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3rd June 2011, 11:37 AM | #401 |
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Do Mandatory Vaccinations Achieve Higher Rates of Immunization?
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You are reversing the argument. I asked you for proof and you turn it around to ask me. Why don't we forget this two step dance and agree to disagree. My initial gripe was the mandated vaccine. Emphasis on mandated. This does not bother you and it bothers me. You enjoy being told what to do, I prefer to make my own decision. Ironically, just yesterday I received tetanus and pneumonia shots... as preventive measures.
Grow up and who is talking about a conspiracy? Your name calling was so grown up the forum decided it was too advanced for posting... |
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Vaccines are far from always safe.
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And just so you understand: The reference that your link refers to goes to an article that is quoting a wingnut job who is screaming about 'data'. However, he is wrong: http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/...ety-revisited/
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3rd June 2011, 01:26 PM | #410 |
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You didn't answer the question. Are all other countries in on the conspiracy?
And for anyone interested, here is a link to a .pdf of Japan's "voluntary" vaccine policy. In short all Japanese children must receive the polio, DaTP/DT, measles, rubella, encephalitis, and BCG tuberculosis vaccines (not required in the US), and polio, DaTP, BCG all given in the first year. http://idsc.nih.go.jp/yosoku/vacpdf/EN_05-1.pdf |
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I gave you proof. You rejected it, stating that the exemptions didn't exist at the time. Burden of proof for your assertion is on you, not me. That's how this works.
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I'm confused by this: (1) Why do you think it is appropriate for children to be locked up at home rather than be part of the world outside? They shouldn't go to a zoo, or a museum, or the park, or their friend's house? What of their older siblings- should they not go to school lest they bring back a disease into the house? Their fathers and moms shouldn't go to work for the same reason? Oh, I forgot, you aren't open to their mom's working- you don't even think they should leave the house… (2) Hidden at home, how will a child ever become immune to the diseases you are protecting them against? You realize that when they finally exit their jails into the greater world, these diseases will still be waiting for them?
Please read how the immune system really works from a textbook, not from an anti-vaccination website. Vaccination is in fact one of the most "natural" ways modern medicine has to fight disease. It's not poison! It's not putting a disease in someone. Instead, it's the only form of homeopathy that actually works: a little bit of exposure now protects you from disease and death later! You suggest that parents should gamble, as people did for 100,000s of years, and hope that when their child first encounters a disease, they will survive it, so that they will be immune later. Unfortunately the odds aren't very good- historically so many children died in their first 12 months that many cultures didn't bother to name their babies until their first birthday. Or you can vaccinate your children using non-infectious pieces of pathogens, or enfeebled strains, and protect them at a fraction of the risk of them catching the disease. I'm no fan of "Big Pharm" when it comes to many of their profit generating policies. But what angers me more is how a group of anti-vaccination fanatics have attempted to re-write history and the facts in an effort to negate one of the greatest medical successes in history. One by one the sound bites are learned from the ant-vax literature and mindlessly repeated: "Measles, mumps, chickenpox never hurt children; they're no worst than the sniffles." "We live longer only because of improved hygiene, not because of vaccination." "Do you want to be injected with MERCURY and dead human cells?" "I'm okay with a few vaccinations, but how can you deny that these is much more autism since we began all these vaccinations?" All lies, or intentional distortions of the truth. |
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I still do not understand. Women leave the house. They go shopping, they visit friends, they walk their dog, they go to appointments. Even if they don't have a job (you seem to be opposed to the idea of women, or at least mothers, working, correct me if I'm wrong), they're still exposed to . Not to mention that the working father of the household is just as likely to catch these germs as is the mother. Females don't have some sort of inherent immune system deficiency that makes them more succeptible to infection.
Either way, you're shooting yourself in the foot here. If not vaccinating means the family has to take steps to stay at home as much as possible, then that's an argument in favour of vaccination, not against. |
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Your original argument was that pregnant mothers should stay home to avoid being exposed to rubella. But then, don't their other children have to stay home too, to avoid bringing rubella back into the house? And their husbands? And siblings and friends?
I thought that you recognized this, because you later stated, "I would rather if at all possible you remain home with your children as long as possible. Your children deserve you not some undereducated $6 an hour child care worker. Let alone every airborne germ in town." |
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You are trying to dodge the point that you want other people to lock themselves away so they are safe from germs you will be spreading because of your anti-vaccination stance.
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Be well. CYA Thursday.
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Quite.
And I suspect there is no attempt to show otherwise since the New Jersey Administrative Code (NJ being where ladmo said the problem lay) has had compulsory vaccinations for school admission since 1975, and the medical exemptions part (8:57-4.3) has been a part of that from the start. You can even dig it out from here (Michie's legal resources). Hopefully the link works. There's a chapter notes section that gives the history of Ch 57. |
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