Continuation General UK politics [2]

[The Don]

Originally Posted by Vixen

Truth is, the UK doesn't want asylum seekers but cannot mouth the words, so claim a fear of spies and terrorists, instead.

I disagree. Time and again both in opinion polls and in their actions, the British public have shown great support for asylum seekers, especially the "good" kind (white, nominally Christian).

The problem is that the government is pandering to their "gammon" base who are vehemently anti asylum seeker but who are a comparatively small minority of the overall population.

[Vixen]

Originally Posted by The Don

I disagree. Time and again both in opinion polls and in their actions, the British public have shown great support for asylum seekers, especially the "good" kind (white, nominally Christian).

The problem is that the government is pandering to their "gammon" base who are vehemently anti asylum seeker but who are a comparatively small minority of the overall population.

When I said 'the UK doesn't want asylum seekers', I was referring to the government. It is the Tory government which is responsible for the rules.

Yvette Cooper, together with Caroline Lucas, has been campaigning hard for the refugees. Unfortunately, their parties are not in power. So one is stuck with Patel and Gove who as Gove says, 'Have had it up to here' with people knocking the Brits re welcoming refugees.. Gove lied and claimed the UK let in Jewish refugees in WWII, when in fact, it only let in children via the Kinder transport system.

[Mojo]

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

When asked in PMQs and at this afternoons Committee appearance he said he doesn't know how many are actually in the UK yet.

Either he didn't bother to find out or he no one can tell him.

I expect it’s something to do with taking control of our borders.

[Carrot Flower King]

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...ernity-scandal

Well, The Saj, can I introduce you to some folk who might be able to help? Andrew Lansley? Jeremy Hunt? Their junior ministerial teams? The folk in your party and the Lib Dems who voted through Lansley's 2012 bill? Anyone else who has been in your job since the 2010 election?

Who the **** do you think was responsible for hacking budgets around, reducing staffing levels, cutting training numbers for nurses and medics?

Really mate, just read the piece in The Graun by a midwife? Read any amount of nursey press and blogs (some even written by me) about how you ******** have screwed over the NHS since you've been in government in the last 12 years - I'll spare you the stuff about the lingering damage done by Thatcher and her cronies, but that is still relevant.

NB I am not pretending that all was roses and milk and honey at Telford, let alone Morecambe Bay, but seriously the politicians and commissioners (who always seem to escape criticism) need to take a bow here.

[The Don]

When I went to bed last night I noted that the UK government was planning to reverse its promise to ban so-called "conversion therapy".

Then I checked this morning and found that they had u-turned again and the ban is to go ahead.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60947028

Unfortunately, transgender people will still be subjected to conversion therapy.

[Carrot Flower King]

Originally Posted by The Don

When I went to bed last night I noted that the UK government was planning to reverse its promise to ban so-called "conversion therapy".

Then I checked this morning and found that they had u-turned again and the ban is to go ahead.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60947028

Unfortunately, transgender people will still be subjected to conversion therapy.

I can't make any sense of the reports, but the actual bill isn't out yet, so we shall see what is really in that.

[Darat]

Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...ernity-scandal

Well, The Saj, can I introduce you to some folk who might be able to help? Andrew Lansley? Jeremy Hunt? Their junior ministerial teams? The folk in your party and the Lib Dems who voted through Lansley's 2012 bill? Anyone else who has been in your job since the 2010 election?


..snip..

Labour of course - they mismanaged the world economy, the collapse of the USA sub-prime market was their fault, plus they bankrupted us with illegal wars, they'd have had us all confined to our homes during the pandemic and if they'd have been in power energy bills would have gone up even more.


I wish the above was sarcasm - but I have heard or read all of the above over the last week.

[P.J. Denyer]

Originally Posted by Darat

Labour of course - they mismanaged the world economy, the collapse of the USA sub-prime market was their fault, plus they bankrupted us with illegal wars, they'd have had us all confined to our homes during the pandemic and if they'd have been in power energy bills would have gone up even more.


I wish the above was sarcasm - but I have heard or read all of the above over the last week.

You pretty much quoted verbatum Johnson's answer to any question Starmer asks him at PMQs, irrespective of subject. You just need to throw in some alliteration and juvenile name calling.

[jimbob]

Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer

You pretty much quoted verbatum Johnson's answer to any question Starmer asks him at PMQs, irrespective of subject. You just need to throw in some alliteration and juvenile name calling.

Yup. "Captain hindsight" and "He wants to take us into the EU"

I thought parliamentary rules meant that MPs were supposed to refer to other MPs by their titles.

And it's not hindsight if you are criticising inaction after the event when you were calling for action before the event.

[Captain_Swoop]

"Under this Conservative government, We've seen the biggest reduction in taxes for a quarter of a century"

video in link

https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status...55596586172420

[The Don]

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

"Under this Conservative government, We've seen the biggest reduction in taxes for a quarter of a century"

video in link

https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status...55596586172420

I guess it's true if you only consider income tax and you include the tax cut that's been announced but which may never be implemented.

[Darat]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60967143

Conservative MP David Warburton has been suspended from the parliamentary party pending an investigation into allegations about his conduct.

Apparently “sex and drugs” - wonder which party that was?

[jimbob]

Originally Posted by Darat

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60967143

Conservative MP David Warburton has been suspended from the parliamentary party pending an investigation into allegations about his conduct.

Apparently “sex and drugs” - wonder which party that was?

Now that would be a nice twist.

[P.J. Denyer]

Zahawi wants school pupils to read racist language. I suppose it makes a kind of sense, it does mean they'll be able to read his boss's old newspaper columns.

http://countypress.co.uk/news/nation...-racial-slurs/

[Captain_Swoop]

Is it fair to assume that cocaine use is quite prevalent in Westminster?

[P.J. Denyer]

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Is it fair to assume that cocaine use is quite prevalent in Westminster?

Of course, you can't expect them to make it through the day with nothing but thirty subsidised bars to keep them going.

[The Don]

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Is it fair to assume that cocaine use is quite prevalent in Westminster?

How else is a man undergoing a midlife crisis supposed to lose six stone during lockdown ?

Quote:

An MP who was previously classed obese has described how he managed to lose six stone in less than a year.

David Warburton, Conservative MP for Somerton and Frome, said he "got a bit obsessed" using a home gym during the first coronavirus lockdown in March.

He is now a healthy weight after using a second hand treadmill and weights.

Mr Warburton has been praised by the Health Secretary Matt Hancock for his efforts.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-55786913

[Vixen]

Being praised by Matt Hancock is surely the kiss of death to anyone.

[Captain_Swoop]

Mogg on LBC this morning said Boris was given the "wrong information" over parties in Downing Street.
He said Boris had not deliberately misled MPs as he was told there hadn't been any. I wonder if that includes the ones he was at?

[Vixen]

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Mogg on LBC this morning said Boris was given the "wrong information" over parties in Downing Street.
He said Boris had not deliberately misled MPs as he was told there hadn't been any. I wonder if that includes the ones he was at?

Carrie lied to him?

[jimbob]

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Mogg on LBC this morning said Boris was given the "wrong information" over parties in Downing Street.
He said Boris had not deliberately misled MPs as he was told there hadn't been any. I wonder if that includes the ones he was at?

Cue release of emails from Johnson thanking* people for the invites to parties.


And excuses that he's not expected to read the emails that are sent out by him.

*well accepting invites if the booze is free and he's guest of honor.

[Captain_Swoop]

Government says Channel 4 will be sold by 2024

Dorries statement

Quote:

Channel 4 rightly holds a cherished place in British life and I want that to remain the case. I have come to the conclusion that government ownership is holding Channel 4 back from competing against streaming giants like Netflix and Amazon.
A change of ownership will give Channel 4 the tools and freedom to flourish and thrive as a public service broadcaster long into the future. I will set out the future plan for Channel 4 in a White Paper in due course.
I will seek to reinvest the proceeds of the sale into levelling up the creative sector, putting money into independent production and creative skills in priority parts of the country - delivering a creative dividend for all.

https://twitter.com/NadineDorries/st...76442980896769

[Captain_Swoop]

Why does she think it's Channel 4s job to compete with Netflix or Amazon?

How does she think they will be able to do that when their streaming service is free?

If they make it subscription are they still a 'public service broadcaster'?

[P.J. Denyer]

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Why does she think it's Channel 4s job to compete with Netflix or Amazon?

How does she think they will be able to do that when their streaming service is free?

If they make it subscription are they still a 'public service broadcaster'?

Considering she thinks it gets public money. It doesn't, it's self funding. That it's owned by "the Government" rather than the country & doesn't understand that as it's charter prevents it making it's own content it already supports independent production far more than if it's non-profit remit was replaced by dividend hungry shareholders, I think we can assume she's thick or lying. Sorry "and".

This is cultural vandalism, the revenge they promised when no-show Johnson was replaced with an ice sculpture before the election.

[The Don]

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Why does she think it's Channel 4s job to compete with Netflix or Amazon?

How does she think they will be able to do that when their streaming service is free?

If they make it subscription are they still a 'public service broadcaster'?

Assumes facts not in evidence

[Captain_Swoop]

Just when you think this bunch of idiotic, crooked self, serving narcissists have done everything they can to mess us all up, they latch onto the 21st C’s very own Ponzi scheme.

The Treasury says theChancellor has asked the Royal Mint to create an NFT to be "issued by the summer."

Apparently it "shows the the forward-looking approach we are determined to take towards cryptoassets in the UK."

[KDLarsen]

Impeccable timing, announcing it as future-proofing and forward-looking, on the same day an/the official F1 NFT game shuts down

[Captain_Swoop]

A lesson in how to hold back war refugees while giving the illusion of helping.
Announce you have issued 4000 visas but don’t tell anyone you are issuing to just one person in each family so no one travels.

Another hoop is being asked to prove they left Ukraine after Feb 24th otherwise they don't qualify for a visa as a refugee.


Despite what they say in public, it's obvious that Boris and his cronies don't want Ukrainian refugees in Britain, and hope making it so difficult they just won't come.

"We wanted to take 200,000, but...".

[Captain_Swoop]

Patel keeps on mentioning countries in Africa and elsewhere as being receptive to the idea of building UK migrants processing centres, only for the country to say no a few days later.
Today it's Rwanda.
Who knows what it will be next week...

[Jack by the hedge]

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Mogg on LBC this morning said Boris was given the "wrong information" over parties in Downing Street.

Indeed. "Tell 'em there weren't any parties. It'll be fine" was the wrong information.

[Mojo]

Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge

Indeed. "Tell 'em there weren't any parties. It'll be fine" was the wrong information.

“OK, how about calling them vigils?”

[Vixen]

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

A lesson in how to hold back war refugees while giving the illusion of helping.
Announce you have issued 4000 visas but don’t tell anyone you are issuing to just one person in each family so no one travels.

Another hoop is being asked to prove they left Ukraine after Feb 24th otherwise they don't qualify for a visa as a refugee.


Despite what they say in public, it's obvious that Boris and his cronies don't want Ukrainian refugees in Britain, and hope making it so difficult they just won't come.

"We wanted to take 200,000, but...".

Exactly. When people - small children - are obviously fleeing war and terror, you give them the benefit of a doubt and give them shelter and then sort out the paperwork later. Here in Finland, the Ukrainian kids started their new schools almost immediately as many of the Ukrainian mothers are trained school teachers. They have had to queue up for ID (to live in Finland you have to register an address) and there were stories of queues starting at 4:00am with the police registration centres shut at midday in freezing snow and ice and their having to do it all over again the next day. After a newspaper ran the story, they opened an adjacent building as a waiting room, brought in a ticketing system whereby you got a queue number so you could go way for an hour or so, plus hot drinks and even a barbeque, and brought in extra staff.

Compare and contrast the UK fiasco at Calais and Lille and the demand by officials for utility bills dated at least January 2022, when you've - hello? - literally just had to run down a road covered in rubble and potholes caused by tanks and artillery shells, with your kids and pet dog and cat, terrified that some sniper was going to shoot you at any moment, followed by an extremely stressful train journey with many changes and overcrowding.

[Captain_Swoop]

Originally Posted by Mojo

“OK, how about calling them vigils?”

They would get whacked by the police and arrested for that

[Vixen]

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Patel keeps on mentioning countries in Africa and elsewhere as being receptive to the idea of building UK migrants processing centres, only for the country to say no a few days later.
Today it's Rwanda.
Who knows what it will be next week...

It is impossible to decide which member of the cabinet is the most stupid. One day it's Johnson, next day it was Hancock, then dim Dom Raab, then Truss, then Shapps (or whatever he calls himself today), nope, here's Rees-Mogg coming up from behind... then along comes ...<fx commentator gets hysterical> we have Nadine Dorries on the outside in a last minute bid to snatch the title of Daftest Twit. Oh hello, here comes Patel at the final furlong neck and neck and by a nose, screaming, 'Hold my beer!!! I'm going to send all the migrants to Rwanda!'

[The Don]

As expected Boris Johnson is reactionary when it comes to transgender women in sport.

Quote:

UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson says he does not believe transgender women should compete in female sporting events

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/61012030

[jimbob]

Originally Posted by Vixen

It is impossible to decide which member of the cabinet is the most stupid. One day it's Johnson, next day it was Hancock, then dim Dom Raab, then Truss, then Shapps (or whatever he calls himself today), nope, here's Rees-Mogg coming up from behind... then along comes ...<fx commentator gets hysterical> we have Nadine Dorries on the outside in a last minute bid to snatch the title of Daftest Twit. Oh hello, here comes Patel at the final furlong neck and neck and by a nose, screaming, 'Hold my beer!!! I'm going to send all the migrants to Rwanda!'

Don't forget the one-man campaign against nominative determinism - "James (Member for Braintree) Cleverley"

[Lothian]

Originally Posted by The Don

As expected Boris Johnson is reactionary when it comes to transgender women in sport.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/61012030

Perhaps populist rather than reactionary. I agree with him on this issue but will perhaps find a better thread to say why.

[Filippo Lippi]

Originally Posted by Lothian

Perhaps populist rather than reactionary. I agree with him on this issue but will perhaps find a better thread to say why.

Agreed. He may be playing the populist card, but i believe the science agrees with his conclusion. Needs its own thread

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[Lothian]

Originally Posted by Filippo Lippi

Agreed. He may be playing the populist card, but i believe the science agrees with his conclusion. Needs its own thread

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Started one in sport

[Captain_Swoop]

George Galloway, who is the host of 'Sputnik' a show on Russia Today tv channel, has the show listed in his Twitter profile description.

He tweeted today

Quote:

George Galloway
@georgegalloway
Russia state-affiliated media

Dear @TwitterSupport I am not “Russian State Affiliated media”. I work for NO #Russian media. I have 400,000 followers. I’m the leader of a British political party and spent nearly 30 years in the British parliament. If you do not remove this designation I will take legal action.

There is also a big ad on the RY website for Galloway and his show on Saturday nights.

ETA
he has since deleted the @rt-sputnik tag from twitter but the ad is still on his Facebook page.