [pulls at collar]
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Marlon Hampton, 49, Chattanooga, TN, unvaxxed, dead from COVID, this story is about Patrick Hampton.
According to this obituary, Marlon Hampton died on October 6, 2021. He died in his home after being taken out of the Hospital by his brother Patrick Hampton. Patrick is a right-wing activist in Chattanooga. He has several facebook accounts with a total of 180,000 followers. Patrick is a columnist for the "Patriot Post" and two days before his brother died he published this article https://patriotpost.us/articles/8315...oes-2021-10-04 We'll show the posts of Patrick taking his brother out of the care of doctors at Erlanger Clinic because they wouldn't treat him with Ivermectin and vitamins. Marlon subsequently died at home.
This is what a stupid **** looks like.
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Old 8th October 2021, 05:55 AM   #392
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Originally Posted by Resume View Post
Anti-vax cement-head helps COVID kill his brother.



This is what a stupid **** looks like.
It's too bad this didn't happen in a swing state.
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Old 8th October 2021, 06:31 AM   #393
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Originally Posted by Pixel42 View Post
In the UK, in the first lockdown, the homeless were taken off the street and put up in the empty hotels. Did the US not do the same?
REgional here. Can't speak for other places, but Vermont put them in motels. Now a controversy because the program is set to expire at just about the time when, though protected from Covid, they'll freeze to death.
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Old 8th October 2021, 08:17 AM   #394
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Originally Posted by Bubba View Post
Sounds lame because...

Why would they want more covid related voter fraud, like vote by mail?

Klobuchar and Warren were against mailed ballots as it was "very subject to fraud"
Because without fraud, the GOP would lose by an even wider margin?
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Old 8th October 2021, 09:24 AM   #395
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Originally Posted by jimbob View Post
1) Not true in many places - in the UK for example, we have three measures recorded - the death certificate data, and deaths within 28 days of a positive test shown on the government dashboard - https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths

We also have another measure in England of deaths within 60 days of a positive test. The death certificate data shows where Covid was a contributory factor in the death. the vast majority are (as discussed by the ONS) where Covid is the main cause of death. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...4september2021
2) not true in the UK at least

3) Are you suggesting there is a false-negative PCR problem?

4) Evidence from multiple countries suggests otherwise. If anything there is undercounting.

https://ourworldindata.org/explorers...WE~FIN~NOR~DNK
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https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/c...WE~FIN~DNK~NOR
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5) We do have some antiviral treatments and some steroid treatments that have significant effects if taken early enough. But I am unaware of any gene therapy. If you're trying to imply that vaccines are, then you're either scientifically illiterate or disingenuous.
Nice work. Although, by now, I guess you probably have all that info in your back pocket, ready to serve up.
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Old 8th October 2021, 09:27 AM   #396
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For now. There is no way to predict whether future strains will induce an ADE response, when the antibodies become non-neutralizing. This will result in more severe infections than otherwise. ADE is a big risk not only in Coronaviruses, but many other families of viruses, and some scientists think it could be much greater than .26%, the IFR for Covid.
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From a 2020 study:
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Might COVID-19 vaccines sensitize humans to antibody-dependent enhanced (ADE) breakthrough infections? This is unlikely because coronavirus diseases in humans lack the clinical, epidemiological, biological, or pathological attributes of ADE disease exemplified by dengue viruses (DENV). In contrast to DENV, SARS and MERS CoVs predominantly infect respiratory epithelium, not macrophages. "
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You do know Medicare fraud is a crime, right? Upgrading DRG codes just to make more money will get you thrown in jail. Stating the use of a ventilator on the billing when one wasn't used will get you thrown in jail.
I know that hospitals monetize their patients. I'm not suggesting that ventilator use is fraudulently listed, I'm suggesting that patients are intubated when they shouldn't be, probably causing death in numerous cases. Thanks for confirming that hospitals are indeed subsidized both for Covid deaths, and ventilator usage. This is also easily confirmed with some basic research, which i don't expect anyone here to do.

Failing to report adverse vaccine reactions is also a crime, such as has been going on at the Phoenix Indian Medical Center in Arizona, and undoubtedly elsewhere. Medicare fraud, and VAERS fraud are only punished when they are caught.

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The hospital I worked for was audited yearly by CMS. I know this because I was the one who had to dig through the patient records from the lists of hundreds of patients CMS gave us.
Who audits the decisions of physicians on who gets intubated, or not?
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Originally Posted by Paul2 View Post
Nice work. Although, by now, I guess you probably have all that info in your back pocket, ready to serve up.
Thanks. My pinned Twitter thread used to be about that but now is about the HART group's chat logs.

I still have the bookmarks.
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An antivaxxer in Maryland killed his brother, a pharmacist, for dispensing Covid vaccines. He also murdered his brother’s wife, and his own mother.

Thanks, Covid conspiracy crackpots and antivaxxers in general! You pushed an unstable guy into a triple murder with your lies! Isn’t that a little more directly satisfying than just watching people needlessly die of Covid because they believed you?

Oh, and by the way: **** you.
**** you too.

Expect more violence, because mandating the injections of experimental gene therapies under EUAs for a disease that is treatable and only carries a .0026 rate of death upon infection is the definition of preemptive violence. It would still be violence even if the disease carried closer to a 30% IFR, such as that of MERS.
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From a 2020 study:


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Also from the NIH:

Two Different Antibody-Dependent Enhancement (ADE) Risks for SARS-CoV-2 Antibodies

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"Development of vaccines to severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS), Middle East Respiratory Syndrome coronavirus (MERS-CoV), and other coronavirus has been difficult to create due to vaccine induced enhanced disease responses in animal models. Multiple betacoronaviruses including SARS-CoV-2 and SARS-CoV-1 expand cellular tropism by infecting some phagocytic cells (immature macrophages and dendritic cells) via antibody bound Fc receptor uptake of virus. Antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE) may be involved in the clinical observation of increased severity of symptoms associated with early high levels of SARS-CoV-2 antibodies in patients.
ADE is the result of failed antibodies binding with viral cells, which then infect immune cells, which is exactly what is described above in animal models. Animals are not humans, but since it isn't clear why this is occurring, and since I have natural immunity to a disease which has a .0026 kill rate, I am not submitting to any therapy I don't need, because it's just adding risk.

If you want to submit to such therapies, knock yourself out. If you promote this being forced on people, be prepared for the violent response.

Time will tell when the virus mutates enough to where the specific antibody to the spike protein becomes non-deactivating to mutated versions of sars-cov-2, and generates the ADE response in billions of the "vaccinated". Until then, I will be part of the control group, and not the experiment. If it gets to the point where I cannot buy food without being "vaccinated", then expect a civil war.
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