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Old 26th December 2021, 09:43 AM   #2721
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Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King View Post
Indeed.

As Darat points out, pretty much everything which has come to pass was predicted by economists, bankers, business folk, some politicians, observant layfolk and others, but it was routinely dismissed by the likes of ******* Rees ******* Mogg and his ilk as "Project Fear", while the lying arse was shifting his own company to Dublin to stay in the EU...

Anyone now claiming that they didn't vote for this should not be let loose with sharp pencils.
But what about the "half a trillion pounds" that the UK was paying to "Brussels"? Surely that should be helping?
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Old 27th December 2021, 03:55 PM   #2722
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Half a trillion for you, half a trillion for you. Everyone wins half a trillion pounds.
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Old 28th December 2021, 06:39 AM   #2723
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Just a few days until customs checks come into force for goods entering Britain from the EU. I suspect this was a big part of why Lord Frost wanted to get out immediately. His Brexit catastrophe was catching up with him - & we will all pay the price!
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Old 28th December 2021, 09:36 AM   #2724
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Half a trillion for you, half a trillion for you. Everyone wins half a trillion pounds.
I have a one hundred trillion Zimbabwe dollar note around somewhere....
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Old 28th December 2021, 12:41 PM   #2725
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https://www.theguardian.com/business...ver-negotiated

Liz Truss, what do you make of that one then?
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Old 28th December 2021, 04:31 PM   #2726
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Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King View Post
https://www.theguardian.com/business...ver-negotiated

Liz Truss, what do you make of that one then?
The companies that paid the Tories a lot of money provide the most economic value to the country have gotten a good deal out of it.
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Old 29th December 2021, 11:49 AM   #2727
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b1975957.html

Brexit blow for disabled people as EU holiday destinations stop recognising UK blue badges
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Ministers promised to negotiate individual deals with EU countries to recognise British badges, but a year on they have failed to do so for the most popular destinations.

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Project Fear….
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Old 29th December 2021, 11:52 AM   #2728
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Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King View Post
https://www.theguardian.com/business...ver-negotiated

Liz Truss, what do you make of that one then?
Er…. Please she has negotiated for zero tariffs for Stilton imports into Japan….

What more could they ask for?
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Old 29th December 2021, 02:23 PM   #2729
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URGENT UPDATE FOR BRITISH RESIDENTS IN EU: Following a French Government decision, on 28/12/2021, unless they hold French residency, British citizens are now considered 3rd country citizens and can no longer transit France by road to reach their country of residence in the EU.

We're very sorry we're unable to answer individual questions regarding the new requirements. Please see the French embassy website if you have any questions:

https://uk.ambafrance.org/Conditions...erieux-Transit
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Old 30th December 2021, 02:38 AM   #2730
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A relatively trivial example, but once again it's the story of Brexit in miniature.

It's much more expensive and difficult to take your pet on holiday to the EU now.

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The rules on travelling with your pet to countries in the European Union changed a year ago, following the UK's departure from the EU.

Before Brexit, people were able to use an EU pet passport for their furry friends but from 1 January 2021, they've had to get an Animal Health Certificate (AHC) instead.

Days before the rule change came into force, the Royal Veterinary College (RVC) quoted £94 for the certificate.

But we've heard from owners who have been asked to pay significantly more (with vets charging as much as £300) and some have encountered travel problems with their pets under the new system.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/59644699

The complaint was that the EU forced all kinds of red tape on the UK but the truth is the complete opposite - it forces red tape on third countries.

The UK had hoped that exceptionalism would get the EU to give us a break:

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During Brexit negotiations, the government tried to get the UK listed as a "Part 1" country by the EU Commission, meaning it could still access the pet passport scheme (like a number of other non-EU members, including Switzerland).

But it was given "Part 2" listing, requiring the new certificates instead.
The thing that that the "Part 1" countries have in common is that they are part of the EEA or have similar arrangements - something the hard Brexiteers have deemed unacceptable.

Northern Ireland is still part of the free trade area and therefore can still use pet passports:

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Pet passports issued in the EU or in Northern Ireland (due to its particular Brexit arrangements) can still be used to enter the UK.
In short, bungling and/or exceptionalism leads to yet another example of Brexit having the complete opposite effect to the claimed intent.
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Old 30th December 2021, 02:41 AM   #2731
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
URGENT UPDATE FOR BRITISH RESIDENTS IN EU: Following a French Government decision, on 28/12/2021, unless they hold French residency, British citizens are now considered 3rd country citizens and can no longer transit France by road to reach their country of residence in the EU.

We're very sorry we're unable to answer individual questions regarding the new requirements. Please see the French embassy website if you have any questions:

https://uk.ambafrance.org/Conditions...erieux-Transit
Presumably they're allowed to transit France so long as they meet the requirements for entering France from a "third country" as opposed to being treated as an EU citizen.
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Old 30th December 2021, 02:54 AM   #2732
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Had to have a peek at the comic, DAILY EXPRESS expecting a chuckle at some Boy's Own style 'fury' and sure enough the headline is 'Macron's spitefulness'. All because the little man was put in his place by Brexit!

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Following Britain's departure from the EU, Mr Macron has launched a tirade of abuse towards the UK. This comes amid an ongoing dispute between France and Britain over fishing licences. In his latest attack on Britain, Mr Macron's Government announced a range of new rules on travel from the UK following a surge in the Omicron variant in Britain. It means France now only allows travel from the UK for what it deems "compelling reasons".
Bastard! After all the nice things we've said about him and our kind acts of sacrifice.
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Old 30th December 2021, 03:56 AM   #2733
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The complaint was that the EU forced all kinds of red tape on the UK but the truth is the complete opposite - it forces red tape on third countries.

Brexit meant opting into all the red tape that being in the EU freed us of.
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Old 30th December 2021, 04:18 AM   #2734
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Brexit meant opting into all the red tape that being in the EU freed us of.
Quite: I can still remember an edition of Evan Davies' The Bottom Line radio programme which looked at the possible outcomes of Brexit for business, in which a Leaver stated repeatedly that red tape would be reduced, but failed to provide a single example of how EU red tape restricted his business, while the Remainer explained very clearly how EU red tape actually made it easier for her business to trade into Europe.

And, lo, what has come to pass?

Just what Project Fear predicted...
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Old 30th December 2021, 09:23 AM   #2735
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Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King View Post
Quite: I can still remember an edition of Evan Davies' The Bottom Line radio programme which looked at the possible outcomes of Brexit for business, in which a Leaver stated repeatedly that red tape would be reduced, but failed to provide a single example of how EU red tape restricted his business, while the Remainer explained very clearly how EU red tape actually made it easier for her business to trade into Europe.

And, lo, what has come to pass?

Just what Project Fear predicted...
It's all because Remoaners didn't work hard enough to make Brexit a success.....
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Charlie Stross on Brexit.
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Old 31st December 2021, 01:19 PM   #2737
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Maybe one day our brexiteers will reappear and explain how none of this is happening and actually Brexit is a success.
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Whoopsie…….

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...-b1984912.html

….. UK food imports face disruption because ‘medieval’ government IT system not ready for red tape

Technology glitch means fruit and vegetable importers can’t submit required paperwork from 1 January – and government still hasn’t worked out how to fix the probl…..
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Maybe one day our brexiteers will reappear and explain how none of this is happening and actually Brexit is a success.
But...But...But...We can put crowns back on pint glasses!
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Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King View Post
But...But...But...We can put crowns back on pint glasses!

Don’t forget the blue passports!
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Next stage of Brexit disaster starts today.
Full customs declaration required on goods entering UK from EU and advance notice of consignments of fresh food, animals & plants.
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Next stage of Brexit disaster starts today.
Full customs declaration required on goods entering UK from EU and advance notice of consignments of fresh food, animals & plants.
Yeah, and we Bs are fond of a little parmesan, chorizo and other EU stuff now and then. So many Brexit triumphs!
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Yeah, and we Bs are fond of a little parmesan, chorizo and other EU stuff now and then. So many Brexit triumphs!
Have you considered moving to a more civilised country? If you can, of course.
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Old 1st January 2022, 12:20 PM   #2744
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Yeah, and we Bs are fond of a little parmesan, chorizo and other EU stuff now and then. So many Brexit triumphs!
One of the unintended consequences of Brexit is that British farming has collapsed and more of our everyday food is imported from the EU instead of being grown here in the UK.

It's not just "foreign" food that's going to be affected.
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The shelf space in my local Carrefour previously given over to a decent range of products from the UK has now been requisitioned by the Portuguese produce section.
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The shelf space in my local Carrefour previously given over to a decent range of products from the UK has now been requisitioned by the Portuguese produce section.
Just the kind of hostile actions you'd expect from EU scum.
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Just the kind of hostile actions you'd expect from EU scum.
Yeah. We've been cackling evilly since 2016 and the day we expelled the British from the EU.
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Next stage of Brexit disaster starts today.
Full customs declaration required on goods entering UK from EU and advance notice of consignments of fresh food, animals & plants.
<groan> I sent some equipment off to Germany for repair just before Christmas. Filling in the paperwork was a mighty ballache. Getting it back again, well the best I can hope is that we get the actual kit back even if we have to pay upfront for import duty and VAT we don't owe and argue about the error after. We used to get that all the damned time before being in the EU made it all easy. There was this French firm that absolutely never got the paperwork right and every time they mended something we ended up paying tax on it as if it was new again.

I appreciate this is a niche complaint but, ugh, it's a real pain in the arse.
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What's especially super is filling in a shipping form as best you can and asking for guidance on the parts where you simply don't understand what they're asking for, then getting the advice that, to paraphrase only very slightly, says "You see those bits you haven't filled in, yeah? You need to fill those in".
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b1980814.html

“Just one EU country signs deal to rescue post-Brexit music tours, despite Boris Johnson’s vow to ‘fix’ crisis“

Once again it seems like someone thought Johnson was considering anything beyond the day’s headlines.
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Well here we are three days into the New Year and I haven't heard any stories about customs chaos due to the changes in regulation brought in on 1 January.

Does this mean that there are no problems and despite the IT systems not being in place and working on time, customs personnel have ensured a smooth transition ?

Are there problems, but we just haven't heard about them - yet ?

Have volumes been low the last three days and we'll see issues over the next few days as they pick up ?
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<groan> I sent some equipment off to Germany for repair just before Christmas. Filling in the paperwork was a mighty ballache. Getting it back again, well the best I can hope is that we get the actual kit back even if we have to pay upfront for import duty and VAT we don't owe and argue about the error after. We used to get that all the damned time before being in the EU made it all easy. There was this French firm that absolutely never got the paperwork right and every time they mended something we ended up paying tax on it as if it was new again.

I appreciate this is a niche complaint but, ugh, it's a real pain in the arse.
Lots of niche complaints add up to a mainstream general problem
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The shelf space in my local Carrefour previously given over to a decent range of products from the UK has now been requisitioned by the Portuguese produce section.
Oooooo, the little cream cakes? Excellent.
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Oooooo, the little cream cakes? Excellent.
The best ones are from the Portuguese boulangerie in the next village to mine. I’ve had to change the route of my regular stroll to avoid passing in front of it because my willpower is weak in respect of those goodies.
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Lots of niche complaints add up to a mainstream general problem
I've described Brexit as death by a thousand cuts.
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Well here we are three days into the New Year and I haven't heard any stories about customs chaos due to the changes in regulation brought in on 1 January.

Does this mean that there are no problems and despite the IT systems not being in place and working on time, customs personnel have ensured a smooth transition ?

Are there problems, but we just haven't heard about them - yet ?

Have volumes been low the last three days and we'll see issues over the next few days as they pick up ?
The great and good are still on their holidays. Just need a journo from the DM to not be able to get their usual parmesan at Waitrose and the stories will start.
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Not sure if it's related to Brexit or the UK post in general, but my wife and me have a holiday tradition with a couple of British friends to trade candy around the end of the year

Our package to the UK arrived in 3 days. The package from the UK has been lost in the post for 2 months now.
Of course post Brexit the cost of said packages has doubled.
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Originally Posted by malbui View Post
The best ones are from the Portuguese boulangerie in the next village to mine. I’ve had to change the route of my regular stroll to avoid passing in front of it because my willpower is weak in respect of those goodies.
In my time in Basel there was a bakery with fans blowing the smell outside to the street.

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I've described Brexit as death by a thousand cuts.
"It's only a flesh wound".
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Old 4th January 2022, 05:10 AM   #2759
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To loop back to a story from a few months ago.....

The EU and the US came to agreement about steel tariffs but the UK, no longer being an EU member, was excluded from that deal and still face a 25% tariff.

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The EU has done a deal with the US, which took effect on 1 January, to allow companies to export steel to the US again without any tariffs.

The UK is yet to reach a similar agreement though it is hoping for more talks with America this month.

It means British companies still face a 25% tariff on exports to the US.

And the effect of the change is already being felt.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59857275

The UK may be hoping for talks, but what pressure can we bring to bear on the US to force them to deal ?

It may already be too late:

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"60% of the products we can make here we can also make in Spain," says James Brand, managing director of foundries at UCB. "And our customers don't want that extra 25% cost."

But if the UK manages to do a deal of its own with the US, will that production come back?

"Probably not,' he says. "It really depends on how early the deal is done."

Once US importers get used to consignments arriving from Spain, a new trade pattern will have been established and the way the tariffs have been set up means they can't be avoided if any part of a product originates in the UK.
Those Brexit wins just keep on coming
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Old 4th January 2022, 07:55 AM   #2760
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Originally Posted by The Don View Post
To loop back to a story from a few months ago.....

The EU and the US came to agreement about steel tariffs but the UK, no longer being an EU member, was excluded from that deal and still face a 25% tariff.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59857275

The UK may be hoping for talks, but what pressure can we bring to bear on the US to force them to deal ?

It may already be too late:



Those Brexit wins just keep on coming
Given Truss and the DUP's posturing over the NIP such a deal is unlikely. The Democratic Congressional caucus and Biden won't allow any such deal.
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