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Old 20th May 2022, 10:47 AM   #1
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Your favored immigration policy

I'm not especially interested in debate, I'm just curious what various members would do regarding immigration to their country if they could. Or some platonic ideal of a country that exists in the Marvel universe only.

The two extremes that almost nobody actually supports are closed borders, nobody gets in, open borders and we don't even ask you your name when you get here.

I figure I might start a poll after a few answers.

As for me, I don't really know. Not either extreme. Probably more open than now but with better record keeping.
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Old 20th May 2022, 11:08 AM   #2
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If you are at all interested in a Global Economy, Work Migration needs to be exactly as permissible as the flow of goods and money.
Otherwise, you create unsustainable inequalities.

So if you let countries regulate their own flow of money and goods, it's okay to regulate the immigration you get from them.

but if you go the WTO route and insist on "free trade", you better have also free migration, or you are just a hypocrite.
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Old 20th May 2022, 12:18 PM   #3
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Open borders.
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Old 20th May 2022, 12:20 PM   #4
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
If you are at all interested in a Global Economy, Work Migration needs to be exactly as permissible as the flow of goods and money.
Otherwise, you create unsustainable inequalities.

So if you let countries regulate their own flow of money and goods, it's okay to regulate the immigration you get from them.

but if you go the WTO route and insist on "free trade", you better have also free migration, or you are just a hypocrite.
Only if you're objectifying your labor force, instead of recognizing them as human beings with feelings and opinions and cultural values of their own.
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Old 20th May 2022, 12:39 PM   #5
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Only if you're objectifying your labor force, instead of recognizing them as human beings with feelings and opinions and cultural values of their own.
That has nothing to do with free movement of labor.
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Old 20th May 2022, 12:55 PM   #6
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
That has nothing to do with free movement of labor.
Sure it does, because unlike other commodities, labor is people.
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Open borders.
The one and only time I will agree with Bob
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Refugees get priority over everyone else.
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**** it. Open the borders and give 'em a Social Security number.
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
If you are at all interested in a Global Economy, Work Migration needs to be exactly as permissible as the flow of goods and money.
Otherwise, you create unsustainable inequalities.

So if you let countries regulate their own flow of money and goods, it's okay to regulate the immigration you get from them.

but if you go the WTO route and insist on "free trade", you better have also free migration, or you are just a hypocrite.
This is pretty much how I feel about it, at least economically. Some regulation with a fluid rather than open border.

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Only if you're objectifying your labor force, instead of recognizing them as human beings with feelings and opinions and cultural values of their own.
The labor force would have more choice as human beings than a closed border. They could make a decision on where to work based on feelings, opinions and cultural values.
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Sure it does, because unlike other commodities, labor is people.
I grant you that movement of labor is less flexible than goods or money.
But that only means that you have to restrict the flow of goods and money and facilitate the flow of labor to make sure that we don't build inequality into our system of trade.
But the exact opposite is the case.
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