Your favored immigration policy

ahhell · 20th May 2022, 10:47 AM

I'm not especially interested in debate, I'm just curious what various members would do regarding immigration to their country if they could. Or some platonic ideal of a country that exists in the Marvel universe only.

The two extremes that almost nobody actually supports are closed borders, nobody gets in, open borders and we don't even ask you your name when you get here.

I figure I might start a poll after a few answers.

As for me, I don't really know. Not either extreme. Probably more open than now but with better record keeping.

The Great Zaganza · 20th May 2022, 11:08 AM

If you are at all interested in a Global Economy, Work Migration needs to be exactly as permissible as the flow of goods and money.
Otherwise, you create unsustainable inequalities.

So if you let countries regulate their own flow of money and goods, it's okay to regulate the immigration you get from them.

but if you go the WTO route and insist on "free trade", you better have also free migration, or you are just a hypocrite.

BobTheCoward · 20th May 2022, 12:18 PM

Open borders.

theprestige · 20th May 2022, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

If you are at all interested in a Global Economy, Work Migration needs to be exactly as permissible as the flow of goods and money.
Otherwise, you create unsustainable inequalities.

So if you let countries regulate their own flow of money and goods, it's okay to regulate the immigration you get from them.

but if you go the WTO route and insist on "free trade", you better have also free migration, or you are just a hypocrite.

Only if you're objectifying your labor force, instead of recognizing them as human beings with feelings and opinions and cultural values of their own.

The Great Zaganza · 20th May 2022, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by theprestige

Only if you're objectifying your labor force, instead of recognizing them as human beings with feelings and opinions and cultural values of their own.

That has nothing to do with free movement of labor.

theprestige · 20th May 2022, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

That has nothing to do with free movement of labor.

Sure it does, because unlike other commodities, labor is people.

The Don · 20th May 2022, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by BobTheCoward

Open borders.

The one and only time I will agree with Bob

Venom · 20th May 2022, 01:19 PM

Refugees get priority over everyone else.

Galaxie · 20th May 2022, 02:43 PM

**** it. Open the borders and give 'em a Social Security number.

gabeygoat · 20th May 2022, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

If you are at all interested in a Global Economy, Work Migration needs to be exactly as permissible as the flow of goods and money.
Otherwise, you create unsustainable inequalities.

So if you let countries regulate their own flow of money and goods, it's okay to regulate the immigration you get from them.

but if you go the WTO route and insist on "free trade", you better have also free migration, or you are just a hypocrite.

This is pretty much how I feel about it, at least economically. Some regulation with a fluid rather than open border.

Originally Posted by theprestige

Only if you're objectifying your labor force, instead of recognizing them as human beings with feelings and opinions and cultural values of their own.

The labor force would have more choice as human beings than a closed border. They could make a decision on where to work based on feelings, opinions and cultural values.

The Great Zaganza · 20th May 2022, 09:40 PM

Originally Posted by theprestige

Sure it does, because unlike other commodities, labor is people.

I grant you that movement of labor is less flexible than goods or money.
But that only means that you have to restrict the flow of goods and money and facilitate the flow of labor to make sure that we don't build inequality into our system of trade.
But the exact opposite is the case.

20th May 2022, 10:47 AM	#1
ahhell Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 4,445	Your favored immigration policy I'm not especially interested in debate, I'm just curious what various members would do regarding immigration to their country if they could. Or some platonic ideal of a country that exists in the Marvel universe only. The two extremes that almost nobody actually supports are closed borders, nobody gets in, open borders and we don't even ask you your name when you get here. I figure I might start a poll after a few answers. As for me, I don't really know. Not either extreme. Probably more open than now but with better record keeping.
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20th May 2022, 11:08 AM	#2
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 18,043	If you are at all interested in a Global Economy, Work Migration needs to be exactly as permissible as the flow of goods and money. Otherwise, you create unsustainable inequalities. So if you let countries regulate their own flow of money and goods, it's okay to regulate the immigration you get from them. but if you go the WTO route and insist on "free trade", you better have also free migration, or you are just a hypocrite.
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20th May 2022, 12:18 PM	#3
BobTheCoward Suspended Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 22,266	Open borders.
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20th May 2022, 12:20 PM	#4
theprestige Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The Antimemetics Division Posts: 59,419	Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza If you are at all interested in a Global Economy, Work Migration needs to be exactly as permissible as the flow of goods and money. Otherwise, you create unsustainable inequalities. So if you let countries regulate their own flow of money and goods, it's okay to regulate the immigration you get from them. but if you go the WTO route and insist on "free trade", you better have also free migration, or you are just a hypocrite. Only if you're objectifying your labor force, instead of recognizing them as human beings with feelings and opinions and cultural values of their own.
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20th May 2022, 12:39 PM	#5
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 18,043	Originally Posted by theprestige Only if you're objectifying your labor force, instead of recognizing them as human beings with feelings and opinions and cultural values of their own. That has nothing to do with free movement of labor.
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20th May 2022, 12:55 PM	#6
theprestige Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The Antimemetics Division Posts: 59,419	Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza That has nothing to do with free movement of labor. Sure it does, because unlike other commodities, labor is people.
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20th May 2022, 01:10 PM	#7
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 34,416	Originally Posted by BobTheCoward Open borders. The one and only time I will agree with Bob

20th May 2022, 01:19 PM	#8
Venom Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: United States Posts: 5,842	Refugees get priority over everyone else.

20th May 2022, 02:43 PM	#9
Galaxie Graduate Poster Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 1,121	**** it. Open the borders and give 'em a Social Security number.

20th May 2022, 02:56 PM	#10
gabeygoat Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Hard Corvallis Oregon Posts: 1,560	Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza If you are at all interested in a Global Economy, Work Migration needs to be exactly as permissible as the flow of goods and money. Otherwise, you create unsustainable inequalities. So if you let countries regulate their own flow of money and goods, it's okay to regulate the immigration you get from them. but if you go the WTO route and insist on "free trade", you better have also free migration, or you are just a hypocrite. This is pretty much how I feel about it, at least economically. Some regulation with a fluid rather than open border. Originally Posted by theprestige Only if you're objectifying your labor force, instead of recognizing them as human beings with feelings and opinions and cultural values of their own. The labor force would have more choice as human beings than a closed border. They could make a decision on where to work based on feelings, opinions and cultural values.
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20th May 2022, 09:40 PM	#11
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 18,043	Originally Posted by theprestige Sure it does, because unlike other commodities, labor is people. I grant you that movement of labor is less flexible than goods or money. But that only means that you have to restrict the flow of goods and money and facilitate the flow of labor to make sure that we don't build inequality into our system of trade. But the exact opposite is the case.
	__________________ "When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realised that the Lord doesn't work that way so I stole one and asked Him to forgive me." - Emo Philips