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Old 8th June 2020, 06:26 AM   #81
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Video evidence of MPD slashing tires. There has been speculation that the police have been responsible for the widespread slashing of tires in Minneapolis during the protests. One journalist discovered his car, and every car in the same parking garage, had all 4 tires slashed. Now there is evidence proving cops are slashing tires.

https://www.motherjones.com/anti-rac...n-minneapolis/
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Old 8th June 2020, 06:42 AM   #82
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Originally Posted by The Don View Post
If the instances of misconduct are minor enough and/or long enough ago I suppose that wouldn't prevent them being hired.

If the misconduct were not considered misconduct by the hiring police department.

But you'd think that a history of misconduct should be a bar to employment.
Given the conduct of some police departments, a cynic might consider that a record of previous misconduct is a head start.
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Old 8th June 2020, 07:03 AM   #83
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In Whitefish, Montana, a young woman named Samantha Francine is confronted by a large white man with balled fists, shouting, "Black Lives Matter? **** you! **** you! **** you!"
She does not look away.

He knew he didn't win.

https://twitter.com/drvox/status/1269746069740507136

ETA video here. https://nbcmontana.com/news/local/wh...-confrontation

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Old 8th June 2020, 07:24 AM   #84
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I've changed my mind about defunding the Minneapolis Police. Please go right ahead and do so. If that's what it takes to get rid of the corrupt police union the white supremacist *************, and the just plain evil garbage that seems to be everywhere on the force, then do so! Then do what Camden did, hire a new police department that cooperates with the community.
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Old 8th June 2020, 07:48 AM   #86
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Originally Posted by shemp View Post
I've changed my mind about defunding the Minneapolis Police. Please go right ahead and do so. If that's what it takes to get rid of the corrupt police union the white supremacist *************, and the just plain evil garbage that seems to be everywhere on the force, then do so! Then do what Camden did, hire a new police department that cooperates with the community.

Speaking of which:
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The transformation began after the 2012 homicide spike. The department wanted to put more officers on patrol but couldn’t afford to hire more, partly because of generous union contracts. So in 2013, the mayor and city council dissolved the local PD and signed an agreement for the county to provide shared services. The new county force is double the size of the old one, and officers almost exclusively patrol the city.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ice-department

Minneapolis is a much bigger city, but it might possible to merge St. Paul and the other local forces into one county-wide force that would then hire new cops for a Minneapolis division.
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Old 8th June 2020, 08:28 AM   #87
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
In Whitefish, Montana, a young woman named Samantha Francine is confronted by a large white man with balled fists, shouting, "Black Lives Matter? **** you! **** you! **** you!"
She does not look away.

He knew he didn't win.

https://twitter.com/drvox/status/1269746069740507136

ETA video here. https://nbcmontana.com/news/local/wh...-confrontation
And just like that Jay Snowden, 51, exposed himself as part of the problem.
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Old 8th June 2020, 08:38 AM   #88
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Minneapolis city council president explains on CNN that expecting to be able to call police when someone breaks into your house in the middle of the night "comes from a place of privilege"

Twitter link with CNN video

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"CAMEROTA: "What if in the middle of the night my home is broken into. Who do I call?"

BENDER: "Yes, I hear that loud and clear from a lot of my neighbors. And I know — and myself, too, and I know that that comes from a place of privilege.""
I want to live in "a place of privilege" - as in, a white community where people expect and appreciate law enforcement and are able to deal with law enforcement peacefully and not lose their minds and end up giving cops a reason to shoot them.

That's what's really underlying all of these requests about eliminating cops. Certain communities are basically saying "look, we CANNOT stop ourselves from committing crimes and likewise cannot stop ourselves from violently resisting arrest - so you're just going to have to give up having a society to accommodate our dysfunction"

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Old 8th June 2020, 08:55 AM   #89
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Tank View Post
Minneapolis city council president explains on CNN that expecting to be able to call police when someone breaks into your house in the middle of the night "comes from a place of privilege"

Twitter link with CNN video



I want to live in "a place of privilege" - as in, a white community where people expect and appreciate law enforcement and are able to deal with law enforcement peacefully and not lose their minds and end up giving cops a reason to shoot them.

That's what's really underlying all of these requests about eliminating cops. Certain communities are basically saying "look, we CANNOT stop ourselves from committing crimes and likewise cannot stop ourselves from violently resisting arrest - so you're just going to have to give up having a society to accommodate our dysfunction"
Yes, dear.
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Old 8th June 2020, 08:57 AM   #90
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Tank View Post
I want to live in a... white community
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Old 8th June 2020, 09:00 AM   #91
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Tank View Post
Minneapolis city council president explains on CNN that expecting to be able to call police when someone breaks into your house in the middle of the night "comes from a place of privilege"

Twitter link with CNN video



I want to live in "a place of privilege" - as in, a white community where people expect and appreciate law enforcement and are able to deal with law enforcement peacefully and not lose their minds and end up giving cops a reason to shoot them.

That's what's really underlying all of these requests about eliminating cops. Certain communities are basically saying "look, we CANNOT stop ourselves from committing crimes and likewise cannot stop ourselves from violently resisting arrest - so you're just going to have to give up having a society to accommodate our dysfunction"
yeah, who else is going to show up 3 hours late, shoot your dog, and not solve the case? They will be missed.
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Old 8th June 2020, 09:40 AM   #92
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Barr Says There Is No Systemic Racism in Policing

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Attorney General William P. Barr said on Sunday that he did not believe racism was a systemic problem in policing, echoing other top administration officials’ defense of an important part of President Trump’s base as protests against police killings of unarmed black people continued across the nation.

“I don’t think that the law enforcement system is systemically racist,” Mr. Barr said in an interview with the CBS program “Face the Nation.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/07/u...sm-police.html
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
In Whitefish, Montana, a young woman named Samantha Francine is confronted by a large white man with balled fists, shouting, "Black Lives Matter? **** you! **** you! **** you!"
She does not look away.

He knew he didn't win.

https://twitter.com/drvox/status/1269746069740507136

ETA video here. https://nbcmontana.com/news/local/wh...-confrontation
Whitefish is, of course, a currently popular destination for neo-Nazis.
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Barr Says There Is No Systemic Racism in Policing

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Barr said on Sunday that he did not believe racism was a systemic problem in policing
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/07/u...sm-police.html
Racists don't usually see racism as a problem, you see?
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Barr Says There Is No Systemic Racism in Policing



https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/07/u...sm-police.html
He's correct. Many studies have shown this.

Blacks get as policed as they do because of the amount of crime they generate, simple.

Preview of society without police
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Barr Says There Is No Systemic Racism in Policing



https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/07/u...sm-police.html
Phew! Hey everybody, you can stop protesting, now!
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Racists don't usually see racism as a problem, you see?
Of course one could dodge the charge of racism by (as so often seems the option) claiming stupidity. In this case, statistical innumeracy that just so happens to track racial stereotypes. If most X are black, then uneven enforcement is reasonable because most blacks are X. Blame your kind for our excesses.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Barr Says There Is No Systemic Racism in Policing



https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/07/u...sm-police.html

And remember there are no chemicals in pepper spray, this is someone who we should be listening to.
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And remember there are no chemicals in pepper spray, this is someone who we should be listening to.
Yea it would at least have been accurate if he said it was not a gas but an aerosolized liquid.
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KKK leader drives car into group of protesters in Virginia; injures 1

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On June 7 at approximately 5:45 p.m., Henrico County police received a call about an incident that occurred during the protest walk on Lakeside Avenue near Vale Street.

An adult victim had stopped to report the incident in the City near the AP Hill Monument.

According to witnesses, a vehicle revved their engine and drove through the protesters occupying the roadway.

Police say Harry H. Rogers, 36, of Hanover County was arrested and charged with assault and battery, attempted malicious wounding and felony vandalism. He is being held without bond.

Henrico Commonwealth Attorney Shannon Taylor said Rogers admitted to being a leader of the Ku Klux Klan and a protagonist for Confederate ideology. They are investigating whether hate crimes charges are appropriate.
Luckily this time nobody was seriously hurt.
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KKK leader drives car into group of protesters in Virginia; injures 1



Luckily this time nobody was seriously hurt.
...Till they get a hold of the driver
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Spreadsheet collecting 402 documented examples of police brutality during the nationwide BLM protests:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...hyW6c-mG74Avyg
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Spreadsheet collecting 402 documented examples of police brutality during the nationwide BLM protests:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...hyW6c-mG74Avyg
Do you have a spreadsheet for property damage or White people being beaten during the protests?
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I just saw a comment on Twitter, something like, "Black Lives Matter is coming to the defense of a 75 year old white guy who got knocked down by the police, while the All Lives Matter crowd is siding with the police."
Well if somebody said it on twitter.......
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These people have the solution to ending racial injustice:

Rhode Island doughnut shop ends police, military discounts due to problems with 'racism and injustice'


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According to the post, the decision was inspired by recent accusations of racism and injustice against the local police department. The move was met with both anger and applause on social media.
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Careful with that, the police killed the guy giving them free barbecue and now donuts? That will only end in violence and death.
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I'm listening to the evening concert on Classic FM, and John Suchet just said there would be a minute's silence at 9pm to mark the two week anniversary of the death of George Floyd. Is this a general thing? I hadn't heard anything about it, though I will be happy to observe it.
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Video evidence of MPD slashing tires. There has been speculation that the police have been responsible for the widespread slashing of tires in Minneapolis during the protests. One journalist discovered his car, and every car in the same parking garage, had all 4 tires slashed. Now there is evidence proving cops are slashing tires.

https://www.motherjones.com/anti-rac...n-minneapolis/
That's not "video evidence" of MPD slashing tires, it's video of them doing it!

Now it is being reported that they were doing it on orders from higher ups.

My response is to ask, how do these ******** live with themselves? As John Lennon asked, how do they sleep? Do they come home and tell their wives, "You will never guess what I did today..."

Our ******* heroes...
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Can he do me coconut?
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My response is to ask, how do these ******** live with themselves? As John Lennon asked, how do they sleep? Do they come home and tell their wives, "You will never guess what I did today..."

Our ******* heroes...
This sort of presumes that "bad cops" have "good wives."

Honey, I'm home. Wait til you hear this - I slashed tires today on protesters' cars.
How many?
About thirty.
That isn't enough. You are sleeping on the couch tonight.
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This sort of presumes that "bad cops" have "good wives."

Honey, I'm home. Wait til you hear this - I slashed tires today on protesters' cars.
How many?
About thirty.
That isn't enough. You are sleeping on the couch tonight.
Odds are good the cops beat their wives too. They're working longer hours these days, but I imagine they are still putting in the effort at home.
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Derek Chauvin's bail set at 1 million:

https://apnews.com/b3ec2c265b33d4135...&utm_medium=AP
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Odds are good the cops beat their wives too. They're working longer hours these days, but I imagine they are still putting in the effort at home.
You are stereotyping and showing hatred and bigotry. It reminds me of racists who say, "odds are good that a black hoodie-wearer is a criminal."
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Derek Chauvin's bail set at 1 million:

https://apnews.com/b3ec2c265b33d4135...&utm_medium=AP
Hmmm, seems like the judge isn't going with the he's really not q bad guy defense.
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You are stereotyping and showing hatred and bigotry. It reminds me of racists who say, "odds are good that a black hoodie-wearer is a criminal."
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Research suggests that family violence is two to four times higher in the law-enforcement community than in the general population. So where's the public outrage?
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Do you have a spreadsheet for property damage or White people being beaten during the protests?
Do YOU have a spreadsheet of squirrels?
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Do you have a spreadsheet for property damage or White people being beaten during the protests?
No, just my own personal memories.
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The racists will haul out their own statistics to support what they say are good odds. It goes round and round.

An observer of this "battle of arguments" is to decide on the winner how? Is the winner the one who is less full of hatred and bigotry?
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Do YOU have a spreadsheet of squirrels?
Don't know what the complaint is. There are plenty of videos of violence against white people. By the police.

If you believe all protestors are black, it reveals that you're probably a racist.
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Pick a field office near where you live...

https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices

Click on their webpage link

Click on their Facebook or Twitter link (top right)

Send them a message
https://twitter.com/iancanwrite/stat...91132545564674
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