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Old 20th July 2020, 09:06 AM   #2001
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Originally Posted by Horatius View Post
This appears to be the perfect storm of bad American police culture colliding with bad American civilian culture.

Far too many Americans seem to think the immediately confrontational, "Who the **** are YOU?!?" response is the right and proper way to deal with any unexpected interaction with anyone, under any circumstances. And if they've got a gun to wave about while being confrontational, all the better. If this guy hadn't wanted to get a piece of the people knocking on his door in the middle of the night ("trespassing" seems to be considered a capital crime by far too many Americans), he wouldn't have barged out into the middle of a couple of cops and ended up dead.

How many of the recent examples of such confrontations, between police and civilians, or between two civilians, could have be avoided if both sides didn't have that "Who the **** are you?" attitude turned up to 11?
Perhaps in general.
Did you witness anything in the brief video of this interaction that suggested the police were approaching the call with "an attitude"?
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Old 20th July 2020, 09:52 AM   #2002
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Originally Posted by Reactor drone View Post
A police officer "feared for his life" after a noise complaint so he shot a kneeling man in the back, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryozrUEms5c

Presumably he thought he was going to fire bullets through his own body at him.
Damn, the officers don't even complete the sentence "Put the gun down!" before they murder him. He clearly realized his mistake as soon as he opened the door and tried to put the gun down. Sadly the trigger happy cops were faster.

The cop already did his "I feared for my life" routine. Now we're just waiting for the inevitable "But he was a bad guy" / "He had a DUI" / "He was on drugs".
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Old 20th July 2020, 09:55 AM   #2003
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Also I hope that 911 caller realizes that his "I guess I'll say it's physical if that gets anyone here faster *chuckle*" got a man killed. **** that dude.
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Old 20th July 2020, 10:16 AM   #2004
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Originally Posted by Distracted1 View Post
Perhaps in general.
Did you witness anything in the brief video of this interaction that suggested the police were approaching the call with "an attitude"?


Immediately pointing a stupidly bright flashlight right at his face as soon as the door opens certainly doesn't fall under the "Hi-didily-ho, Neighborino!" class of greetings.
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Old 20th July 2020, 11:05 AM   #2005
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Originally Posted by erlando View Post
Damn, the officers don't even complete the sentence "Put the gun down!" before they murder him. He clearly realized his mistake as soon as he opened the door and tried to put the gun down. Sadly the trigger happy cops were faster.
I don't agree with you in one way: in what respect was it a "mistake"?

Yes, he opened the door with a gun in his hand. What about that is a mistake? Just because they cops did not make it a mistake.

1) Could he see they were cops? Above it says no, he couldn't see them through the peephole.
2) They announced they were cops. But that means nothing, because anyone can just "Open up, it's the police" (Cheech and Chong did a whole skit on that).

So, given the culture where it is acceptable to have a gun in hand when opening the door for strangers in the middle of the night, what did he do wrong?
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Old 21st July 2020, 12:33 AM   #2006
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Originally Posted by pgwenthold View Post
I don't agree with you in one way: in what respect was it a "mistake"?

Yes, he opened the door with a gun in his hand. What about that is a mistake? Just because they cops did not make it a mistake.
It's more of a figure of speech. Let's call it an "oh ****" moment instead.

Originally Posted by pgwenthold View Post
1) Could he see they were cops? Above it says no, he couldn't see them through the peephole.
2) They announced they were cops. But that means nothing, because anyone can just "Open up, it's the police" (Cheech and Chong did a whole skit on that).

So, given the culture where it is acceptable to have a gun in hand when opening the door for strangers in the middle of the night, what did he do wrong?
In my eyes? Nothing, given the laws and culture in the United States of holy-****-everyone's-armed..

The way the door was yanked opened and him yelling "WHAT?!" may have contributed to the scaredy-cat cops being even more scared. But one should think that cops were trained to handle that kind of thing.
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Old 21st July 2020, 08:39 AM   #2007
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Originally Posted by erlando View Post
It's more of a figure of speech. Let's call it an "oh ****" moment instead.



In my eyes? Nothing, given the laws and culture in the United States of holy-****-everyone's-armed..

The way the door was yanked opened and him yelling "WHAT?!" may have contributed to the scaredy-cat cops being even more scared. But one should think that cops were trained to handle that kind of thing.
They are... and you just seen how.
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Old 21st July 2020, 09:10 AM   #2008
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Originally Posted by erlando View Post
The way the door was yanked opened and him yelling "WHAT?!" may have contributed to the scaredy-cat cops being even more scared. But one should think that cops were trained to handle that kind of thing.
As the cops say "better judged by 12 than carried by 6".
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Old 30th July 2020, 06:56 AM   #2009
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Cops celebrating killing people.

https://openvallejo.org/2020/07/28/v...tal-shootings/

"They call it, “The Badge of Honor.” For a generation, a secretive clique within the Vallejo Police Department has commemorated fatal shootings with beers, backyard barbecues, and by bending the points of their badges each time they kill in the line of duty, an investigation by Open Vallejo has found. The custom was so exclusive, some officers involved in fatal shootings were never told of its existence.

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They call it, “The Badge of Honor.” For a generation, a secretive clique within the Vallejo Police Department has commemorated fatal shootings with beers, backyard barbecues, and by bending the points of their badges each time they kill in the line of duty, an investigation by Open Vallejo has found. The custom was so exclusive, some officers involved in fatal shootings were never told of its existence.

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Old 30th July 2020, 07:16 AM   #2010
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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
Cops celebrating killing people.

https://openvallejo.org/2020/07/28/v...tal-shootings/

"They call it, “The Badge of Honor.” For a generation, a secretive clique within the Vallejo Police Department has commemorated fatal shootings with beers, backyard barbecues, and by bending the points of their badges each time they kill in the line of duty, an investigation by Open Vallejo has found. The custom was so exclusive, some officers involved in fatal shootings were never told of its existence.

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They call it, “The Badge of Honor.” For a generation, a secretive clique within the Vallejo Police Department has commemorated fatal shootings with beers, backyard barbecues, and by bending the points of their badges each time they kill in the line of duty, an investigation by Open Vallejo has found. The custom was so exclusive, some officers involved in fatal shootings were never told of its existence.

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They call it, “The Badge of Honor.” For a generation, a secretive clique within the Vallejo Police Department has commemorated fatal shootings with beers, backyard barbecues, and by bending the points of their badges each time they kill in the line of duty, an investigation by Open Vallejo has found. The custom was so exclusive, some officers involved in fatal shootings were never told of its existence.
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Old 30th July 2020, 08:49 AM   #2011
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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
Cops celebrating killing people.

https://openvallejo.org/2020/07/28/v...tal-shootings/

"They call it, “The Badge of Honor.” For a generation, a secretive clique within the Vallejo Police Department has commemorated fatal shootings with beers, backyard barbecues, and by bending the points of their badges each time they kill in the line of duty, an investigation by Open Vallejo has found. The custom was so exclusive, some officers involved in fatal shootings were never told of its existence.

...

They call it, “The Badge of Honor.” For a generation, a secretive clique within the Vallejo Police Department has commemorated fatal shootings with beers, backyard barbecues, and by bending the points of their badges each time they kill in the line of duty, an investigation by Open Vallejo has found. The custom was so exclusive, some officers involved in fatal shootings were never told of its existence.

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The captain who pushed for an investigation, John Whitney, would soon be out of a job. A former SWAT team commander with two master’s degrees, Whitney says he was forced out of the department after raising concerns about the badge-bending tradition and other misconduct. He filed a retaliation claim against the city in March.
See, a true "bad apple" to be removed from the barrel
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Old 30th July 2020, 09:20 AM   #2012
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40 out of 100 officers have been involved in shootings.

Not a good culture
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