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Old 6th May 2022, 11:05 AM   #41
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Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy View Post
What accounts for the "smoke" reported? Dust from roof?
As with all poorly-documented UFO and paranormal claims, literally anything could account for the phenomena alleged by the claimants. My view is it's fine to speculate all you want, but that's all it is - speculation. There's no point in trying to come up with "the" explanation, or even "an" explanation for these things.

Was there really any "smoke"? Who knows. Could it have been dust from the roof? Sure. Could it have been a figment of the reporter's imagination? Sure. Could it have been steam from a nearby kettle? Sure. Could it have been residual unicorn farts adhering to the object as it transitioned from unicorn-space into our reality? Okay, probably not that one.

Like UFO proponents who demand that you account for the "fact" that the UFO moved several kilometers in under a second. Is that really what happened? Not even the UFO proponent really knows. So why bother trying to account for it?
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Old 7th May 2022, 02:23 AM   #42
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I am almost 100% certain that this is NOT man made space junk. Its appearance doesn't match any of the descriptors that I know of.

If it is a meteorite, it is an exceedingly rare one.
So we should be really worried then?
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Old 7th May 2022, 03:02 AM   #43
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Did they actually check if there was a guy on the roof with a musket? I mean no, I don't think it's likely, but did they at least check?
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Old 7th May 2022, 04:05 AM   #44
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Well IMO, you're on the right track. I think the idea that this might be some sort of man-made space junk is pure science-fiction!
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Doesn't look melted to me. Just badly scraped. I'm liking the tire-balancing metal weight came loose from a passing car hypothesis.
And got flung up into the sky with such force that it returned with enough force to smash through the ceiling and chip the tiled floor?
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Old 11th May 2022, 03:44 AM   #46
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
Well IMO, you're on the right track. I think the idea that this might be some sort of man-made space junk is pure science-fiction!
So keep an eye out for people acting oddly, sudden behaviour changes and giant vegetables.
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Old 11th May 2022, 05:33 AM   #47
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And got flung up into the sky with such force that it returned with enough force to smash through the ceiling and chip the tiled floor?
Sure. You're falling into the UFOvian trap of coming up with too much Just So Story on too little evidence. The trajectory could have been much more oblique. The tile could have already been chipped. Etc. I don't have a to explain reentry speed and trajectory until we know that's what happened. Which we're can't possibly know, and therefore should not claim.
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Old 11th May 2022, 09:49 PM   #48
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So keep an eye out for people acting oddly, sudden behaviour changes and giant vegetables. seed pods.
FTFY. Get it right!
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
FTFY. Get it right!
Wasn't that the Man-Eater of Surrey Green?
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Old 12th May 2022, 09:20 PM   #50
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Wasn't that the Man-Eater of Surrey Green?
Nope! Invasion of the Body Snatchers... invading aliens replaced humans by growing them in giant seed-pods... the resulting replacements acted strangely and had behavior changes and a complete lack of emotions.

Man-Eater of Surrey Green was a telepathic alien plant!
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I'm going for...
An alien, robot trilobite!
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
Nope! Invasion of the Body Snatchers... invading aliens replaced humans by growing them in giant seed-pods... the resulting replacements acted strangely and had behavior changes and a complete lack of emotions.

Man-Eater of Surrey Green was a telepathic alien plant!
Ah yes, the inspiration for the Krynoid. With the terrible plastic "snow"....
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I may as well confess. The "projectile" is my adamantium-fabricated condom. Unfortunately, it was improperly secured at the moment of greatest need, and although it did reach the technical threshold of space (the von Kármán line @ 100km), it never entered a low-Earth orbit, so its designation as "space debris" is debatable.
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So you're blaming a failed panspermia project. Novel.
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Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge View Post
So you're blaming a failed panspermia project. Novel.

LOL

Thanks for making me do a dictionary search, also.
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This page shows a Starlink satellite reentry on 4 May which might account for debris in Australia. Pure speculation on my part, of course.
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So you're blaming a failed panspermia project. Novel.
Has panspermia ever been the name of a porn flick?
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Old 14th May 2022, 04:32 PM   #58
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
This page shows a Starlink satellite reentry on 4 May which might account for debris in Australia. Pure speculation on my part, of course.
Unlikely

If the re-entry went as predicted, it re-entered over Eastern Europe. There is no way any pieces could survive long enough to reach Australia, and even if they did, the track looks to take it about 100 km NE of Queensland.
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