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16th May 2011, 10:29 AM | #161 |
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"This timeless exploration of the work of the great physicists of the early 20th century employs analogies, examples, and imaginative insights rather than computations to explain the dramatic impact of quantum physics on classical theory. Topics include Pauli's exclusion principle, Schroedinger's wave equation, Heisenberg's uncertainty principle, and many other concepts. 1959 edition." All of these things were still developed and eventually tested via the scientific method. More to the point they were developed to solve problems in the field of physics. Blaming vaccines on austism is more along the lines of the thinking that gave us 'ether' for so many years. Only nowhere near as good. |
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Kinda. The point was, that even though a theory seemed completely logical, the next theory disproved it completely and logically. Again and again. And that's without an obvious profit motive. http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/vaccin...pecial-masters Blaming autism on vaccines is more along the lines of the thinking that gave us 'ether' for so many years. Blaming vaccines for austism is more along the lines of the thinking that gave us 'ether' for so many years. |
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Incorrect. In all cases there was a large an obvious gap or flaw in the present theory that required new ideas and theories to fill the gaps. In you case you already have theories that more than explain the issue and fit the data as well.
And again, you've already had the profit issue explained to you. So stop barking 'profit' with regards to childhood vaccines. The profits just are not there compared to other kinds of medication.
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If you're against big pharma you are essentially against modern medicine. What type of medicine do you approve of Clayton?
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You're the one who would put children at risk by allowing them 22 shots before the age of 2!!!
Do you think that that 22 shot sequence was ever studied? What child would encounter those 22 diseases before the age of 2? Or a lifetime? How many of those diseases are life threatening?
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Political influence in the U.S.
[quote]The top twenty pharmaceutical companies and their two trade groups, Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA) and Biotechnology Industry Organization, lobbied on at least 1,600 pieces of legislation between 1998 and 2004. According to the non-partisan Center for Responsive Politics, pharmaceutical companies spent $900 million on lobbying between 1998 and 2005, more than any other industry. During the same period, they donated $89.9 million to federal candidates and political parties, giving approximately three times as much to Republicans as to Democrats.[1] According to the Center for Public Integrity, from January 2005 through June 2006 alone, the pharmaceutical industry spent approximately $182 million on Federal lobbying.[2] The industry has 1,274 registered lobbyists in Washington D.C. [3] ...
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If we declare every industry that spends money on lobbying to be "evil" pretty much everything will be "evil."
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Okay......so lobbying = evil?
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Using anti-vaxxer standard data analysis methods, I have come to the following conclusion:
Autism rates increased after the removal of thimiserol from children's vaccines, therefore thimiserol must prevent autism in vaccinated children. |
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So you've switched your stance from 'vaccines are evil because they cause autism' to 'vaccines are evil because a company wants to make a profit.'
While living in the idealist universe you've concocted in your head would be wonderful, we live in a capitalist society. Almost every company is motivated by profit. This is not enough reason to dismiss a product, especially one that makes essentially nothing when compared to major medications like say...Viagra. I don't even think it's possible to run a pharmaceutical company without seeking to make profits, how else are you going to fund research and development costs?
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I'm in Britain, where decisions on healthcare provision are made by NICE, a body set up to provide cost-effectiveness in the NHS; in other words, to minimise the cost of healthcare, an aim diametrically opposed to the maximising of profit to pharmaceutical companies. And yet NICE backs MMR vaccination. It's almost as if it had nothing to do with the profits of pharmaceutical companies, and was only a matter of what's the most effective way of maximising the health of the population. But that can't really be true, can it?
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Try and focus. The reason there over a thousand lobbyists isn't because isn't because their widgit is better than the other widgit. They are telling the government what should be mandatory. They are convincing the FDA that the drugs and vaccines they sell are safe. They even convinced the government to set up a court that was/is the only place persons can take legal action against vaccine makers.
4 or 5 times a day I see law firms virtually ambulance chase on TV asking for perspective victims of specific drugs that, of course, have been approved by the FDA per documentation from big pharma. I live in a small town and I can walk, less than a mile to THREE CVS drug marts and a Rite Aid. Stretch it to two miles and 2 Wallgreens and 2 or 3 others kick in. Quote: The top twenty pharmaceutical companies and their two trade groups, Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA) and Biotechnology Industry Organization, lobbied on at least 1,600 pieces of legislation between 1998 and 2004. According to the non-partisan Center for Responsive Politics, pharmaceutical companies spent $900 million on lobbying between 1998 and 2005, more than any other industry. During the same period, they donated $89.9 million to federal candidates and political parties, giving approximately three times as much to Republicans as to Democrats.[1] According to the Center for Public Integrity, from January 2005 through June 2006 alone, the pharmaceutical industry spent approximately $182 million on Federal lobbying.[2] The industry has 1,274 registered lobbyists in Washington D.C. [3] ...
Realizing of course that the Democrats get money, just not as much. They still owe Big Pharma. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharmaceutical_lobby |
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Given the fact that every human being has a slightly different physiology, it's not surprising that some people have an adverse reaction to any given drug. Add to that the willingness to sue based on post hoc, propter ergo hoc reasoning in an extremely litigious society, and the lawsuits need no explanation.
There are risks to taking perscription medication. In general, the risk isn't quite as high as in crossing the street, but it is slightly more than in drinking a glass of water. It's in the best interests of lawyers and the media to exaggerate these risks. |
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And yet vaccines are not mandatory.
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So you tell me to focus, then talk about 3 different topics?
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If the FDA is really in their pocket then why does the FDA refuse to license so many of the expensive drugs they produce?
You do realize that one of the reasons that prescriptions cost a lot of money is because the companies have to try and recoup all the money they spend on drugs the FDA refuses to approve. |
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Seems reasonable to me, since most schools would want to reduce any potential risk of bringing together hundreds, if not thousands, of children together in a relatively small space.
The alternative is homeschooling, which as I understand it, is still a perfectly viable and legal alternative in the US. |
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