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Old 8th June 2020, 06:43 PM   #161
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Originally Posted by bruto View Post
Impeccable economic logic. Used to be the store lost Instead of losing money on free lunches, now they won't. I'm sure the store is hurting from that. (corrected based on previous post)
I'd say they were more motivated by the cost of broken glass as opposed to the cost of a few meals.
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Old 8th June 2020, 06:44 PM   #162
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Originally Posted by trustbutverify View Post
They made a PR error. They corrected it.
It remains to be seen whether it turns out to be a "correction" or not.
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Old 8th June 2020, 06:51 PM   #163
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Originally Posted by Distracted1 View Post
Little to do with that.
As I said, the boycott was do to the initial offer being rescinded so crassly.

It was a public "**** you cops" calculated to prevent provocation of the protestors leading to potential damage to their other stores- which immediately followed a "bless you cops" message when they thougt that was the best way to come through this whole.
"Invisible hand" and all that, I suppose
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Old 8th June 2020, 07:19 PM   #164
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Originally Posted by Checkmite View Post
"Invisible hand" and all that, I suppose
I wouldn't want to be the employee tasked with calling 911 the next time needed.
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Old 8th June 2020, 07:23 PM   #165
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Originally Posted by Distracted1 View Post
You could frame it that way, if you wish.
They were thanking the cops, and offering free lunches right up till it became apparent that the rioting was not done- then they were condemning them.

If you don't find that crass, I think you are being naive.

They never, it seems, decided to offer anything at all to the protestors.

And, like I just explained to you, it might instead be that they previously were ignorant of how much police brutality has been occurring over the past couple of weeks, and when they actually learned of it they decided to change their policy. If you simply dismiss that as a possibility, you simply haven't been paying attention over the last two weeks.

This isn't the first time I've seen you spin spin spin to defend the police; it's absolutely clear to me where your agenda lies.

ETA: In all honestly, in my opinion anyone (ie, you) who actually thinks he's making postworthy point by saying:

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In fairness, it was the concrete that cracked the old fools' head.
I guess he was so used to his white privledge that he thought he could stop the world to have his opinion heard.
is not engaging in good faith and is absolutely deserving of contempt.

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Yea, thanks for correcting that.
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Originally Posted by trustbutverify View Post
Yea, thanks for correcting that.

Sorry! I clicked on your comment just to make sure I got the syntax for the quote link right, then forgot to change your name. At least I caught it immediately.
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Old 8th June 2020, 07:38 PM   #168
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Don't know what the complaint is. There are plenty of videos of violence against white people. By the police.

If you believe all protestors are black, it reveals that you're probably a racist.
There's no complaint. I'm sure most of those 400 plus incidents of police brutality were against White people. White people are more likely to be beaten and killed by the police than black people are in general.

But it would be nice to document non-police beatings--peaceful protesters against peaceful protesters--and property damage for this specific uprising.
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Old 8th June 2020, 07:46 PM   #169
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And, like I just explained to you, it might instead be that they previously were ignorant of how much police brutality has been occurring over the past couple of weeks, and when they actually learned of it they decided to change their policy.:
Must disagree with you here- I don't believe that's the way it went down.
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Old 8th June 2020, 07:51 PM   #170
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Wow, that's disgusting: give us free food or we'll call for a boycott.

I'm guessing their business will increase now.
“Police boycott” has significant implications clearly understood from the long history of police dealing with businesses. The threat by the police is not that the police will stop “buying” their free food at the shop. Why should the shop care about that? It’s that the police will now be much less “enthusiastic“ about defending this shop if they need help.
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Originally Posted by trustbutverify View Post
Must disagree with you here- I don't believe that's the way it went down.

I am simply admitting I don't know, but at the same time pointing out that the spin others put on it is telling.
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Wasn't suggesting they would have.
Who did they call after she did though?
And that's relevant why?

Surely you can find a better example if you look a little harder.

No one is suggesting we don't need police doing police work. What we want (not that I speak for everyone) for one is for the police to stop hunting down blacks "who look suspicious".

And the police shouldn't be responding to mentally ill aid calls. There has to be a better way that shooting dead the family member they were called to help.

There are many more ways things could be better handled.
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
And that's relevant why?



Surely you can find a better example if you look a little harder.



No one is suggesting we don't need police doing police work.
Then why are protestors demanding defunding or even disbanding them?
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
Then why are protestors demanding defunding or even disbanding them?

Hey, don't blame others simply because you misunderstand what is being proposed. See this post: http://www.internationalskeptics.com...9#post13117769
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Originally Posted by Cabbage View Post
Hey, don't blame others simply because you misunderstand what is being proposed. See this post: http://www.internationalskeptics.com...9#post13117769
Would hardly call that disbanding.

Reading wiki on Camden they just sacked 168 unionised officers of the 370 due to them being too expensive. Re-hired 155 of them being paid less and just changed the focus of what they were enforcing.

Just ditch the management and get people in to do the last bit.
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
Would hardly call that disbanding.

Nevertheless, that is what is being proposed.

I've advised you before to attempt to learn something before making ignorant comments. Maybe this time you will finally take that advice?
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Originally Posted by Cabbage View Post
Nevertheless, that is what is being proposed.



I've advised you before to attempt to learn something before making ignorant comments. Maybe this time you will finally take that advice?
Oh . I feel so chastised over not seeing a post about a police dept being disbanded as an eg; fhat ended up being one that wasn't.

What will I do to meet your expectations?

It's a toughy. Needs a lot of thought..... I think I have got it......not give a **** about your opinion of me.
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Or of course you could just learn the meaning of the word disband
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OK, I'll take that as a "No" LOL

But is this: "a police dept being disbanded as an eg; fhat ended up being one that wasn't."

an attempt at communication???

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Or of course you could just learn the meaning of the word disband
I'm not the one using the word. Maybe redirect your comment to someone relevant?
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Oh, great. Can you cite three of these studies?
It doesn't matter if there are indeed differences between demographic groups, any such studies are irrelevant. If a law abiding black person going about their business is more likely to be pulled over, questioned, harassed, assaulted or arrested than a law abiding white person going about theirs, that is discrimination. It's the definition of discrimination. Population statistics tell you nothing about individuals. Making assumptions about people based solely on the demographic group they belong to can never be justified.
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Originally Posted by Cabbage View Post
OK, I'll take that as a "No" LOL

But is this: "a police dept being disbanded as an eg; fhat ended up being one that wasn't."

an attempt at communication???
Lol

Sorry for the sarcasm.

Was a joke.

I was just questioning the claim no protestors are calling for the police to not police.
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Lol

Sorry for the sarcasm.

Was a joke.

I was just questioning the claim no protestors are calling for the police to not police.

And like I said, you are misunderstanding the claim. For that matter, I agree that "defund" or "disband" the police could be phrased better. I'm only trying to point out that you misunderstand the intended proposal, which is a restructuring of police, not a regression to The Purge: Anarchy.
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And like I said, you are misunderstanding the claim. For that matter, I agree that "defund" or "disband" the police could be phrased better. I'm only trying to point out that you misunderstand the intended proposal, which is a restructuring of police, not a regression to The Purge: Anarchy.
Fair call

Personally think unless it is done on a federal level policy wise half the loads of different depts will cock it up and it won't fix anything.
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Fair call

Personally think unless it is done on a federal level policy wise half the loads of different depts will cock it up and it won't fix anything.

Well, sure. I don't think anyone here in the US is foolish enough to kick back and think, "Hey, we did it! Problem solved" just yet. I think most people are jaded enough to be skeptical that anything will really change.
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What's especially bizarre about that is that the department probably has a written policy forbidding cops from accepting anything free. It used to be called takng a bribe. Now the cops are not only admitting it, but demanding it? Defund the police!
In the UK it would be a disciplinary offence for a police officer to accept a 'free' meal. As has been said this is the thin edge of corruption.

In principle I think that the whole concept of giving discounts to police or military or other groups is dubious, it is discrimination. Many of the favoured groups are likely to have been historically systemically racist (and may still be). The sanitation engineer and pest control officer probably do more to keep the nation safe than the police officer or sailor. I am always uncomfortable with systems that identify some people as of more worth than others.
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It doesn't matter if there are indeed differences between demographic groups, any such studies are irrelevant. If a law abiding black person going about their business is more likely to be pulled over, questioned, harassed, assaulted or arrested than a law abiding white person going about theirs, that is discrimination. It's the definition of discrimination. Population statistics tell you nothing about individuals. Making assumptions about people based solely on the demographic group they belong to can never be justified.
I know it doesn't matter. I'm addressing Tank's claim. You know, being skeptical of it.
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Defunding isn't abolishing.

If you have a clearly failed project that year after year costs more, does less and hires murdering people, instead of reforming it you might be much better off just closing it and start from scratch.
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I know it doesn't matter. I'm addressing Tank's claim. You know, being skeptical of it.
Fair enough. It's just one of my bugbears that so many people do seem to think that statistical differences between groups justify discrimination against every member of a group.
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A paradox that forces people to be contradictory or hypocritical. Good people with good ideas are forced into this position because they end up deciding that they have to be as bad as their enemy in order to defeat them.
I'll explain it using short sentences and small words.

- Hating people for the color of their skin is hating them for no reason.

- Hating people for hating people for the color of their skin is not hating them for no reason.

There, I have now resolved the paradox that was causing you so much pearl clutching and consternation. You can get on with your life.
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Seattle PD hit a 21 year old woman directly in the chest with a stun grenade, stopping her heart.

She's alive because of the heroic rescue efforts of her fellow protesters and street medics, who were able to provide CPR and bring her to an emergency room.

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Cops' Logic:
" We are the Police, therefore everyone else is a criminal."
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Cops' Logic:
" We are the Police, therefore everyone else is a criminal."
"We are the Police, therefore everyone else is a violent criminal."
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Fair enough. It's just one of my bugbears that so many people do seem to think that statistical differences between groups justify discrimination against every member of a group.
I prefer Gnolls.
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Hating people for the color of their skin is hating them for no reason.
Let's not confuse reasons we disagree with (or stupid reasons) for lack of reason.
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She's alive because of the heroic rescue efforts of her fellow protesters and street medics, who were able to provide CPR and bring her to an emergency room.
I'm surprised the police let them.

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I'm surprised the police let them.

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Apparently they evacuated her under fire.
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In Philadelphia, a up scale grocery store and food market (DiBruno Brothers) said they will no longer be offering on duty police free lunches. The police union responded by announcing a boycott of the store.
I would think strategically deflating the tires of all those who shop their with knives would be a better protest for the police.
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Old 9th June 2020, 05:31 AM   #199
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Originally Posted by Distracted1 View Post
The free lunches were offered a matter of hours before they were withdrawn.
This was not some long-standing policy of the retailer, or the Police.
Hey free lunches to cops can get you shot by the police. Fortunately they all had their body cameras off so that means it was a good shooting.

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Old 9th June 2020, 05:47 AM   #200
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Originally Posted by Cabbage View Post
And, like I just explained to you, it might instead be that they previously were ignorant of how much police brutality has been occurring over the past couple of weeks, and when they actually learned of it they decided to change their policy. If you simply dismiss that as a possibility, you simply haven't been paying attention over the last two weeks.

This isn't the first time I've seen you spin spin spin to defend the police; it's absolutely clear to me where your agenda lies.

ETA: In all honestly, in my opinion anyone (ie, you) who actually thinks he's making postworthy point by saying:



is not engaging in good faith and is absolutely deserving of contempt.
Again, the solution is simple - don’t engage in talks with white supremacists like him.
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